2010 F1 Magyar Nagydíj

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I'm thinking this weekend's race should suit the Red Bull team more than any other but after the dominant and somewhat surprising performance of the Ferrari last weekend, it isn't a easy call.

If the Ferrari does manage to outperform again, the rest of the season is looking ominous and contrived to say the least. The only benefit for Red Bull and McLaren is that they will have two other podium spots to fill because, I can't imagine Massa is going to be firing on all cylinders now that he's been confirmed as the number two driver.

The one advantage to this track is that it is not so easy to overtake which means a bonsai karate chop lap by Kubica could prove to be enough to win or at least podium. Likewise, a good qualifying performance for anyone is going to pay dividends and so Saturday will be exciting.

1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Vettel
 
Ferrari's early season engine issues may come back to bite them late in the season mind. Not all the circuits ahead suit their car either and their form has been pretty bad really so far (in terms of strategy, ability, etc). One could argue they've had the pace to beat Red Bull since Monaco but they've failed to really capitalise till now.
The relationship between Massa and Alonso can only get worse, Ferrari have really given themselves all their own problems (except the unfortunate Valencia safety car of course).
I don't think its going to be a straightforward fight for the championship even from here. All 3 teams have differing strengths and weaknesses.
 
Alan_G
I'll go for Hamilton. His kind of circuit. (I'd love if Schumi won, but the car is too crap for that)
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Last year Brawn GP was a winning car and this year their (Mercedes) car is "crap". Mmmm. How is that possible?
 
Ardius
Ferrari's early season engine issues may come back to bite them late in the season mind. Not all the circuits ahead suit their car either and their form has been pretty bad really so far (in terms of strategy, ability, etc). One could argue they've had the pace to beat Red Bull since Monaco but they've failed to really capitalise till now.
The relationship between Massa and Alonso can only get worse, Ferrari have really given themselves all their own problems (except the unfortunate Valencia safety car of course).
I don't think its going to be a straightforward fight for the championship even from here. All 3 teams have differing strengths and weaknesses.
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Apart from the engine issues comment I completely agree. With the engines; now they've been allowed to revamp them (and let's face it - it's Ferrari so they might have a better engine with more power now too :lol:) they should be back on track with the engine usage comparatively speaking and so the early season woes should be behind them.....

(queue contrary data that proves Ferrari have one engine left for the rest of the season.....)
 
Just hoping rubens his car will not fall apart again...

For the race most likely:
1. Alonso ... (Ferrari seems fastest way clear and the prize then will be done already)
2. Massa ...
3. Hamilton
4. Vettel
5. Webber
6. Kubica
7. Button
8. Barrichello
9. Schumacher
10. Hulkenberg
 
Fastas
Apart from the engine issues comment I completely agree. With the engines; now they've been allowed to revamp them (and let's face it - it's Ferrari so they might have a better engine with more power now too :lol:) they should be back on track with the engine usage comparatively speaking and so the early season woes should be behind them.....

(queue contrary data that proves Ferrari have one engine left for the rest of the season.....)
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Revamp them? The problem Ferrari have with engines is that they already used 4 up by Turkey. I don't know what you're referring to by "revamp them" but there is little Ferrari can do to make the engines last longer other than run them at lower revs and carefully choose where they use engines (as some circuits are more demanding than others).
I think its very likely that a couple of the Ferrari-powered cars will have to use extra engines by the time we get to Abu Dhabi. They (Scuderia Ferrari) had 4 fresh engines each left after Turkey plus a couple each that were used but not blown.
 
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Both Ferraris were on their sixth engines in Germany, as were Vettel's Red Bull. The rest of the front runners are on five and i is quite probable that a few of them will use engine No 6 in Hungary.

http://www.vivaf1.com/engine.php
 
Predictions?

I predict the McLarens and RBRs to be good here... McLarens had quite a success here since 2007 while the Red Bulls can be really good with their better aerodynamics package. All I want this weekend is less no so called team-orders and more track entertainment. Overall, a must watch race!

