2009 Grand Prix de Monaco

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Metar
I hope the RBR boys were smart enough to take a used one for Friday/Thursday practices.

Also, if I'm not mistaken, Kubica is already on his 4th engine. :eek:
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Kubica has just suffered an big blow up. :lol: I wonder if he had a new engine in or not.
 
I was going to say, Kubica's just stopped on the circuit - all I get it the text-based stream from Formula1.com - somewhere in the first sector. Where is he, exactly?
 
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I was going to say, Kubica's just stopped on the circuit - all I get it the text-based stream from Formula1.com - somewhere in the first sector. Where is he, exactly?
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He parked it not too far before turn 2.
 
current standings (Free 2):

1st Barrichelo
2nd Kovalainen
3rd Massa
4thHamilton
5th Raikkonen
6th Alonso
7th Rosberg
8th Webber
 
I won't be able to watch this one live unfortunately. I always enjoy Monaco GP. Good thing the TV channell that broadcasts the race over here offers the full race for streaming on its website afterwards.

Have you seen Massa hinting that his fuel problem at the last race was an electronic problem? It seems he had enough fuel to finish the race normally but the car's system was saying there wasn't...
 
FatAssBR
I won't be able to watch this one live unfortunately. I always enjoy Monaco GP. Good thing the TV channell that broadcasts the race over here offers the full race for streaming on its website afterwards.

Have you seen Massa hinting that his fuel problem at the last race was an electronic problem? It seems he had enough fuel to finish the race normally but the car's system was saying there wasn't...
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Would make sense, they had problems in with both stops refuelling, despite using Kimis fuel rig the second time around. He did stop out on track after he had finished though.
 
I don't know ... his pulling over to the side of the road after the race was pretty convincing. I don't think a fault telling you that you've got less fuel than you really do could cause that; if it had, I should thing it would manifest itself earlier.
 
Final Free 2 Standings:

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There's nothing quite like the Monaco hotlaps. :D

Williams, Ferrari and McLaren were impressively fast, though on the absolute limit at all times. Hamilton shredded several tyres into big clouds of smoke, and all had their share of whoa that could've been big moments. Also, with current laptimes being just one second off on a very green track, we might just see a new lap record once the Porsches and GP2s get some rubber down.

Jackington
It appears his engine just blew too. :scared:
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That was his 5th, and it's gone, then. He looks like a strong runner to be the first with an engine-use penalty... Not all his engines blew, but 3 did - Malaysia, now, and one at Shanghai.

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I don't know ... his pulling over to the side of the road after the race was pretty convincing. I don't think a fault telling you that you've got less fuel than you really do could cause that; if it had, I should thing it would manifest itself earlier.
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F1 electronic systems will shut the system down if they detect a malfunction in order to prevent damage. Running lean, or without fuel, can and will damage, if not completely detonate, the engine - so as soon as the system senses there isn't enough fuel to carry on, it will stop the engine. That is, if the team was stupid enough not to tell the driver to turn it off himself (or refuel, if possible).
 
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Even just watching practice is exciting this year - the cars powersliding ever closer to the barriers.

It's amazing nobody ended up in the wall - about 10 people went off at St. Devote, 5 at the chicanes on the harbourfront, and 1 at Mirabeau. In other words everywhere with run-off!

Can't wait for qualifying, I reckon anyone not in a force india or toro rosso has a chance to get on the front two rows. Depends who is feeling brave.

The race probably won't be a classic but so what?
 
Metar
There's nothing quite like the Monaco hotlaps. :D

Williams, Ferrari and McLaren were impressively fast, though on the absolute limit at all times. Hamilton shredded several tyres into big clouds of smoke, and all had their share of whoa that could've been big moments.



That was his 5th, and it's gone, then. He looks like a strong runner to be the first with an engine-use penalty... Not all his engines blew, but 3 did - Malaysia, now, and one at Shanghai.



F1 electronic systems will shut the system down if they detect a malfunction in order to prevent damage. Running lean, or without fuel, can and will damage, if not completely detonate, the engine - so as soon as the system senses there isn't enough fuel to carry on, it will stop the engine. That is, if the team was stupid enough not to tell the driver to turn it off himself (or refuel, if possible).
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Ian Phillips of Force India was doing the commentary in 2nd Practice on the BBC and he said that when Trulli hit Sutil in Spain it wiped out his radiators and then the engine was left running for 9 seconds without any oil at all.

