2006 British Grand Prix

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On the other hand, McLaren looked much faster this weekend. I say, three competitive teams makes for a much more interesting season than just two. Let's hope that continues.
 
I went to bed after Alonso had a 12 second lead. Wasn't overly interesting, that's for sure. At least Kimi's car seemed consistant.
 
Congratulations on getting 2nd Schumi! Pity it wasn't 1st place, but is better then 3rd :) Just 23 points behind FA now with 10 races to go! You still can win the Championship Schumi, so good luck!

Wander what became of the Stewards Investigation involving MW, RS and SS?
 
I don't think MS has a chance now of winning the championship unless Renault start have some problems with their car they are always going to be on the podium I think....
 
miss_schu
Wander what became of the Stewards Investigation involving MW, RS and SS?
Nothing. Although Speed and Schumacher were both at fault, all of the drivers agreed that it was a racing incident. So there was nothing the Stewards could do, really.
 
Agreed about the bad commentary.
Agreed that the race was fairly boring.
Sucks that Kimi's pit crew is so much slower than Ferrari's.
I thought the finishing order was interesting:

Renault
Ferrari
McLaren
Renault
Ferrari
McLaren
 
danoff
Sucks that Kimi's pit crew is so much slower than Ferrari's.
If I recall correctly, their pitstops were about the same, but somehow Michael's out-lap was 3 or 4 seconds quicker than Kimi's in-lap. It was another one of those annoying "how the **** did MS do that?" moments.
miss_schu
Congratulations on getting 2nd Schumi! Pity it wasn't 1st place, but is better then 3rd Just 23 points behind FA now with 10 races to go! You still can win the Championship Schumi, so good luck!
Are you actually Mrs. Schumacher? That's the only way to explain it...

Alonso doesn't make mistakes, and hasn't had a mechanical failure in two years. Unless Schumacher can be consistently faster (he's not), and McLaren starts stealing points from Alonso (they aren't....yet), it's going to be tough for Schumacher to whittle away at that points gap. Not impossible, though. One non-finish for Alonso, and a win for Michael changes things. It just doesn't look too likely at this point.
 
Blake
Nothing. Although Speed and Schumacher were both at fault, all of the drivers agreed that it was a racing incident. So there was nothing the Stewards could do, really.

It really looked like it was a racing incident and nothing else should have come of it. Good thing that is what happened. 👍
 
kylehnat
If I recall correctly, their pitstops were about the same, but somehow Michael's out-lap was 3 or 4 seconds quicker than Kimi's in-lap. It was another one of those annoying "how the **** did MS do that?" moments.

I remember seeing at least an extra second on Kimi's second pit stop (8+ seconds vs. 7ish), which was all the lead he had. On the first stop, Kimi lost a good 2 seconds in the pit. I know MS was blazing on that lap, but Kimi lost any chance he had when his pit crew is that slow.

At Monaco Kimi had a shot at taking the lead from Alonzo in the pits and his pit crew came in over 3 seconds slower than Alonzo's. It cost Kimi the lead (not that it mattered down the line). I remember seeing over 10 seconds for Kimi and ~7 for Alonzo.
 
VashTheStampede
It really looked like it was a racing incident and nothing else should have come of it. Good thing that is what happened. 👍
Yeah, they seem to be doing a really nice job in the last two races. After JV’s penalty at the Nürburgring I’d lost faith. But it’s looking pretty fair at the moment. :)
 
kylehnat
Are you actually Mrs. Schumacher? That's the only way to explain it...

No I am not! Can't a girl love and have faith in one of the most greatest drivers in F1 history? What is wrong with that, seriously?