Weather predictions: We could have a dry Friday Practice session, light rain for qualifying but dry race. As always, weather could change.
 
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Hmm, I don't think you should expect lots of on track action at the Hungaroring and there wasn't any at Hockenheim, so I wouldn't mind some more politics :lol:.

Hungary has always managed interesting results though and the race winners have always been different. Only a few people have won it twice or even consecutively. Hamilton, Alonso and Button have already won here before so probably Webber, Vettel or Massa are the most likely. I'd say Alonso looks a dead cert after Hockenheim and the current pace of the Ferrari (its been fast for a while now).

McLaren are not in the picture on pace, they will be hoping for some rain I think though only for qualifying, they still need to carry out some decent dry testing on the new diffuser/exhaust setup. Its also quite bumpy which doesn't suit the MP4-25.
Red Bull are always fast but this track won't suit them so much as there are few high speed corners.
I think Ferrari will once again be right up there with Red Bull.

If it rains during qualifying, then McLaren, Renault or Mercedes (or even a surprise like Kobayashi or someone) could take pole and win in a dry race. But otherwise its a predictable win barring idiotic strategies or teammate collisions for Red Bull or Ferrari. A wet race is a complete lottery :lol:, but you'd have to put money on Button or someone making the clever calls.

The lack of dependencey on downforce gives another chance for Lotus to possibly get into Q2, especially if they are using newer Cosworth units which some extra power in them. But I think Virgin and Senna will be close to Lotus again as Virgin continue to upgrade their car's pace.

I expect Force India, Mercedes and Williams to struggle. Renault have a chance again here I think. Sauber are unknown as their pace is very Toyota-ish (i.e. no rhyme or reason to it, it appears). Toro Rosso have never really shone particularly anywhere.

I'm also half expecting engine failures at this point in the season, though I think most teams will run brand new engines here to try and make the most of the track layout.
 
I'd like to see Hamilton up there, but after McLaren's performance in Germany it isn't looking likely. One thing that has really stood out to me this year though is the development rate that the teams are going at. The Red Bull's have always been the car to beat, but then the McLarens caught them and fell back and now the Ferrari's seem like they are on the pace. It's going to be a close season I think, probably between Alonso, Vettel and Hamilton
 
I may sound pretty ignorant right now. But Ferrari has had one good race, and now everyone is calling them the team to beat. Why is that?
 
You fail to recognise that Ferrari have been far from reaching their potential in the 3 races before Hockenheim. The car was there, the fortune was not.
 
I'm hearing that the (bad) Brazilian media are now depicting Massa as betraying the nation? 👎

astrosdude91
I may sound pretty ignorant right now. But Ferrari has had one good race, and now everyone is calling them the team to beat. Why is that?
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Maybe because we saw they had pace at Montreal, Valencia and Silverstone? Or have we just forgotten their horrible luck with safety cars? Alonso could have won at Montreal if he wasn't so dopy with backmarkers, and both drivers were screwed by the safety cars at the other two races.
Besides, I don't recall anyone saying they were the "team to beat". I'd say that was McLaren.
 
Furthermore I've heard that 8 teams are using flexible aero that the FIA hasn't noticed but people and drivers in the paddock have :lol:
 
I'd LOVE to see rain. It makes things even more exciting.
 
Alex.
Furthermore I've heard that 8 teams are using flexible aero that the FIA hasn't noticed but people and drivers in the paddock have :lol:
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That's the difference between tests and actual racing.
 
Ardius
Hmm, I don't think you should expect lots of on track action at the Hungaroring and there wasn't any at Hockenheim, so I wouldn't mind some more politics :lol:.

Hungary has always managed interesting results though and the race winners have always been different. Only a few people have won it twice or even consecutively. Hamilton, Alonso and Button have already won here before so probably Webber, Vettel or Massa are the most likely. I'd say Alonso looks a dead cert after Hockenheim and the current pace of the Ferrari (its been fast for a while now).