They asked the FIA to give them a dispensation over the loss of the engine but they said hard luck but 8 engines is 8 engines.
 
All it requires is one live onboard lap of Monaco to reinforce my love of this circuit 👍
The cars are all over the place, thank the lord for banning traction control!
 
Thank the OWG, actually. Their changes shifted balance to the front under jaw - the front wing gains downforce under modest angles, while the rear loses some - and that got the drivers sliding like madmen. :p
 
True, the cars are really harking back to the older eras nowadays, in fact F1 in general is going back to the "good old days" right now..... no longer do we have dominant manufacturers, we have promises of bigger grids next year with more privateer teams, we have cars with little sponsorship on them (though thats not going to last) and so on.
 
A very interesting read, today's press conference with Williams, Haug, Mallya and Theissen.

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/5/9380.html


Noteworthy:

- Different replies from Theissen and Frank Williams on the "did you know ferrari had veto power?"

- On this, twice Frank Williams mentions higher powers than the FIA. Once specifically mentions "Brussels"

- BMW more evasively, Force India and Williams ... agree with the existence of a cost cap

- Ferrari's intention to retire from Formula 1 is considered serious
 
I was just reading that before, Frank certainly does not sound happy with Williams' current performances from practice to race (unsurprisingly).

This is quickly becoming a question that someone needs to answer in detail:
What is Williams doing wrong? From what I can see there are problems across the board from strategy to driver's not doing well enough (Nakajima mostly). There is no reason why Rosberg can't easily qualify 4th with that car but they can never seem to manage it, the car seems very quick on different fuel loads in the race so clearly Q3 shouldn't be a problem.
Nakajima isn't a slouch either, he was pretty good last year in races but this year he's lost all that reliability somewhere, he still has that occasional speed though.

I keep watching out for Williams each race, expecting them to surprise in qualifying but they are always disappointing. If there is one place where they might have a chance, its Monaco, especially if they get lucky with traffic and lots of bad luck for their rivals. I won't be holding my breath for them though, they clearly need to sort something out in that team because the car looks reasonably good, at least as good as if not better than the Ferrari or Toyota.
 
Yep, I noticed that too. FW used a word I don't know - I could understand some sarcasm involved, but didn't quite get what he was implying.

So ... can you define "showboating" to a non native english speaker? Please? :dunce:
 
Hun200kmh
Yep, I noticed that too. FW used a word I don't know - I could understand some sarcasm involved, but didn't quite get what he was implying.

So ... can you define "showboating" to a non native english speaker? Please? :dunce:
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Just basically means they're showing off for a bit of attention.
 
Thanks. I didn't bother looking, really, but I did just that with the most intriguing expression I read in that press-conference, also from Williams. It was "fit of pique". . Now I know what it means. :D


PS - I guess I must pay closer attention to what Frank Williams says, my knowledge of the english language can only benefit from it. ;)
 
I'd say Williams is not working enough on their long-stint setups. It seems that the cars are well enough set up for qualifying runs with low fuel loads, but once the car is filled up with a full tank and the race setup, the pace seems to be gone into thin air.

It's a pity, I was hoping Williams would return to their old form back in the Montoya-Ralf days this season :(
 
I never knew why, but why is monaco's first practice on thursday rather than friday?
 
Ardius
All it requires is one live onboard lap of Monaco to reinforce my love of this circuit 👍
The cars are all over the place, thank the lord for banning traction control!
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Just wait until next year when the front tires will be noticeably smaller than the rears. The drivers will have a much easier time when catching these slides, which means we'll see more of it :D
 
I remember seeing the 2007 hot laps at Monaco compared to the 2008 ones. In 2007 the cars were really smooth and easy to control at all times, but in 2008 the cars were just hell to drive. Traction Control really does alot at Monaco.
 
PJ-FFL
I never knew why, but why is monaco's first practice on thursday rather than friday?
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I believe it's because they used to open the streets back up on Fridays. This was in the days when the kerb around Massanet was still open to pedestrians; obviously, it's impractical now given that it takes three weeks to set everything up, though they might be able to open a few roads up.
 
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I believe it's because they used to open the streets back up on Fridays. This was in the days when the kerb around Massanet was still open to pedestrians; obviously, it's impractical now given that it takes three weeks to set everything up, though they might be able to open a few roads up.
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I thought that as well, but yesterday one of the commentators said that the Monaco Grand Prix usually coincides with a bank holiday, which is on the Friday each year. Besides, they can't open up the streets while the GP2 cars are running around!
 

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