2006 Chevrolet Corvette Z06 @ the N-Ring

[Driftster]

Since when does buying a car based out of name/status mean you have "Mental issues"?

 

[JNasty4G63]

If the name on the car is "Aztek" I might have to agree. But, otherwise its just brand preference. We all have a brand we like more than others. That hardly means you have issues.

Hilg

 

[Elegy]

If the name on the car is "Aztek" I might have to agree.

Seconded.

Right, but we don't have a GT3-RS here in the States, so you can't just convert Euro to $$$. So, I just did some price comparisons with the standard GT3, which we do have, to get the price. The RS goes for basically 18% more than a standard GT3. And here in the states, a GT3 cost exactly $100k. So IF the GT3-RS was sold here in the US, it would be about $118k, give or take. Either way, thats a big difference than the $145k some people were quoting.

Well, that is assuming that they would choose to mark it up from the GT3 in the exact same way. They could easily have decided to use a different multiplier. *shrug*

 

[JNasty4G63]

Right. Its all a "woulda-shoulda-coulda" thing anyway, since we don't have the car. I was just trying to be as correct as could be expected from a guestimate.

Hilg

 

[Driftster]

Well technically you COULD get a GT3-RSR for 1 dollar...on Ebay....but that's besides the point

 

[Elegy]

Very true, very true.

So, what's on the itinerary now? Sit back and wait for the Blue Devil's time? 👍

 

[Joey D]

You won't find out much from the Blue Devil since its highly classified in the interior right now. Nobody knows the numbers it will produce, but the rumors are it will be forced induction.

 

[JNasty4G63]

Well technically you COULD get a GT3-RSR for 1 dollar...on Ebay....but that's besides the point

Oh, you can get an RSR, thats no problem. Lots of those sold here in the States. But, since thats the race version of the RS, its not street legal. And, neither would the RS be, even if you bought one. Own it, fine. But, go to a dealer, sign some paperwork, and drive it home???? Nope.

Hilg

 

[Elegy]

What's wrong with the RS, anyway? Why isn't it being offered here?

 

[JCE]

Right, but we don't have a GT3-RS here in the States, so you can't just convert Euro to $$$.

Ah, my bad. I assumed you were quoting those amounts in Euros...so I converted it for everyone for reference.

Since when does buying a car based out of name/status mean you have "Mental issues"?

When you buy the car strictly to use it's name or status to impress other people (which the larger portion of these owners do) and not to own it based on brand loyalty or pride. I'm sorry, anyone who buys an Itailian or European or even the 2 American exotics (S7 and Ford GT) just to try and impress everyone else just or to throw around thier wealth needs to have some theropy. I really love Aston Martins...but if I buy the Vanquish just to flaunt my money and to try and impress people that to me is blasphemy and just stupid. Just my opinion.

 

[Elegy]

Well, I still wouldn't go so far as to say "mental issues", but I'm not too crazy about those sorts of people either. Especially since many of the anti-American car folks also come from that crowd.

 

[JNasty4G63]

What's wrong with the RS, anyway? Why isn't it being offered here?

HA, we should be happy we even get the GT3, let alone the RS. We didn't get the GT3 for a few years when it initially came out. But, as to why we don't get the RS, its basically the same situation as the M3 CSL. They are very low production cars, and the costs to get them federalized here in the states just wouldn't be worth it, what with all our crash, emissions, and other standards.

Would they sell??? Hell yes. But, for the company to go through all the trouble to get all that done, it wouldn't do anything but waste money.

Hilg

 

[McLaren]

Oh, you can get an RSR, thats no problem. Lots of those sold here in the States. But, since thats the race version of the RS, its not street legal. And, neither would the RS be, even if you bought one. Own it, fine. But, go to a dealer, sign some paperwork, and drive it home???? Nope.

Hilg

Something similiar to the 959s except you had to buy them overseas.

I'm not sure, but are they still illegal on the streets?

 

[Crash]

Here's an exerpt on the 959

"The 959 was not street legal in the United States prior to 1999 when the "Show and Display" law was finally passed, although an unknown number were imported by the super-wealthy via the "grey market" during the late 1980s as show pieces. During the model's development, Porsche refused to provide the United States Department of Transportation with the four 959s they required for crash testing, and the car was never certified by the NHTSA for street use in the U.S. With the passage of "Show and Display" the crash test requirements were removed and importation of the 959 was allowed, assuming the car could meet with the local emissions standards that would have existed as of 1987. The 959 can be fitted with a catalytic converter and a rechipped computer which will allow it to meet those emissions requirements. However most owners refuse to modify their 959s, and the cars remain as collection pieces."

That's quoted from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_959

 

[Dave A]

Well, I still wouldn't go so far as to say "mental issues", but I'm not too crazy about those sorts of people either. Especially since many of the anti-American car folks also come from that crowd.

They're just a small part of that crowd though, as are the Anti-British people that there are as many of. I'm glad to come back here today and see it's become a proper discussion at last 👍 people let's keep it this way.

 

[Elegy]

It's too bad the entire crowd isn't small as well; that way we'd have more ways of getting respect for our cars besides track success. It'd be sweet to be rid of that "guilty of sucking until proven innocent" stigma Duke mentioned. 👍

 

[JCE]

HA, we should be happy we even get the GT3, let alone the RS. We didn't get the GT3 for a few years when it initially came out. But, as to why we don't get the RS, its basically the same situation as the M3 CSL. They are very low production cars, and the costs to get them federalized here in the states just wouldn't be worth it, what with all our crash, emissions, and other standards.

