2-player battle

[Ev0]

Well, can we not get a GTPlanet staff to ask this question officially and get us a concrete answer. Maybe we can make a petition.

Can someone sticky this please? 👍

I second this.

You actually think Sony or PD look at this site? Get a grip. If they did Online would be in the game.

If Sony and PD are smart, they should be viewing these forums, seeing how this is the largest english speaking GT community on the internet. Otherwise, they are shooting themselves in the foot by not staying in touch with the community (AKA their customers).

 

[smoov280zx]

Well, i have no clout at all, but i just sent SCEA an email asking the question and telling them I would post the reply on this forum(which i pointed out was the biggest) and the IGN board. I'm not holding my breath though. I'm sure it would take a phone call from someone connected to get any response.

 

[Gabkicks]

This should all stop now.

No more flames, no more violations of the AUP or no more posting period.

UK Cobra, consider this a warning.
Posts such as your own are not acceptable and violate the Acceptable Use Policy on several levels.

If you do not stop posting in this manner you will be on the recieving end of much more severe moderator action.

Kent's trigger finger is getting itchy, u guys betta recognize

 

[pocarisky]

Say hello to everyone here. My name is Sky and a GT4 fans from Hong Kong.

Plese accept my poor English and read on.

Thats a pain experiense for me and my friend to play GT4 with such stupid design.

Conform 1. Yes. No garage car can be use for battle.
Conform 2. It do have reply on 2 Player mode.
BUT. Replay will show in 2 screen, instead of one screen as before.............
AND. You cannot save the replay............

Hope the informations help.

ps1. I am using Hong Kong Chinese Version (original)
ps2. Thats a Chinese forum from Taiwan call "www.gamer.com.tw" having a wide discssion on GT4. Believe or not......lots of bugs on Japanese and Chinese version(mostly on Chinese version).....Thats too long to type it all, I will only give some example.

Small bugs
For example : At GT resort, Thats 2 location call "OLD CAR Early 90's" & "OLD CAR Late 90's".............They reverse the name.~!
Example 2.(only happen in HK version) : Instead of showing the car history of every time you select a car at car shop, they simply delete it in HK version.
No idea will it happen in US or UK version.

Big bugs
For example : After you play a long Champagne " F1 CHALLENGE" and finish the last match..........After reward show up...it could only display "-"....Then system hang~!.

 

[a6m5]

Kent's trigger finger is getting itchy, u guys betta recognize

From what I've seen, Kent is an excellent moderator. Always courteous, puts a lot of effort in what he does. Keep up the good work!

 

[a6m5]

Big bugs
For example : After you play a long Champagne " F1 CHALLENGE" and finish the last match..........After reward show up...it could only display "-"....Then system hang~!.

Does that mean it freezes?

P.S. It's nice to have you here Sky! Thanks for the info.

 

[Smoke_U_24/7]

Wow, those are alot of bugs. Thanks for that information, Pocarisky. Welcome to the GTPlanet forums. Your info will be greatly appreciated here.That's probably why GT4 was delayed everywhere else.

EDIT: Cobra_UK totally rocks. I agree with him on all levels.

 

[SlipZtrEm]

So just as GT4 followed GT2 by having a huge jump in the amount of cars, it also gets an increase in bugs, just like it too. Hurrah.

Personally, I'm pretty disappointed with the lack of garage cars in two player, but OTOH, I don't have a lot of friends who play it as anything more than a casual thing. So usually, I'd just let them pick a car from the normal Arcade classes and I'd pick a car to give us fairly decent matchup (say, a Silvia for me and an NSX S Zero for the friend). They'd have the option of using one of my garage cars; but usually they found them more of a handful with the lack of aids. This doesn't look good for GTParties, though...

(EDIT)

If Sony and PD are smart, they should be viewing these forums, seeing how this is the largest english speaking GT community on the internet. Otherwise, they are shooting themselves in the foot by not staying in touch with the community (AKA their customers).

I'd agree with you, but how often have the English-speaking parts of the world been shafted by PD when it comes to products (specifically us North America people)? It's happened time and time again. Since we don't seem to be considered for any of the products, I don't think it's too out there to suppose they also don't much care for what we want in relation to their home market.

