2009 British Grand Prix

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2009 British Grand Prix​
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Race Date: 21 Jun 2009
Number of Laps: 60
Circuit Length: 5.141 km
Race Distance: 308.355 km
Lap Record: 1:18.739 - M Schumacher (2004)
Last winner:Lewis Hamilton


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As you may all know already, Button has won all but 1 race this season so far. This boy has worked magic on the track. But he has Red Bulls, Ferraris, and even his own team mate to worry about. So, will we see another Button win? Will Ferrari score a win, much less points? Will Vettel finally get top step again? We will see.

Expect to see a lot of cars oversteering through the super fast S curves, because of all the less downforce in the rear. And expect to see the KERS cars showing their true colours out on the track.
 
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Dude, waaaay too early. We didn't start the last one until there was less than forty-eight hours until first practice and there was actually something to talk about. There's still over seventy hours until Thursday practice and nothing worth discussing that hasn't been covered elsewhere. It's not a race to create these threads, remember?
 
You may be right, but i'm sure there are some people with a mouth full to talk about. Either that or Famine will be here in a few minutes.
 
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Yeah, it's four in the morning.

But there's nothing to discuss. Yes, we've just come off the back of one of the biggest days in Formula One history, but none of it had anything to do with the British Grand Prix.
 
Trust me, we always find something to talk about at GTP. There really is never nothing to discuss, unless this thread was made a week early, like my other thread.
 
PJ-FFL
Expect to see a lot of cars understeering through the super fast S curves, because of all the less downforce.
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Understeer isn't created by less overall downforce. It's created by the downforce being unbalanced and more biased towards the rear, which hasn't really been true in 2009.
 
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Understeer isn't created by less overall downforce. It's created by the downforce being unbalanced and more biased towards the rear, which hasn't really been true in 2009.
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Indeed. And considering most of the lost downforce is in the rear, understeer probably isn't the worst problem the teams will have at Silverstone.
 
I have to say, despite the section from Copse down to the Hangar Straight being one of my favourite sections on any Grand Prix circuit, Silverstone is one of my least favourite circuits. The first section might be good, but everything else is just chicanes. Stowe is alright, but the addition of The Vale before Club Corner has just made it it slower thn it needs to be. Abbey used to be a high-speed left-hand flick, but the corner has been moved back and the right-hander immedaitely after just makes it another chicane. nd while Bridge might be decent, the Priory-Brooklands-Luffield-Wooodcote section has a history of being reprofiled to slow the cars down. Even the new "Arrowhead" configuration for MotoGP is guity of the crime: the new section leaves the track at Abbey by means of a chicane (though it rejoins at Brooklands and makes that section look interesting).

I get that the FIA wants to improve safety and that they have since 1994, but Silverstone is just ridiculous. These are the best drivers in the world that we're talking about; shouldn't they be tested on the best and most challening circuits in the world?
 
I reckon this race will be the start of the Barrichello fight back. He's my pick for the win.

Silverstone was broken after the 1973 race. It was further broken after 1985 (Rosberg's 160MPH average lap in the damp!) and then completely ruined to the point it really shouldn't be called Silverstone anymore after that.
 
I can't wait for this. I'm heading down to Silverstone on Friday for the weekend. I'd love to see a strong showing from Ferrari and a Button win.
 
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Dude, waaaay too early. We didn't start the last one until there was less than forty-eight hours until first practice and there was actually something to talk about. There's still over seventy hours until Thursday practice and nothing worth discussing that hasn't been covered elsewhere. It's not a race to create these threads, remember?
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I thought the general accepted limit is under a week before hand? Seeing as these race threads become the "current gossip" threads anyway.
Do we really need to have an argument about thread starters in every GP thread? As long as there is only one and its not rediculously early, I don't see why there should be any complaining unless someone is annoyed that they couldn't start it.

Anyway, on topic: I have my fingers crossed for Barrichello winning this, for me this race is the turning point where he will start really having to succumb to team orders if he doesn't start beating Button consistently.
Brain says Button, heart says Barrichello for this one. It will be a Brawn win undoubtedly.
 
Do you race?
Dude, waaaay too early.
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If you read through this thread, it was the general consensus that the Tuesday before the race is fine. This thread was created on 5:27am GMT on the Tuesday before the race. It's fine.

Anyway, if you have a problem with a thread, report it. Don't take it off topic.
 
The race preview from Ferrari in their official site:

http://www.ferrari.com/English/News/Pages/090615_F1_British_gp_Preview.aspx


Very interesting for several reasons, even for some technical detail. There's a "nostalgic" tone everywhere, and the way they end it (last two paragraphs) is surprising:

Racing on the home track of the majority of Ferrari’s rivals has lost some of its significance, now that the British teams get no more testing here than the Scuderia, but the red cars have always been very popular with the knowledgeable British crowd who have always given the team a warm welcome.

