2008 Turkish GP

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Saturday Final Practice:

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Pos  	No  	Driver  		Team 			Time/Retired  	Gap  	Laps
1 	10 	Mark Webber 		Red Bull-Renault 	1:27.030 		16
2 	5 	Fernando Alonso 	Renault 		1:27.172 	0.142 	13
3 	9 	David Coulthard 	Red Bull-Renault 	1:27.193 	0.163 	15
4 	7 	Nico Rosberg 		Williams-Toyota 	1:27.365 	0.335 	16
5 	2 	Felipe Massa 		Ferrari 		1:27.530 	0.500 	13
6 	11 	Jarno Trulli 		Toyota 			1:27.614 	0.584 	15
7 	22 	Lewis Hamilton 		McLaren-Mercedes 	1:27.658 	0.628 	18
8 	12 	Timo Glock 		Toyota 			1:27.733 	0.703 	22
9 	16 	Jenson Button		Honda 			1:27.766 	0.736 	16
10 	6 	Nelsinho Piquet 	Renault 		1:27.781 	0.751 	14
11 	1 	Kimi Räikkönen 		Ferrari 		1:27.837 	0.807 	14
12 	23 	Heikki Kovalainen 	McLaren-Mercedes 	1:27.849 	0.819 	13
13 	15 	Sebastian Vettel 	STR-Ferrari 		1:27.899 	0.869 	18
14 	17 	Rubens Barrichello 	Honda 			1:27.946 	0.916 	14
15 	14 	Sebastien Bourdais 	STR-Ferrari 		1:27.948 	0.918 	17
16 	4 	Robert Kubica 		BMW Sauber 		1:27.971 	0.941 	16
17 	8 	Kazuki Nakajima 	Williams-Toyota 	1:28.301 	1.271 	14
18 	21 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	Force India-Ferrari 	1:28.573 	1.543 	18
19 	3 	Nick Heidfeld 		BMW Sauber 		1:28.655 	1.625 	19
20 	20 	Adrian Sutil 		Force India-Ferrari 	1:29.131 	2.101 	19

The Renault-engined playing havoc with the fuel-loads?
 
WTF? :eek: That is one heck of a lap time by RBR and Alonso (sorry about Nelsinho :indiff:) The gap between Webber and Massa is by 0.5 sec. :eek: But to be honest, that is not really fast enough even if they ran super light. But I'm still worried over the Renault's engine blowing up during the race. The engine probably have a hard time running at those speeds during the race...... (and hence, why Alonso's engine blew up in Barcelona)
 
Muzaffar Musa
WTF? :eek: That is one heck of a lap time by RBR and Alonso (sorry about Nelsinho :indiff:) The gap between Webber and Massa is by 0.5 sec. :eek: But to be honest, that is not really fast enough even if they ran super light.
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Massa's time is almost exactly like Raikkonen's fastest from FP2. So, yes, probably a bit light - but still the fastest time set this weekend so far.

Muzaffar Musa
But I'm still worried over the Renault's engine blowing up during the race. The engine probably have a hard time running at those speeds during the race...... (and hence, why Alonso's engine blew up in Barcelona)
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You're worried about the Renault engine, which almost never broke so far (including last season's identical pieces)? Because a 2nd-race engine broke? You can just as well be concerned about Ferrari's engine, which still is a grenade in the Toro Rossos and Force Indias.
 
Lewis on hard tyres for final run, after massa blew him to pieces.

edit: WTF james allen 'and now we go back onboard with rubens barrichello' who is out last round and the camera is on hamilton's car.
 
Metar
You're worried about the Renault engine, which almost never broke so far (including last season's identical pieces)? Because a 2nd-race engine broke? You can just as well be concerned about Ferrari's engine, which still is a grenade in the Toro Rossos and Force Indias.
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Okay, point taken. :) I'm just worried that they would not be performing as good as Malaysia....

The Qualifying session was pretty much boring (with many teams choosing to go out late) and yet another Ferrari on pole. :guilty: Massa must be pretty light to run a qualifying time like that. I mean he was almost 0.1 sec ahead of 2nd place. Alonso did well, managing to qualify 7th and RBR did a good job having both cars in the Top 10. 👍 BMW seems to struggle throughout the weekend and was nowhere near the McLaren or Ferrari, just hope they do well come raceday.....
 
Actually, I think Massa's not that light - considering the fact that McLaren are probably lighter, to make up for their blunder last time at Barcelona: They qualified heavy, and paid for it when Alonso and the BMWs started ahead. A tenth is a joke - it's gained and lost in a single corner. If he was five tenths ahead, I'd say he's light. But a tenth, against a McLaren? The Ferrari is still fastest, even if not so much.

