2009 British Grand Prix

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Erm, no? If you haven't noticed, the track has been wet this morning and no one wants to waste engines/tyres until the track has dried out.
Please don't bring the politics into the actual racing. Just no.
 
Ardius
Erm, no? If you haven't noticed, the track has been wet this morning and no one wants to waste engines/tyres until the track has dried out.
Please don't bring the politics into the actual racing. Just no.
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Hey, all I've got is the Live Timing from Formula1.com, and because of the university firewall, it's very slow to update. We only get the race itself broadcast in this corner of the world. I had no idea of the track conditions aside from the ambient track and air temperature. I just thought something may have been up because everyone has a good idea of their setup by Saturday practice, and it struck me as odd that no-one had done anything. And I did say that it wasn't a political move, because four of the six drivers were from the FOTA teams.
 
Yeah, but if the weather is fine and the track is drying, it doesn't show it. Not unless there's commentary, and they don't give commentary for practice sessions.

Anyway, if Brawn can't touch Red Bull, this season could get very interesting. It could evolve into a season-long race to see whether Jenson Button can pick up the remainig twenty points before the likes of Vettel and Webber catch him up.
 
So, the Red Bulls still up there dominating while Jenson very barely make it into Q2. Hamilton shall start 19th, a stark contrast with last seasons' victory.
 
Nope, he's 6th. ;)

Vettel gets pole in the end, Webber 3rd. Kazuki bumps Rosberg and Button to nab 5th. And could Alonso's engineers finally have put in a sensible fuel-load? We'll have to wait and see.
 
Metar
Nope, he's 6th. ;)
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He started fourth in China and fifth in Bahrain ...

Metar
And could Alonso's engineers finally have put in a sensible fuel-load?
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Law of Averages says they had to luck out sooner or later. But wasn't Alonso on the harder tyre for most of the session? I guess he must be conserving the softer rubber for the race.
 
So that's what Ted Kravitz looks like.

I'm anticipating these car weights. I'd like Webber to be a bit heavier than Barrichello and Vettel, but I'm doubting it. I'd really like to see him win this race, there's nothing better than an Australian beating the British on their home soil :sly:
 
I'm going for an RBR win. They've been quickest pretty much everyday, so if Vettel isn't running on fumes I'd say Vettel for the win definitly.
 
Race Start Weights are on the official F1 website

1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 666.5 kg
2. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 657.5
3. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 659.5
4. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 658
5. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 652.5
6. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 657.5
7. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 661.5
8. Timo Glock, Toyota, 660
9. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 654
10. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 654
11. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 675
12. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 689.5
13. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 695.5
14. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 682.5
15. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 665.5
16. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 668
17. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 687.5
18. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 692
19. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 666
20. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 672.5
 
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Race Start Weights are on the official F1 website

1. Sebastian Vettel, Red Bull, 666.5 kg
2. Rubens Barrichello, Brawn GP, 657.5
3. Mark Webber, Red Bull, 659.5
4. Jarno Trulli, Toyota, 658
5. Kazuki Nakajima, Williams, 652.5
6. Jenson Button, Brawn GP, 657.5
7. Nico Rosberg, Williams, 661.5
8. Timo Glock, Toyota, 660
9. Kimi Raikkonen, Ferrari, 654
10. Fernando Alonso, Renault, 654
11. Felipe Massa, Ferrari, 675
12. Robert Kubica, BMW Sauber, 689.5
13. Heikki Kovalainen, McLaren, 695.5
14. Nelson Piquet, Renault, 682.5
15. Nick Heidfeld, BMW Sauber, 665.5
16. Giancarlo Fisichella, Force India, 668
17. Sebastien Bourdais, Toro Rosso, 687.5
18. Adrian Sutil, Force India, 692
19. Lewis Hamilton, McLaren, 666
20. Sebastien Buemi, Toro Rosso, 672.5
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So that means Barrichello is more favoured on the front row. Hopefully that means he'll actually win. Trulli might give him a challenge though, maybe even Nakajima, but as said, no one can truly predict the future.
 
Am I reading that right?! Vettel heaviest in top 10?!


What a lap :D
 
:lol: @ Vettel and Hamilton's fuel loads.

Good to see Nakajima showing improvement, hope he can turn it into a decent result, I would love to see him on the podium - imagine that! Doubtful, but still, anything can happen ;)
Button's up for a proper battle...but past races have shown all he has to do is not make mistakes as his rivals make many. Tomorrow won't be a test of Button's skills, it will be a test of his rival's ability to run a flawless race.
 
Metar
So, Red Bull adopt a Duck-nose, and Brawn adopt RBR's Cobra:

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Are those bumps purely for aerodynamics or is there something mechanical under there?
 
Radracing
Are those bumps purely for aerodynamics or is there something mechanical under there?
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Aero, I doubt there is anything mechanical there, they are simply copying and trying out RBR's design. It seems it didn't add much though, as they didn't use it in qualifying (from what I could see anyway).
 
Ardius
Aero, I doubt there is anything mechanical there, they are simply copying and trying out RBR's design. It seems it didn't add much though, as they didn't use it in qualifying (from what I could see anyway).
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It's mechanical in RBR's case: It's an extension to house the higher bits of the suspension. Don't know about the Brawn's version, though - and it could be mechanical too, and changed (along with most of the car) between Friday and Saturday).
 
Ardius
Aero, I doubt there is anything mechanical there, they are simply copying and trying out RBR's design. It seems it didn't add much though, as they didn't use it in qualifying (from what I could see anyway).
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THX! Maybe RBR has a pair of Redbull can dispenser in there in case the driver needs that extra boost! LOL
 
Metar
It's mechanical in RBR's case: It's an extension to house the higher bits of the suspension. Don't know about the Brawn's version, though - and it could be mechanical too, and changed (along with most of the car) between Friday and Saturday).
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Ah didn't know that, interesting. It will be great to eventually see skeleton diagrams of the cars one day, these current ones have a lot of hidden details.
 
I doubt it'll happen until the cars are eventually sold off as collector items.
 
Or there is another substantial rule change or teams feel that any secrets in the cars are no longer secret or of any use to anyone.
Granted, it won't be for a long time, but I did say "one day".
 
Considering even 21st century cars are considered to contain too many secrets to be released, despite having entirely different engines, tyres, aerodynamic concepts and gearboxes... I've always wanted a rule-change that forces teams to publish every two-season old car.
 
I think this is the first time this season that Button got beaten without having a higher fuel load. And it's by three drivers at that with Barrichello being equal. Ferrari's showing is pretty disappointing.
 
My money is on Rubens, although Vettel showed ludicrous speed with more fuel in the car, Rubens i believe is rabid for a win.

Barring some unforseen melee into turn one, RB just might get him off the line and squeek into the lead.
 
Metar
Considering even 21st century cars are considered to contain too many secrets to be released, despite having entirely different engines, tyres, aerodynamic concepts and gearboxes... I've always wanted a rule-change that forces teams to publish every two-season old car.
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Don't you mean the 20th century? Unless that drink I had earlier was a bit stronger than I thought, aren't we currently in the 21st?
 
Indeed we're in the 21st - I'm referring to cars from the 2001-ish era. They had different tyres (entirely - and some even of a different manufacturer), suspension concepts (Single keels? Who does that anymore?), engines ("just" 800HP V10s? We get that out of V8s these days!), electronics (you guys used traction-control?!), transmissions (120ms per shift? how about none?), etc, etc.

And yet they're still guarded as a secret.
 

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