This weekend will be all about local boy Jenson Button and his Brawn team, while Kimi Raikkonen and Felipe Massa will be concentrating on making the most of the changes to the F60 package for this weekend, in an attempt to move up the order and out of the unusual position of underdog, which it and other usually front running teams have found themselves in so far this season.
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Being at the track every day seeing the preparation and not having tickets is making me sad :(
 
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I have my fingers crossed for Barrichello winning this, for me this race is the turning point where he will start really having to succumb to team orders if he doesn't start beating Button consistently.
Brain says Button, heart says Barrichello for this one. It will be a Brawn win undoubtedly.
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.....or expect all cars to oversteer through the s curves and fly off the track. I'd love to see a Rubens victory though, better, a ferrari win, best a force india win lol. Rubens is the closest person to winning a race, but i don't see it happening. Looks like we might have a Senna-Prost like rivalry.
 
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Looks like we might have a Senna-Prost like rivalry.
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Between Button and Barrichello? Hardly.
The most recent Senna-Prost situation was not that long ago though.....and many wish McLaren would bring it back (even Alonso mentioned he missed the rivalry).
 
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.....or expect all cars to oversteer through the s curves and fly off the track. I'd love to see a Rubens victory though, better, a ferrari win, best a force india win lol. Rubens is the closest person to winning a race, but i don't see it happening. Looks like we might have a Senna-Prost like rivalry.
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I thought all the cars were going to understeer off the track? :odd:

The cars will be fine around Silverstone, no understeering or oversteering because of the 2009 aero regulations. Proof? How about the last 7 rounds which, combined, include a huge amount of corners which all the cars were quite capable of handling.
 
Well, on the BBC website, the weather is predicted light rain for Friday and Saturday but sunny for Sunday. But this being England, it probably won't be :lol:
 
Ardius
Between Button and Barrichello? Hardly.
The most recent Senna-Prost situation was not that long ago though.....and many wish McLaren would bring it back (even Alonso mentioned he missed the rivalry).
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Are you talking Montoya and Raikkonen?
 
Most definitely.

However, I believe the McLarens and Ferraris are a good chance this weekend-KERS would work a dream here.
 
Ferrai, yes; McLaren, probably not. Silverstone is pretty quick from the start line right down to Stowe - fully half the circuit - and the MP4-24 has been pretty quick on weak circuits. Anythng they gain through slower corners like The Vale, Abbey and Priory-Luffield is going to be lost on the run from the start down all the way down the Hangar Straight.
 
I keep checking Ferrari's official site to see if they have released an official FINAL position about entering/not entering the 2010 FIA F1 championship. With no luck so far.

But doing it I find a few interesting pages. Like this one, about the first Ferrari Victory in Formula 1. At Silverstone, car driven by Froilan Gonzalez

http://www.ferrari.com/English/Scuderia/RacingHistory/First-F1-win/Pages/First_win_Ferrari_F1.aspx

Among other things in that page, here is the writeup of the race. No UK racers in that GP? It almost seems that F1 was at the time an italian/argentinian business!

The English Grand Prix was held mid-July in the year 1951. The drivers starting for Ferrari were Ascari, Villoresi and Gonzalez. The 1951 race almanac - in the chapter “First Training”, which is today’s free practice session on Friday, on 12th July 1951 - talks about the fastest lap time driven by Froilan Gonzalez in 1.43:4, followed by Fangio and Farina with Alfa Romeo.

In Saturday’s qualifying the Alfas gained the upper hand over Ferrari and the fastest lap was driven by Juan Manuel Fangio. On the starting grid the first row went to Ascari (Ferrari), Farina (Alfa R.), Fangio (Alfa R.) and Gonzalez (Ferrari), the second row to Bonetto (Alfa R.), Sanesi (Alfa R.) and Villoresi (Ferrari).

The English GP was held on 14th July over 90 laps; the track was 4.649 km long, therefore the race distance was 418.421 km. At the start Bonetto took over the lead of the pack; by the end of the first lap he was still in the front, followed by Gonzalez, Farina, Ascari, Fangio and Villoresi. On the second lap Gonzalez overtook Bonetto and held the fist position in the field until lap number nine. On the 10th lap Fangio was leading ahead of Gonzalez. This order was held until the 20th lap. On the 40th lap Gonzalez lead the race, followed by Fangio, Farina, Ascari and Villoresi. On lap 50 Gonzalez was still leading the pack with a decent lead over Fangio of 1.14, followed by Ascari, Farina and Villoresi, who was fifth. Villoresi had to retire on lap 57, while on lap 60 Gonzalez came in to get petrol for his car (pit stop of 15 seconds); when he took up the race again he was leading in front of Fangio with 56 seconds ahead of his competitor. The gap on Fangio grew to around 1.20:000 and the cars crossed the line in the following order: Gonzalez, Fangio, Villoresi, Bonetto.

The victory for Ferrari in F1 was the symbolic step for the racing team from Maranello ahead of their great rival Alfa Romeo, where Enzo Ferrari had worked for 20 years. Enzo Ferrari received the news on the phone much later, while he was in his office; the next day the President of Alfa Romeo sent a telegram, which made Ferrari even more proud of the victory achieved at Silverstone.
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EDIT: I see Parnell ended 5th in a BRM
 
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No UK racers in that GP? It almost seems that F1 was at the time an italian/argentinian business!

EDIT: I see Parnell ended 5th in a BRM
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Yep, loads of Brits in the British Grand Prix in 1951. There has never been an "English" Grand Prix. Ferrari have obviously suffered a translation fail.
 

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