 

[pocarisky]

 

[pocarisky]

Hang = Freeze. = Need to reboot .
Some solution had come up for such problem happen.
Before you start the last F1 match, exit and save. After you re-enter the last match 90% the match can go on and finish with no error.~!

Everone is shouting in Taiwan and HK, hope a new version would available for free replace.~!. News will be update. ~!

 

[Cobra_UK]

So deffinetly no garage cars in 2 player... So depressed now.

You know sometimes I wish that GT series was on a platfor like PC or XBOX Live. That Way they could at least patch it. Or maybe someone would make a MOD for enabling garage cars in 2 player.

By the way I've read the forums last night and there are a lot of worring reports stating that GT4 has a much shorter lifespan than previous GT games.

 

[Cobra_UK]

Is something wrong with this thread? Every time I try to post it never comes up.

 

[Cobra_UK]

hmm this is acting funny, sorry unintended double post... lol No, triple post.

 

[Gabkicks]

Maybe PD is trying to cause some type of civil unrest among asia. They will blame GT4's bugs on the government, the people will revolt, and we will see a new president.. president Yamauchi. The bugged release of gt4 has been the final straw, the people of china are revolting, Siding with Yamauchi in his conquest for more land.

 

[Ev0]

Something really fishy is happening at PD. First they drop the ball on 2 player mode, and don't include garage battle, a massive, massive mistake that will probably make me pass up GT4. And now the game is buggy as hell? This isn't like PD, seeing how they tend to be perfectionists.

 

[Gabkicks]

money changes people

 

[AdrenalineSRX]

Garage battles and saveable 2 player replays are not very big expectaitons. Especially considering how they have been in GT since the beginning. If garage battles are not included for LAN or 2 player battles in the North American version, I'm certainly not picking up the game. Simple as that.

Haha, I'm sure, you won't pick it up.....

 

[AdrenalineSRX]

z06camaro you are an idiot, not much more to say there, the whole community is gutted at the the Memory Card Battle being omited from GT4, but of course you know better, you get your head out your ass.

Div is back I am being rational, here is the deal, the world is heading more and more towards multiplayer rather than single player. Now, in 2 player or LAN a stock car race can only work for so long while the option to tune those vehicles is where it's at. What I want is to have my own car color, alloy wheels, spoiler and specific race tune and parts and MY CAR to race against my friend, not the standard stock version. As a result the only time I can race my near-perfection tuned car is against AI not humans. LAME!

Point is for me video games today are more about interaction with other people, as in online, LAN or 2 player. NOT BY ONE SELF, that's just old and boring.

Now for KY, PD and SONY to miss this option out when it would have not taken any time at all to include, since the code was already in GT1, GT2, GT3, it's just plain nasty. Such a move it is not an accident nor was it impossible to implement. IS IT INTENTIONATE? WHY? I can't for the life of me understand.

As for online mode, consider this. If in real life someone told you they are building a really cool car and all it's previous versions had this really cool alloy wheels and they also promised you an amasing stereo to go with the car for $10K. Then when the car is on sale you find out it has no alloy wheels, just steel ones, and the stereo is missing. Would you not be like **** T***! Put them on, then I might buy it, or at least drop the price of the car...

I don't really think anybody is an idiot but if you keep making these stupid posts you are..

Blah, blah, blah, I can't have a tuned car in 2player oh no *girly voice*

Just chill out all of you who are moaning, can't see see the good? You must be blind?

 

[AdrenalineSRX]

People must remember that this is the japanese version of the game and that in japan multiplayer gaming hasn't caught on as much as it has in the rest of the world, so no multiplayer for them isnt a big deal. Also you never know the delays might bring us multiplayer . Also if you refuse to get the game because a few things are missing you deffinatly havn't played the game yet cus its amazing and you'll be missing out.

Mhhmmm, you never know..

Do you really think it would take PD 2 months to translate it to US? 💡

 

[zefff]

The thing is, everything is done for a reason. Thats what designers do, they design things!

