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I wonder how Raikonnen's exhaust became detached like that.
8th! 8th! He won Turkey and Brasil in 2006, Bahrain, Spain and Turkey in 2006, and this year has won in Bahrain, Turkey and now in France. 8! I have them all gold coated and on shiny oak pedestals, not far from my secret Rafaela collection.gave Massa his 7th win of his career
Well, I see the race backs up my hypothesis that Hamilton is a poor driver when in traffic and not racing for the up-front positions.
Well the thing is that when you go back and compare every driver in a team that has won a race recently, they've all known what it's like to struggle for a season where they're pretty much racing for the title of Best of the Rest instead of the podium. Raikkonen endured years of frustration with McLaren; I think he was carrying the number 9 or 10 at one stage there, so you can see where the team had finished the year before. Massa was driving for Sauber before the BMW partnership and while the team had a histoy of reliablity, he certainly didn't. Kovalainen lasted a year in an absolute dog of a car carrying the Renault badge; to me, he was a far better rookie than Hamilton because he kept improving ather than just staying in the one place all year. Heidfeld was driving for Prost, so that's enough said there. Kubica's the only other top-flight driver who hasn't been in a bad team for a year, but last year BMW were still in the ranks of Teams That Won't Win This Year, and he's had some poor qualifying results in the past.Yeah you were right. i think he is going to have to learn to drive better in traffic. For all the hype he is still not yet a great driver. Good but not great but I do think he can be a great driver.
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Okay, maybe I didn't explain the situation very well. He was using a low-er downforce setup on his car to keep up on the long straight leading to the Adelaide hairpin (remember, both Renault did have a high speed trap. Almost matching the top team and as well all know, they don't have a powerful engine) but has said to the pit radio that his car was oversteering and was hard to drive. He had the pace because he was light on fuel, but after that first pit stop, he was clearly struggling and lost time and was the same after his second stop which Webber was able to leapfrog him.Umm... What?![]()
Okay..... so I got it wrong, big deal..... 👎8th! 8th!
I'm sorry, who? Is this someone on GT5Hamilton has Ryuichi Kiyonari syndrome.👍
John's Debate! - The 90 Minutes of Le Mans?
If Magny-Cours was no longer host of the French Grand Prix, would you want to see F1 at the Bugatti Circuit? Do you think Bugatti Circuit would have the facilities and such to provide for a Grand Prix in this day and age?
Okay, maybe I didn't explain the situation very well. He was using a low-er downforce setup on his car to keep up on the long straight leading to the Adelaide hairpin but has said to the pit radio that his car was oversteering and was hard to drive. He had the pace because he was light on fuel, but after that first pit stop, he was clearly struggling and lost time and was the same after his second stop which Webber was able to leapfrog him.
Better now?![]()
(remember, both Renault did have a high speed trap. Almost matching the top team and as well all know, they don't have a powerful engine)
Anyhow, this race should be remembered for a long time as it will be the last race here (unless Bernie lied about not racing here) and hopefully there will be a good replacement for this circuit..... there has been a few good races here, but unfortunately this years race isn't as much "exciting" as it was back during the Schumacher era......![]()
I'm sorry, who? Is this someone on GT5?
All I can say then is stop listening to the stupid hype.But Hamilton is the exception, not the rule. He's always been gifted with a good car, a competitive car. If he hasn't won the race outright, he's been fighting for position; after all, he went for nine straight races where he finished on the podium. Only on four occasions has he been in the midfield without lapping them, an on four occasions he's proven that he's really not what the other drivers are made of. Felipe Massa charged through the field at Australia last year; Coulthard did the same at Bahrain. In fact, if you look closely enough, you'll probably find that a lot of the drivers - the competitive ones, at least - have done the same. But Hamilton hasn't. He's proven underwhelmingly underwhelming on every occasion when, if the hype is anything to go by, he should be carving through the field like a hot knife through butter.
Even if BE had not changed his mind it was unlikely to happen anyway, the ACO had already said that they were not interested in an F1 race.Le Mans Bugatti is pretty bland as a racing circuit. It's likely that the French Grand Prix will move - as planned - to a venue in or near Paris ... but Mr. E has gone and done a backflip on a backflip he previously backflipped on
See you guys are new to the dislike James Allen with a passion team, we've been at it for years. I seriously can't wait until next year, Formula 1 without commercial breaks and with no James Allen.Sorry guys, I had no idea the James Allen is reviled in Englandalso. Just an assumption on my behalf
I'm sorry, who? Is this someone on GT5?
All I can say then is stop listening to the stupid hype.
Hamilton is only in his second year in F1 and as such would have only realistically driven for one team, yes he is fortunate that team is McLaren, however to then go and try and claim that he has never proven himself against other drivers on a level playing field is nonsense.
He's still a rookie, effectively. You don't come into F1 and turn into the finished article straight away. How long did it take Raikkonen/Schumacher, etc? But then he is an English driver, and while James Allen has his hands down his pants, the hype is going to be high. I feel sorry for him sometimes, once the BBC gets coverage next season, it will ease up on him though. They tend to be less biassed (to an extent).
"I think Lewis was past him - I don't think he got any road position - that's my opinion, obviously not one held by other people," Dennis said. "I think he was past. Nothing can be gained from saying anything else. We just told race control that, it was our opinion he was past before he got squeezed off the circuit."
Lewis Hamilton commented, "My drive-through penalty was an extremely close call: I felt I'd got past Vettel fairly and was ahead going into the corner. But I was on the outside and couldn't turn-in in case we both crashed, then I lost the back-end and drove over the kerb.
Every time James Allen said "Grand Prixs" (I counted three) during the race, I wanted to shoot him with axes.
Also, how can a car with this much damage:
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still pass the weigh-in above the minimum weight requirement? All that CF burned away, not to mention a titanium exhaust in absentia must add up to a pretty decent chunk of absent weight, especially given how close to the limit they run these things...
unfixable things on the car dont break weight rules
you guys are totally paranoid. get over it
unfixable things on the car dont break weight rules
you guys are totally paranoid. get over it
same thing happend to schumi in year 2000 at monaco gp. but that time cracked exhaust has broken his suspension and he was out of race.
man I remember that race well. schumi was driving over 1 second faster than 2nd driver each lap. brilliant drive unlucky end.
So what are the regulations regarding what counts as weight and what doesn't? I can't believe you can get away with an underweight damaged car, or the drivers would just run superlight cars and "accidentally" take the front wings off in collisions on the cool-down lap.
Source - http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/115F0A1E47E0A282C12573FB0042CB0D/$FILE/1-2008%20F1%20TECHNICAL%20REGULATIONS%2022-02-2008.pdfARTICLE 4 : WEIGHT
4.1 Minimum weight :
The weight of the car must not be less than 605kg at all times during the Event.
4.2 Ballast :
Ballast can be used provided it is secured in such a way that tools are required for its removal. It must be possible to fix seals if deemed necessary by the FIA technical delegate.
4.3 Adding during the race :
With the exception of fuel and compressed gases, no substance may be added to the car during the race. If it becomes necessary to replace any part of the car during the race, the new part must not weigh any more than the original part.
Source - http://argent.fia.com/web/fia-public.nsf/475632E46002BEDAC125744F004312F4/$FILE/F1.SPORTING.REGULATIONS.19-05-2008.pdfThe relevant car may be excluded should its weight be less than that specified in Article 4.1 of the Technical Regulations when weighed under a) or b) above, save where the deficiency in weight results from the accidental loss of a component of the car.