As for BMW, Kubica set a monster lap in Q2, and was very competitive throughout the qualifying-session - and four tenths behind Raikkonen isn't exactly struggling, especially if you don't know the fuel-loads. It's Nick who's struggled this weekend with his tyres - he complained about not getting enough temperature into them, hence his out-in-out laps to heat up the tyres a bit longer.
 
Well the commentator did say both BMW's were struggling with their tires taking a longer time to heat up (3-4 laps to get to racing temperature) and RBR were faster than them in Practice. But its no surprise if Kubica got up there in 5th, as he has been a qualifying specialist just like Webber. Good job for both of them getting up there. 👍 Still got to say, the race is gonna be interesting on who is running light and who is gonna make up some places during the race..... but I still doubt Massa is running lighter than both of the McLarens. Even Kimi is a few tenths behind him....
 
Metar
You're worried about the Renault engine, which almost never broke so far (including last season's identical pieces)? Because a 2nd-race engine broke? You can just as well be concerned about Ferrari's engine, which still is a grenade in the Toro Rossos and Force Indias.
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But don't forget, if an Chasis isn't really good enough, then mostly the engine has to work harder thus putting more stress on it.
 
Dissapointing qwali :( But hopefully better race for kimi, mclaren are up the pace again but how will the fuel loads be. Kimi said he made a mistake in his lap and ferrari are having a high top speed, so who know maybe we will see some overtaking tomorrow at the front for a change :)
 
Will we see a straight up battle between Scuderia pilots, I wonder? Surely, it will be a red 1-2, but who? The track & facilities look flawless, well kept. Massa had better 'bring it', as I don't see the Finn repaying him for the mighty gift in Sao Palo last year. P10 for Alonso in WDC standings, such sadness...:crazy:
 
Metar
It's Nick who's struggled this weekend with his tyres - he complained about not getting enough temperature into them, hence his out-in-out laps to heat up the tyres a bit longer.
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He needs to harness the power of the epic beard otherwise he's in trouble.

I'm pleased to see Webber up there, maybe finally he's gonna nail a season together and we can truly see what he's made out of, so far, so good.
 
Isn't it a little bit too late for Webber to shine now he's at RBR? I mean, if the 2006 Williams engine wasn't such crap (Cosworth?), that would be his chance. But ever since he moved to RBR, it always sounded like his final team to me...
 
Bram Turismo
Isn't it a little bit too late for Webber to shine now he's at RBR? I mean, if the 2006 Williams engine wasn't such crap (Cosworth?), that would be his chance. But ever since he moved to RBR, it always sounded like his final team to me...
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That's how I feel too...DC's days are numbered. Hence the low fuel hot lapping, imho, during practice. Act of desperation to 'look' impressive?
 
Metar
It's Nick who's struggled this weekend with his tyres - he complained about not getting enough temperature into them, hence his out-in-out laps to heat up the tyres a bit longer.
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The FIA are fiddling with Nick's car to make him slower. They don't want a bearded guy on the podium.
 
Raikkonen was unhappy with his final run, and said to have made a few mistakes there. Massa may be a lap lighter, but any more of that and a one-tenth lead would've been a disappointment. He had a fantastic third sector - in fact, he gained two tenths there on Kovalainen. That's not down to fuel, that's down to some good luck and a fast car.

daan
The FIA are fiddling with Nick's car to make him slower. They don't want a bearded guy on the podium.
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Alonso felt that same pressure last year, huh? Bernie's guys probably left him an electric razor, a letter of explanation and a note saying 'Choose wisely'.
 
P4 is not too bad for Kimi, obviously fuel is another question. HK did a fantastic job for P2. Massa like this circuit a lot and has done very well in the past, his race pace would be another issue but I will expect him to do well "if" he doesn't make any stupid mistakes.

It will be a very exciting turn 1 as again we have a McLaren/Ferrari staggered P1~P4
 
daan
The FIA are fiddling with Nick's car to make him slower. They don't want a bearded guy on the podium.
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So they're trying to slowly phase him out to mid-field. I guess this also explains Alonso's departure from McLaren.
 
The track should offer many overtaking chances. I am really looking forward to the race.
 
zoxxy
Weaker on the left hand side*.
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Yeah, I was for some reason imagining a right hand turn when I wrote that. :lol:

Bram Turismo
Isn't it a little bit too late for Webber to shine now he's at RBR? I mean, if the 2006 Williams engine wasn't such crap (Cosworth?), that would be his chance. But ever since he moved to RBR, it always sounded like his final team to me...
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Well RBR have a good technical team and Webber is doing a great job, so long as they keep a check on their reliability staying at RBR in the long-term isn’t necessarily a bad thing for him. But yeah, luck (or a lack of it) has been the story of his career to date and it’s probably too late to get picked up by a winning team.