What reasons would the designers at PD have for losing garage battles? In what way could this ommission benefit gameplay?

Why have they made this change? Ive heard reasons such as the restrictions being implemented to eradicate unfair online play - but we dont have online play in the product! They could have easily reinstated the garage battles, Im sure the testers, the duplicators, the distributors, the MD, CEO, the shareholders and the public could have waited a week or so longer. They missed Xmas anyway!

Another viable theory is the 'cash cow' conspiracy of holding back on gameplay modes and additions for GT4.1 or GT5 so as to make them 'must haves'. Is there any other reason anyone can think of because I really hope there is a justifiable excuse beyond the cutting of corners or skimming of the fat.

 

[Cobra_UK]

Money changes people.

Aint that the truth.

Well I suppose that the job and grandeur of it all went to their head. To be honest KY vision for GT4 was just pure gold. A 700+ cars, 50+ courses, simulated damage (not visual), LAN, online, fully fledged 2 player mode, 3D spectators/pit crew/drivers and visually incredible driving simulator was a bit ambitious. Thing is since it's their 4th in the series and they've had such a long time in development I really believed in them. Not any more though. I guess somewhere along the way the spent too much money in development, and did to much play and not enough work and god knows what else.

All is not lost though, maybe the PS3 GT5 will finally deliver or the PS2 GT4 European release will have the full 2 player features and will have the bugs sorted. I think I'm being very optimistic considering their latest track record. But to be honest I've lost faith for now.

 

[[SS]Ares]

The thing is, everything is done for a reason. Thats what designers do, they design things!

What reasons would the designers at PD have for losing garage battles? In what way could this ommission benefit gameplay?

To get people who arent even playing online to buy the Online/Multiplayer GT4 comming out later this year?

 

[Cobra_UK]

To get people who arent even playing online to buy the Online/Multiplayer GT4 comming out later this year?

You know that's probably true... Then again I may buy that if it's just like GT4 but with online and full 2 player features plus all the bugs sorted and the phyisics toned down to fix those stupid, unrealistic, car jumps. Thing is I'd feel stupid if I buy both GT4 and GT4 Online and play into their hands. Ah well another wait...

 

[Cobra_UK]

I see slowdowns on many places in the game. Firstly - and most noticeably - are the slowdowns on high-resolution FMV sequences of tracks, on "choose-the-track" menu in Arcade mode. What was so far non-glitch smooth ride, now it's an "drop-a-frame-to-kill-the-bird" thing. Very disappointing.

Secondly, there are lots of slowdowns on the tracks during drive. Notice that when I say "lots" it does not mean "dozens per track". It just means that there was NEVER ANY slowdowns in GT games EVER, and that famous glitch on Midfield in GT Concept was not an excuse, but just a dark-messenger of things to come. Glitches are often just on one place on the specific track, and manifested as classical frame-drops, and they last no longer then second, but they appear from time to time on lots of tracks. The biggest I saw so far is on Laguna Seca, just after the Corkscrew section, when you heading towards the last two corners.

Another graphical glitch is appearing even more often, particularly on the beginnings of the races with running-start, or in short-films after the races (first one is noticeable in the replays too) - it is manifested trough losing some of the horizontal lines in view, resulting in very jagged picture. It lasts for second or two, and the disappears, like the picture stabilises itself.

Both glitches could be result of incorporating high-definition views in graphic code, but I find them as bad thing for the most sophisticated GT game so far. Although, I tend to be very realistic and take into concern the limitations of PS2, together with all the details that GT4 is bringing - those glitches do not compromise gameplay in any way, but is just unusual and unpleasant (and that is the right word) to see them in GT game.

And one more thing about the tracks - since this thread is about tracks - I'm very disappointed with "reverse" tracks, since some of my favourites such as Grand Valley Reverse has lost that beautiful "afternoon" setting. I've tried all the "original" tracks I have unlocked, and all of them have the same lighting setting on both versions. I do not like that at all.