When I got introduced to this site I thought to myself, finally, here is a cool place that I can come to, to read other peoples opinions, and have my say and so on, about a sport that I really enjoy and can talk seriously about! I couldn't wait to join up! Now that I have, everyone seems to be getting annoyed with me and my Schumi speak! Yes, i admit that I do get carried away about him, but why not? He is awesome! Like I keep saying, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and views! I just enjoy watching him race and no matter what anyone thinks, he deserves respect! He is not going to be around in F1 forever :(

MS
 
Dont worry, people just dont like him because he turned Ferrari from nothing to everything then spanked the field for 5 years. with some of those closely fought with other drivers.
 
miss_schu
No I am not! Can't a girl love and have faith in one of the most greatest drivers in F1 history? What is wrong with that, seriously?
Nothing, but you don't just have faith, you follow him blindly.
miss_schu
When I got introduced to this site I thought to myself, finally, here is a cool place that I can come to, to read other peoples opinions, and have my say and so on, about a sport that I really enjoy and can talk seriously about! I couldn't wait to join up! Now that I have, everyone seems to be getting annoyed with me and my Schumi speak! Yes, i admit that I do get carried away about him, but why not? He is awesome! Like I keep saying, everyone is entitled to their own opinions and views! I just enjoy watching him race and no matter what anyone thinks, he deserves respect! He is not going to be around in F1 forever
... fortunately. :D

As I was trying to explain earlier already, it is absolutely okay to be a fan of somebody, like Schumacher. Still, you shouldn't believe that he is always right, always innocent and makes no mistakes. Cause then, you've made the small step from being a fan to being fan(atic).

Regards
the Interceptor
 
@Miss_Schu- It's because you've become a fan-girl. You follow blindly, you see no wrong, you ignore the fact that's he's not at his best form at present but still insist he'll win every race.

It begins to grate after a while.

I also find it great how Alonso has only won 1 championship (maybe soon a second) and people are already saying his wins are boring :lol: It took 3 years for that to happen with Schumacher!
 
Specialized
Is that jonathan ross commentating?
It could be. I can't see the video, (won't play on work PC) but he did commentate on a couple of the official FIA end of season review videos.
 
One retirement for FA and MS is back in the chase, so don't count him out yet. But yeah, so far it looks like FA and Renault are flawless. Someone needs to step up big time, because the last thing I want to see is FA, or anyone for that matter, cruise their way to the championship.
 
ExigeExcel
I also find it great how Alonso has only won 1 championship (maybe soon a second) and people are already saying his wins are boring :lol: It took 3 years for that to happen with Schumacher!

Maybe because he's spanish... and you know us the spaniards tend to be hated from the rest of european countries... just look at this year's Roland Garros final match, Rafael Nadal was being booed although he beated Federer...
 
I watched the majority of this race, hoping to be excited by modern F1, and I have to say a couple things.

First off, how dare any of you snobs say anything bad about NASCAR after an event like this. This race was duller than ditchwater, and not just because it was all Alonso from flag to flag. All the vaunted performance of these cars aside, it still amounted to a pit strategy battle. The only thing worth commentating about was whether or not a given driver would make it out of the pits before or after his rival.

I used to be a big F1 fan back in the late '70s and early '80s. It was amazing then, with amazing racing, amazing cars, amazing action. Each season was a war and each race was battle; the battlefields were the tracks and garages.

Nowadays the sport has been rarified and sterilized to the point of near irrelevance to me. The battlefields are now the engineers' simulation software and the teams' boardrooms. It's been steadily less and less of a drivers' battle and more and more of a technicians' battle - even the drivers themselves are more technicians than wheel men. This is not to take anything away from their skill, because I know if I got into the cockpit, I'd pootle halfway around the track at 20% and then punt it right into the ditch the first time I tried for any speed.

The cars themselves are so technologically advanced, and so technologically designed as to be also irrelevant. With the weird, computer-generated aero shapes, I just can't get my head around them as cars any more. Visually I cannot resolve their outlines into a coherent unit, since everything is broken up by odd winglets, canards, intake channels, and whatnot. From a purely aesthetic standpoint, track width and tire size rules have dictated a truly awkward set of proportions, as well. The management systems are beyond complex.

In a very odd way, these cars have become a soulless piece of equipment or an appliance just like a Corolla, but much more expensive. In another odd way, they have become so technologically inbred that they can no longer function without electronic life support systems.

The performance of these machines (both drivers and vehicles) is truly stunning. I'm the first to admit that. But the stupendous amount of money and the stupendous amount of technology spent in pursuit of that performance has just put Formula 1 right off my map of interesting things. It's so remote and disconnected from anything that I can regard as meaningful or relevant to me that I just can't even generate much awe. I mean, there's only so much excitement you can get from studying telemetry graphs, and that's what the sport seems to have been reduced to.