DQuaN
The track should offer many overtaking chances. I am really looking forward to the race.
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Yeah, it promises an interesting fight between the McLarens and the Ferraris. I can’t wait, this is always a great track for racing. :D:tup:
 
Starting Grid/Qualifying:

http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=288612&FS=F1

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1. 	Felipe Massa 	        BR 	Ferrari 	        1:27.617 
2. 	Heikki Kovalainen 	FIN 	McLaren-Mercedes 	1:27.808 
3. 	Lewis Hamilton 	        GB 	McLaren-Mercedes 	1:27.923
4. 	Kimi Raikkonen 	        FIN 	Ferrari 	        1:27.936
5. 	Robert Kubica 	        PL 	BMW Sauber 	        1:28.390
6. 	Mark Webber 	        AUS 	Red Bull-Renault 	1:28.417
7. 	Fernando Alonso 	E 	Renault 	        1:28.422 
8. 	Jarno Trulli 	        I 	Toyota 	                1:28.836 
9. 	Nick Heidfeld 	        D 	BMW Sauber 	        1:28.882 	 
10. 	David Coulthard 	GB 	Red Bull-Renault 	1:29.959 	 
11. 	Nico Rosberg 	        D 	Williams-Toyota 	1:27.012 	 
12. 	Rubens Barrichello 	BR 	Honda 	                1:27.219 	 
13. 	Jenson Button 	        GB 	Honda 	                1:27.298 	 
14. 	Sebastian Vettel 	D 	Toro Rosso-Ferrari 	1:27.412 	 
15. 	Timo Glock 	        D 	Toyota 	                1:27.806 	 
16. 	Kazuki Nakajima 	J 	Williams-Toyota 	1:27.547 	 
17. 	Nelson A. Piquet 	BR 	Renault 	        1:27.568 	 
18. 	Sebastien Bourdais 	F 	Toro Rosso-Ferrari 	1:27.621 	 
19. 	Giancarlo Fisichella 	I 	Force India-Ferrari 	1:27.807 	 
20. 	Adrian Sutil 	        D 	Force India-Ferrari 	1:28.325

Put it all together, save Couthard's squeeze-into-Q3 attempt, and you have one of the tightest grids in recent memory: Less than 2 seconds spanning the entire grid!
 
Pupik
Put it all together, save Couthard's squeeze-into-Q3 attempt, and you have one of the tightest grids in recent memory: Less than 2 seconds spanning the entire grid!
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Meh, Q3 doesn’t count. But still, if you take everyone’s fastest times it’s 2.331s covering the entire field. Which, considering then length of the Istanbul Park circuit, is quite amazing.
 
I dont watch alot of F1 lately, so im no expert but I have a feelnig RBR have some legitimate speed this weekend, especially their sector 3 times are amazing. From what i could tell during Q3, Webber and Coulthard only did a single flying lap, but I am probably mistaken. I think they're heavy or at least got a decent amount of fuel on board
 
Got to be a Massa win. I have strong doubts as to whether Piquet is going to last the season at Renault.
 
And Jarno again in the top-8, that's a top 10 qualifying for every race now, talk about consistent qualifying 👍

Let's just hope Trulli doesn't experience that communication problem again, it costed him his 6th place at Barcelona :ouch:
 
wow, that is a very detalied map you got there.., (nods head) 👍:D

this should turn out to be an exciting race, RBR is now up in the grid with WEB and McLaren on 2nd & 3rd..,
 
Pupik
Starting Grid/Qualifying:
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Fisico will start last - three places penalty for exiting the pits too early in Friday Practice 1.

Blake
Meh, Q3 doesn’t count. But still, if you take everyone’s fastest times it’s 2.331s covering the entire field. Which, considering then length of the Istanbul Park circuit, is quite amazing.
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It's been very close for quite a while, especially in the mid-field - though Aguri dragged that margin to four seconds.
 
I'm liking that Heikki's on the front row. While I think it will be Massa, Raikkonen and Hamilton who are most likely to win it, I wouldn't be sorry to see Kovalainen on the top tier (or any tier, of that matter) come the chequered flag.
 
Hello Everybody, good to see the same people watchin. It's 7:24AM in GA right now.

Mclaren is up on the grid this week, hope they make good of it.
 
Oh, silly Hamilton.

"My first thought was, no points. Second, he could be injured and not make the next race" or words to that effect.
 

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