All tracks on demos I've played (all GT4 demos so far) were lot smoother on demos. Even the Nurb, which amazed me. Nurb on demo didn't have any glitches. In GT4 it does, just after the first section of corners. Small one, but noticeable. Which is the shame for the game.

I read this and could not believe it. So strange...

 

[Shen Yin]

Everyone, please take a look at this thread and react accordingly. We really need this.

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/showthread.php?p=1391672#post1391672

 

[zefff]

I think the series has probably suffered from to much marketing, PR and hype and not enough simple bread and butter grafting.

PD should know what is achievable before they even begin to announce anything. It really all does point towards the 'cash cow' theory doesnt it? How sad.

This GT4 online version. How real does it seem? What about this 'for boys' version? Are these all due to come out this year?

Surely they cant release a GT4.1 with no other changes besides online mode, garage battle and bugs fixed? Even with a few more cars added it does not equal another £40 investment!

 

[Cobra_UK]

Yes Shen Yin, that's what we need. And we need to make some kind of petition where all the people that want part of such letter sign it and then send it to Sony/PD. Good idea mate.

 

[Cobra_UK]

Dear Sony/Polyphony Digital
(Upon reading this if needed please forward to it’s correct destination please.)

Allow me to express my extreme dissatisfaction at the problems with GT4. I very upset that the 2 player/LAN garage cars being left out from GT4. In this one single move you’ve killed the wonderful long-term playability that the previous GT games had. Even worse, the replays that were the best, the multiplayer ones, are not saveable now.

There have also been numerous reports of bugs, unstable frame rates (which were not even evident in the playable demos released so far) and glitches.

I also do not understand why, the damage was not included, not visual, but at least simulated with an icon system. With different car sections and colours (similar to the tyre wear in previous GT games) an icon system could represent the level of damage. Would have been a fantastic idea bringing more scope and depth to the game. Instead of the penalty system which has not really done much in that aspect.

A lot of people also wanted more classics, “icon” cars. I wanted some older BMW cars for example, like BMW E30, E36, M3 etc. Of course this is not a big issue, just would be nice to listen to your customers by doing surveys and such and get an idea of the cars people wanted most in GT4.

The online may have not been achievable at this time but at least the infrastructure could have been implemented in GT4 and then in the future when you have the servers and such set up it could be used. Also online capability would have been extremely useful in patching existing GT4 problems etc.

Last but not least a major problem with GT games was the amount of memory cards one has own in order to hold all of his/hers favourite replays, car set ups, etc. I like many people was hoping for a small Hard Disk Drive incorporated in PSTwo. Not very big, so it does not hold an entire game and encourage piracy, but big enough to hold a lot of save information and things like pictures from GT4 Photo mode plus maybe patch information for problems with GT4. Again this has not happened. Not even the alternative of maybe having super high capacity memory cards. Again with the price of such media storage device dropping in price the way they are it would have really helped.

I understand and respect Sony, my TV, DVD, Portable Music Player and PS2 are possessions I am proud of. I always try to go for quality and like how Sony manages to always give me the features that I want, and others lack, in my equipment. But I feel that PSTwo could and should have been better and more importantly the biggest and best game on the PS platform, GT4, has some serious flaws.

Unfortunately since the PSTwo and GT4 have given me initial feeling of disappointment I am considering moving over to Microsoft platform. I never thought I’d say this but the way things are at the moment the XBOX Live options and the very impressive Forza Motorsport may convert me. Thing that is also worrying is that a lot of people share my views so I believe it’s about time Sony/ Polyphony Digital started listening to it’s fans more.

Sincerely
Dan Bucsa
"Cobra_UK"

I've just sent this letter...

 

[zefff]

I sent my own too! Here:

http://www.scee.com/contact/customerContacts.jhtml#UK

I personally think a bombardment would have better effect than a single message with petition. Maybe petition along with individual messages would be best, I dunno? But we have to do something while we can to get the PAL version fixed!

 

[Ev0]

Haha, I'm sure, you won't pick it up.....

Actually, I won't. I have many other things that I would like to buy right now, and if GT4 omits various features, it won't be very hard for me to avoid buying the game.

Oh yeah, nice triple post.