I'm not defending NASCAR racing here; it doesn't interest me much either. I'm just saying that F1 fans have a lot of nerve criticizing NASCAR when their favorite sport has also become a billion dollar business driven by arbitrary rules and cars that have nothing to do with their manufacturer's actual products.
 
Man, Duke is pissed :lol:

Formula One is a parasite. Once it latches on to you, you can't get rid of it (well, you don't really want to), no matter how dull it gets.
 
Duke
I'm not defending NASCAR racing here; it doesn't interest me much either. I'm just saying that F1 fans have a lot of nerve criticizing NASCAR when their favorite sport has also become a billion dollar business driven by arbitrary rules and cars that have nothing to do with their manufacturer's actual products.
Trouble is, that almost all forms of racing have nothing to do with the adage of "win on Sunday, sell it on Monday". With the exception of the SpeedChannel Cup, the SCCA, and other worldwide grassroots racing associations, there's almost no technology that can be shared with production cars. Except for homoglogation specials that are served up in very limited numbers, or technology that can only be found in the most expensive of exotic cars, the benefits of racing car technology is limited due to the fact that:

1) Highway speeds aren't getting any faster.
2) Roads are less open than before; more cars and drivers on the roads, and new road construction doesn't match that pace.
3) Many environmental and expensive hurdles prevent new race track construction.

The upper echelons of motorsport are full of transmorgified road-going cars that share little with their road-ready cousins, due to rules and regulations hammered out by a committee, thus turning the essence of motorsport into a mobile billboard display for the labelwhore-conscious.

The is less and less about motorsports to keep me interested. However, every now and then, these drivers accidently race each other. But it's getting rarer and rarer with each passing year, unless it's all artificially concocted, such as forced pit-stops, changing the outcome of the "show", yellow flags for no reason. However, as soon as the regulations are posted, teams figure out ways to exceed their opponents as son as possible, turning the technical regulations into a dog-and-pony show, because the various sanctioning bodies of motorsport excerise their disqualification muscles on an arbitrary basis.

Ten years later, we got shifter paddles from billions of dollars of racing expertise. I can't think of anything else.
 
Pupik
Ten years later, we got shifter paddles from billions of dollars of racing expertise. I can't think of anything else.
Straight off the bat I’ll mention electronic aids such as Traction Control, and Active Stability. I have more to say, but I have a lack of time, at the moment. I’ll get back to this tonight.
 
Blake
Straight off the bat I’ll mention electronic aids such as Traction Control, and Active Stability. I have more to say, but I have a lack of time, at the moment. I’ll get back to this tonight.
I think these were actually planned and tested for road-cars first, and then made their way to F1. Active suspension was extensively designed by Lotus for road car testing until it was used in F1 cars.

It's a tough call to say that these features have really come down the pipeline from F1, the racing and road programs for these types of technology seem to be created independent of one another, since the practical application of one has little to do with the other.

But I suppose I'm getting off-topic here.
 
Not much off topic as it goes about the technology inherent to the sport. I'm partial of TC systems still being used in F1 but on a second thought, some of the present prowness still made in the recent championships (i.e. still racing in the port of Monaco) is rendered possible by the presence of such system.

The present level of technology in F1 is placed to tame the unpredictabilities of high-speed racing and, from what I can remember, removing their presence can trigger bigger risks, as it happened in the beginning of the 1994 season. Decisions will have to be made on what is judged as superfluous and what technology should be exiged.

The car design is getting very tame and unsurprising, as it now comes to finetuning main shapes and adding winglets and whatnot. Nothing raw and basic by now... If I had to cook like how the modern F1 is designed, I'd have to wear a white tall jacket and work in a lab. :/
 
darkfinal
Maybe because he's spanish... and you know us the spaniards tend to be hated from the rest of european countries... just look at this year's Roland Garros final match, Rafael Nadal was being booed although he beated Federer...
You're kidding right?

I think the Germans can be put down as the most 'hated', if you can even call it that. It's more like 'who'd they like to beat the most'.

I can't think of any country that has anything against the Spanish... Well maybe an people of Mayan or Aztec descent (if there are any) and perhaps the portuguese.
 
