2008 Best Car Series: (Round 3) FIAT 500 vs Aston Martin DB9

[Joey D]

The DB9 lost, it will be the 500 vs. the R8.

 

[Leonidae]

the last poll will be epic..

 

[homeforsummer]

The 500's gonna get run over. too many people impressed by that overpriced Audi. I'd love to see the 500 smear the R8, but I cant' see it happening. too many badge snobs.

+1. I expect the Audi will walk it, but personally I'll be voting for the Fiat. I like the R8 but it won't get my vote.

 

[Joey D]

I don't know, we thought the GT-R would walk the competition and you all see the results. I wouldn't count the 500 out just yet.

 

[Muzaffar]

I don't know, we thought the GT-R would walk the competition and you all see the results. I wouldn't count the 500 out just yet.

Well some people are just bias towards the GT-R. Some of them just cannot accept what the car really is.....

Oh, and count me in on the 500. 👍

 

[Jim Prower]

I don't know, we thought the GT-R would walk the competition and you all see the results. I wouldn't count the 500 out just yet.

I knew the GT-R was doomed from the start, thanks to all you naysayers. and the 500 is going up against the R8, which, I'm getting the impression, (Particularly form Exigeracer and Forza2.0) is God's Own Car. Ah, well, perhaps in a few months everyone will have gone onto the next big thing. I really think the car's current popularity is a fad.

 

[forza2.0]

I knew the GT-R was doomed from the start, thanks to all you naysayers. and the 500 is going up against the R8, which, I'm getting the impression, (Particularly form Exigeracer and Forza2.0) is God's Own Car. Ah, well, perhaps in a few months everyone will have gone onto the next big thing. I really think the car's current popularity is a fad.

Dont be such a baby because your favourite car hasnt reached the final. Its like you have spat out your dummy. Seriously grow up.

All me and exige talked about loosly is the GTR's transmission weakness rumours.

 

[Jim Prower]

Would you care to share the R8's limitations, then? Other than the more expensive cars beating it.

 

[forza2.0]

Would you care to share the R8's limitations, then? Other than the more expensive cars beating it.

That I cant afford one.

 

[Jim Prower]

Oh, come on, there's gotta be more than that.

I mean, weren't guys put down for not sharing the flaws of that "other car?" Come on, be a little more realistic, here. Every car has it's weak points. Price is a problem the Audi has, but it can't be the only one. Dig a little deeper.

 

[gator of kana]

I hope the 500 will take down that R8 for what it did to my R35 GT-R. IT WILL BE AVENGED. We'll show people a lesson that bling isn't the thing this year

 

[Moglet]

I don't know about anyone else but I find the R8 a bit 'clinical'. It needs to be a bit more insane IMO, it doesn't have a nice engine note or anything. It needs to be a bit more OTT for me, but then I love cars like the Zonda.

 

[ROAD_DOGG33J]

I don't know about anyone else but I find the R8 a bit 'clinical'. It needs to be a bit more insane IMO, it doesn't have a nice engine note or anything. It needs to be a bit more OTT for me, but then I love cars like the Zonda.

The R8 is more of an everyday car than a Zonda. But you can also take it to the track and have lots of fun.

 

[homeforsummer]

Lolz @ gator

Problems with the R8? I like the car, but judging by road tests the GT-R is objectively a better performance car, which I'd call a problem with the R8 - it's the best Germany has to offer versus the best Japan has to offer, and Japan have gone ahead for the first time in such a high level of performance cars.

The styling is great, but not as good as it could be because it has to wear the Audi "face" - I'm sure they could have designed the thing without the goatee that all the current Audis have - but maybe as Audi's corporate look changes the R8 will get a restyle and lose the beard. Of course, this isn't helped by the numberplate dominating the front end in most markets - much better in the United States where it isn't necessary in some states.

They're just a couple of admittedly small problems I can see with the car. That said, nothing is perfect. I like the GT-R and Fiat 500 too, but they aren't exactly problem-free either.

 

[forza2.0]

Oh, come on, there's gotta be more than that.

I mean, weren't guys put down for not sharing the flaws of that "other car?" Come on, be a little more realistic, here. Every car has it's weak points. Price is a problem the Audi has, but it can't be the only one. Dig a little deeper.

Price is a problem for the R8? Audi isnt a toyota. Audi make premium vehicles with a premium price tag. If price was a problem then audi wouldnt have the issue of not being able to build them fast enough.

 

[Jim Prower]

Either money means nothing to you, or you're in denial about something.

Consider that the car you are talking about. Yes, it stomps the 911 Carrera, which is what you say it's aimed at, yet, it costs roughly the same as a Porsche GT3, which walks all over it. For that matter, the Carrera S can be had for a mere $10,000 more than the GT-R, and about 30,000 less than a base R8, so thus, the performance loss, in that case, is negligible compared to the cost savings.

Honestly, this sentence...

Audi isnt a toyota. Audi make premium vehicles with a premium price tag.

...confirms my suspicions. You're a euro badge snob. Thus, you don't believe that there can ever be a car from anywhere but Europe that can possibly be any good. And you don't give a care about how much it costs. Or who proves you wrong. Whatever, go off in your own little world. Not like you haven't before.

In the real world, dollars and cents matter. and the R8 is overpriced for the performance. You can get a Porsche GT3, which is just as nice inside, twice as soulful, and much faster for the roughly the same price as an R8. You don't even need the Ceramic brake option to beat it. The only thing you might get from the R8 that you don't from the Porsche, is a dual-clutch gearbox, (an expensive option, anyway,) and that's not gonna be for much longer, either.

 

[Dave A]

Either money means nothing to you, or you're in denial about something.