Would they sell??? Hell yes. But, for the company to go through all the trouble to get all that done, it wouldn't do anything but waste money.

Hilg

The difference between the GT3 and M3 CSL is I would want the CSL brought across the pond. That car has probably more appeal over here I think. What's a M3 CSL cost in Euro over there?

 

[neanderthal]

AFAIK bill gates and jerry seinfeld pushed for the 959 to be legal and now you can legally drive one here as long as you make some minor mods to it.

 

[JNasty4G63]

The difference between the GT3 and M3 CSL is I would want the CSL brought across the pond. That car has probably more appeal over here I think.

Well, both are very small production cars. And both are just lighter, higher tune versions of a current road car. Most people would be fine with a standard GT3, or a standard M3. The extra stuff you get on a CSL or RS is really minimal unless you track your car EVERY week. Then, maybe its worth it. But, other than that, they just cost too much more.

.....What's a M3 CSL cost in Euro over there?

All I can find is price in pounds. Standard M3 goes for 41k, while the CSL went for 59k when it was sold, a whopping 44% jump. Thats a lot. Granted, its a lot of car. But, thats a big stack of sheets to drop on an M3.

Hilg

 

[Dave A]

With the CSL you were paying for owning one of a limited run as well, but it was a lot faster than the M3.

 

[McLaren]

AFAIK bill gates and jerry seinfeld pushed for the 959 to be legal and now you can legally drive one here as long as you make some minor mods to it.

Yes, but the mods lower the price don't they?
I mean, the mods mean the car isn't 100% original.

Its an awesome car, and I can see why Seinfield would push to make it street legal. He is a big fan of Porsche, and if I'm not mistaken, he had a Porsche stolen that was found near a river.

 

[JNasty4G63]

With the CSL you were paying for owning one of a limited run as well, but it was a lot faster than the M3.

Well, you can say that about either of those cars. My point being that, while they are much higher performing machines over their standard version, unless you track your car a lot, the added work put into them isn't really doing you any good. Yes, they are both limited cars, and that does have some value. But, everything put into them was done so to make them faster, lighter, and handle better. For the average driver, thats meaningless.

Hilg

 

[Dave A]

I agree with the part about the track, but M3's arn't that limited, CSL's are but theres plenty of M3's around.

 

[JNasty4G63]

I agree with the part about the track, but M3's arn't that limited, CSL's are but theres plenty of M3's around.

I never said an M3 was limited. I said the CSL and RS versions are limited, not the M3 and GT3 they're based on.

Hilg

 

[Dave A]

Oh, right I missunderstood 👍. Then I agree.

 

[JCE]

Well, both are very small production cars. And both are just lighter, higher tune versions of a current road car. Most people would be fine with a standard GT3, or a standard M3. The extra stuff you get on a CSL or RS is really minimal unless you track your car EVERY week. Then, maybe its worth it. But, other than that, they just cost too much more.

All I can find is price in pounds. Standard M3 goes for 41k, while the CSL went for 59k when it was sold, a whopping 44% jump. Thats a lot. Granted, its a lot of car. But, thats a big stack of sheets to drop on an M3.

Hilg

41,000 GBP is $71,987.83 USD which is a freaking STEAL! I'd take the CSL over just about any $60k-100k car with the exception of the M5 obviously. Dodge Viper? No thanks, I'll takes me M3 CSL and spank that ass.

 

[Elegy]

I wouldn't try it unless you modded it first. The CSL doesn't have the horsepower or the torque of the Viper. If the Viper driver gets a smooth launch (admittedly more difficult in the Viper than it is for most cars), its acceleration would be the CSL's downfall. It can outbrake the CSL, too.

NOTE: Don't get me wrong, I like the CSL (and the M3 series in general). I'm just a shameless Viper fanboy. 👍

 

[neanderthal]

41,000 GBP is $71,987.83 USD which is a freaking STEAL! I'd take the CSL over just about any $60k-100k car with the exception of the M5 obviously. Dodge Viper? No thanks, I'll takes me M3 CSL and spank that ass.

you're obviously on crack.

im one of the biggest propellor fans out there, but even i know an M3 has no business messing with a viper. id say only the M3 GTR race car could have a chance against a viper.

 

[JCE]

you're obviously on crack.

im one of the biggest propellor fans out there, but even i know an M3 has no business messing with a viper. id say only the M3 GTR race car could have a chance against a viper.

Show me the official times from the 'ring of the SRT-10 and the M3 (E46) CSL--I think the Viper SRT-10 posted an 8:13 and the CSL posted a 7:50. And no I am not on crack. While the Viper has some coolness...the M3 CSL just has more style...and I prefer the exhaust note of an M3 vs a Viper.

 

[Joey D]

The Viper is a joke, I've never ever liked that car. It's a motor with wheels, a needlessly big motor. The Vette Z06 gives you better preformance and it has to less cylinders and better gas mileage. I don't see what the obsession with the Dodge Viper is, I don't think it looks cool and I'm not impressed with preformance other then the accleration and top speed (well sorta impressed). I'll stick with my Corvette any day.