Duke
First off, how dare any of you snobs say anything bad about NASCAR after an event like this. This race was duller than ditchwater, and not just because it was all Alonso from flag to flag. All the vaunted performance of these cars aside, it still amounted to a pit strategy battle. The only thing worth commentating about was whether or not a given driver would make it out of the pits before or after his rival.
Well, I won’t comment on NASCAR, because I’ve only seen 1 race in my life – you know, since they don’t show NASCAR on free-to-air T.V. in Australia.

Yes, the race at Silverstone was dull – probably the worst of the year. I mean, normally I will not call and F1 race boring, because I enjoy watching them all. But this race really didn’thave any reason for me to get excited.

Räikkönen looked like he could challenge for a few laps, but Alonso soon took advantage of his superior car, and got an insurmountable lead. Schumacher couldn’t pass Kimi, so the race was over before the first sets of pit-stops.
Duke
I used to be a big F1 fan back in the late '70s and early '80s. It was amazing then, with amazing racing, amazing cars, amazing action. Each season was a war and each race was battle; the battlefields were the tracks and garages.
I think it is unfair of you to judge a sport on 1 race. However, I can see where you are coming from, and I know that the sport has changed since you were a fan.

I don’t know how to justify this to you, but Formula 1 is still amazing. The races are exciting – perhaps it’s not the wheel to wheel racing that was possible with the cars and circuits of that era, but I never watch a race and think that it wasn’t worth watching.

The cars are more amazing than ever. They always have been at the peak of technology, and have always been the quickest vehicles on four (or six?) wheels. However, what makes them more amazing now, to me, is the fact that the cars are completely different from anything else. The regulations controlling their design are so strict, yet engineers are still making the cars go faster and faster.

The cars are, as you say, almost irrelevant these days – it’s not like in the late 50s, when Cooper were racing with a gearbox based on that of a road going Citroën, and key suspension parts that were borrowed directly from a Volkswagen Beetle. To some people this is a good thing, to others this is a bad thing. Personally I think they’re both different eras, but I plan to enjoy the one that I am seeing, while appreciating the past.
Duke
It's been steadily less and less of a drivers' battle and more and more of a technicians' battle…
F1 has always been an engineer’s battle. The only difference is that more money is put into the design of cars than ever before. Teams are being paid hundreds of millions of dollars in sponsorship every year – they are going to spend every cent of it. It has always been this way. The only thing that has changed is the amount of money.

Good drivers will always be a key part of racing in Formula 1. It is a shame that many people do not believe that the drivers have to be talented to drive, and race, a modern Formula 1 car. Some average Joe couldn’t step into an F1 car and mix it with the best. Not even an average racing driver can compete with the current field of F1 drivers (case in point: Yuji Ide).

I think the reason that you say that F1 is less of a drivers battle is because the cars are so aerodynamically dependant, that it is almost impossible to overtake another driver unless you are much faster than them.
Duke
…the stupendous amount of money and the stupendous amount of technology spent in pursuit of that performance has just put Formula 1 right off my map of interesting things.
I’m sorry to hear that, but I sincerely hope that you’re not tossing the sport aside because of a boring race.

The money, and the technology may not appeal to you, or be relevant like it was some decades ago. But Formula 1 is still the pinnacle of motorsport, with the best designers, engineers, mechanics, and drivers in the world competing for the same championship. I hope you can appreciate that the spirit of Formula 1 has not changed since you were a fan of the sport.
 
Great post. 👍

Long story short Duke, you picked the wrong race to watch!
 
ExigeExcel
You're kidding right?

I think the Germans can be put down as the most 'hated', if you can even call it that. It's more like 'who'd they like to beat the most'.

I can't think of any country that has anything against the Spanish... Well maybe an people of Mayan or Aztec descent (if there are any) and perhaps the portuguese.

I only know that french people hate spaniards due to historical reasons, but I can't come up with them right now :dunce:

Maybe this article can make things go clearer... http://wiki.chakuriki.net/en/index.php/Spain :dopey:

"Spain hates France. But they both hate England more. England also hates France. France hates Spain. Everyone holidays in Spain and France. But grapes hate pineapples."



PS: Sorry for the off-topic, this is the last time ;)
 

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