Consider that the car you are talking about. Yes, it stomps the 911 Carrera, which is what you say it's aimed at, yet, it costs roughly the same as a Porsche GT3, which walks all over it. For that matter, the Carrera S can be had for a mere $10,000 more than the GT-R, and about 30,000 less than a base R8, so thus, the performance loss, in that case, is negligible compared to the cost savings.

In Europe the R8 is slightly cheaper but only just than the GT3, but it's a different type of car anyway. If your interested in the GT3 you won't be interested in the R8 and vice versa. The R8 more refined and less extreme, which is what a lot of people want. The carrera S isn't much cheaper than the R8 in Europe and the R8 is a faster car than that. It's just as refined though. Comparing the R8 to the GT3 is like comparing an MX5 to a Caterham, they're both fast and fun but not aimed squarely at the same buyers.

 

[Jim Prower]

I guess you have a point...the Porsche IS much less expensive in the US. Might explain why I've seen so many of 'em lately.

It begs the question, though: Why is the R8 so much more expensive, here?

 

[Joey D]

Cost of manufacturing coupled with a weak dollar and a demand makes for higher prices typically.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Oh, come on, there's gotta be more than that.

I mean, weren't guys put down for not sharing the flaws of that "other car?" Come on, be a little more realistic, here. Every car has it's weak points. Price is a problem the Audi has, but it can't be the only one. Dig a little deeper.

Are my ears burning? Or is this something else?

 

[forza2.0]

Either money means nothing to you, or you're in denial about something.

Consider that the car you are talking about. Yes, it stomps the 911 Carrera, which is what you say it's aimed at, yet, it costs roughly the same as a Porsche GT3, which walks all over it. For that matter, the Carrera S can be had for a mere $10,000 more than the GT-R, and about 30,000 less than a base R8, so thus, the performance loss, in that case, is negligible compared to the cost savings.

You can get a Porsche GT3, which is just as nice inside, twice as soulful, and much faster for the roughly the same price as an R8. You don't even need the Ceramic brake option to beat it. The only thing you might get from the R8 that you don't from the Porsche, is a dual-clutch gearbox, (an expensive option, anyway,) and that's not gonna be for much longer, either.

You seriously make me laugh with some of the complete crap you conjure up from out of nowhere.

...confirms my suspicions. You're a euro badge snob. Thus, you don't believe that there can ever be a car from anywhere but Europe that can possibly be any good.

Really, is that why insurance permitting I will be getting a evo 9 or 10 as my next car?

And you don't give a care about how much it costs.

So explain to me why I drive a SEAT and not the VW equivelant?

Or who proves you wrong. Whatever, go off in your own little world. Not like you haven't before.

Pot kettle black. You really are behaving like a silly little girl. Get your knickers out of a twist and your apparent chip off your shoulder.

In the real world, dollars and cents matter.

Less so when your already spending £80k on a car. What difference would 5k make to a person who is in a position to buy such a car in the first place.

You can get a Porsche GT3, which is just as nice inside,

No its not.

twice as soulful,

So now german cars have soul? Usually people like you say the italians have soul and the germans dont

and much faster for the roughly the same price as an R8.

Not in europe they arent the same price, and on public roads in average british weather conditions the R8 would be the quicker car. Infact with an average driver the R8 would most likely be the quicker car due to the 4wd in the dry also. Races involving evo's and exotica on public roads prove this, discounting ofcourse those boring straight line races. The GT3 remember is a Rear engined, rear wheel drive car it will take a more experienced driver to get the best out of it.

Anyway, the R8, alot less common than the 911, and audi's current halo car. They have priced it, they are selling, there is a 18 month waiting list. Success for audi.

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Less so when your already spending £80k on a car. What difference would 5k make to a person who is in a position to buy such a car in the first place.

He has a point, anyone who is in the position to buy such an expensive car won't care about 5k difference (if that is what the difference is, I don't know, 15-20k might make an impact for some). Even cheaper cars won't make a difference like that, otherwise Holden Barinas would be absolutely everywhere.
Other notes if price really mattered that much:
Ferrari would be going out of business as everyone would own a Z06 or GTR
German sedans wouldn't be a serious consideration any more as everyone would opt for domestic brands which can now match and sometimes beat on performance for far far less money.

 

[Jim Prower]

Okay, fine, you've won this one, but I still am not impressed by the R8. ((Even though, I predict, you'll laugh at me with your lack of spelling and apostrophes. but that has nothing to do with it.))

I just wish you'd told me they were close in price in Europe, earlier. You'd have avoided a whole lot of trouble if you'd just said that.

 

[forza2.0]

Okay, fine, you've won this one, but I still am not impressed by the R8. ((Even though, I predict, you'll laugh at me with your lack of spelling and apostrophes. but that has nothing to do with it.))

I just wish you'd told me they were close in price in Europe, earlier. You'd have avoided a whole lot of trouble if you'd just said that.

Perhaps you should have remembered that the USA is not the only country in the world. 💡

 

[daan]

Stop the pointless, off-topic arguing please. 💡

 

[nd 4 holden spd]

Okay, fine, you've won this one, but I still am not impressed by the R8.

I'm not impressed by it either, it just doesn't "do it" for me.

 

[Moglet]

I think everyone should stop arguing and simply bask in the glory of the 500.

 

[buickgnx88]

I wonder how many GTPlaneteers could fit in a 500!

 

[Moglet]

I wonder how many GTPlaneteers could fit in a 500!

Well, I'll be taking it to the 10th UKGTP LAN so we might be able to find out

 

[buickgnx88]

DO IT! Then post the results!