McLaren are not in the picture on pace, they will be hoping for some rain I think though only for qualifying, they still need to carry out some decent dry testing on the new diffuser/exhaust setup. Its also quite bumpy which doesn't suit the MP4-25.
Red Bull are always fast but this track won't suit them so much as there are few high speed corners.
I think Ferrari will once again be right up there with Red Bull.

If it rains during qualifying, then McLaren, Renault or Mercedes (or even a surprise like Kobayashi or someone) could take pole and win in a dry race. But otherwise its a predictable win barring idiotic strategies or teammate collisions for Red Bull or Ferrari. A wet race is a complete lottery :lol:, but you'd have to put money on Button or someone making the clever calls.

The lack of dependencey on downforce gives another chance for Lotus to possibly get into Q2, especially if they are using newer Cosworth units which some extra power in them. But I think Virgin and Senna will be close to Lotus again as Virgin continue to upgrade their car's pace.

I expect Force India, Mercedes and Williams to struggle. Renault have a chance again here I think. Sauber are unknown as their pace is very Toyota-ish (i.e. no rhyme or reason to it, it appears). Toro Rosso have never really shone particularly anywhere.

I'm also half expecting engine failures at this point in the season, though I think most teams will run brand new engines here to try and make the most of the track layout.
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Monaco isn't exactly a fast circuit, but Webber dominated. Because of their funny constant-exhaust system, the object that generates approximately 50% of the downforce on the car is working full-time, and as such corners like turn 4, 7, 8, and 10 will see them have ridiculous apex speeds.

Then the F-duct on the straight will negate the Monaco style downforce.

Result? Some silly laptimes.
 
Practice results:

1 Sebastian Vettel 5 Red Bull-Renault 1:20.976
2 Mark Webber 6 Red Bull-Renault 1:21.106
3 Robert Kubica 11 Renault 1:22.072
4 Jenson Button 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.444
5 Rubens Barrichello 9 Williams-Cosworth 1:22.601
6 Pedro de la Rosa 22 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:22.764
7 Fernando Alonso 8 Ferrari 1:22.772
8 Nico Rosberg 4 Mercedes GP 1:22.777
9 Michael Schumacher 3 Mercedes GP 1:22.792
10 Nico Hulkenberg 10 Williams-Cosworth 1:22.966
11 Adrian Sutil 14 Force India-Mercedes 1:23.003
12 Felipe Massa 7 Ferrari 1:23.007
13 Vitaly Petrov 12 Renault 1:23.249
14 Kamui Kobayashi 23 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:23.327
15 Paul Di Resta 15 Force India-Mercedes 1:23.520
16 Sebastien Buemi 16 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.780
17 Jaime Alguersuari 17 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.868
18 Lewis Hamilton 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.075
19 Jarno Trulli 18 Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.032
20 Heikki Kovalainen 19 Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.210
21 Timo Glock 24 Virgin-Cosworth 1:25.990
22 Lucas di Grassi 25 Virgin-Cosworth 1:26.686
23 Bruno Senna 21 Hispania-Cosworth 1:26.990
24 Sakon Yamamoto 20 Hispania-Cosworth 1:28.157


Somethings telling me that Red Bull are gonna walk this GP.
 
I'm gonna go with that 'something' being the fact that RBR are a second faster than 3rd place and 2 seconds faster than 10th place, even though they are likely to be running just as much fuel as everyone else.
 
But wouldn't that make their advantage greater if they're a second faster on the same fuel loads?
 
PeterJB
Practice results:

1 Sebastian Vettel 5 Red Bull-Renault 1:20.976
2 Mark Webber 6 Red Bull-Renault 1:21.106
3 Robert Kubica 11 Renault 1:22.072
4 Jenson Button 1 McLaren-Mercedes 1:22.444
5 Rubens Barrichello 9 Williams-Cosworth 1:22.601
6 Pedro de la Rosa 22 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:22.764
7 Fernando Alonso 8 Ferrari 1:22.772
8 Nico Rosberg 4 Mercedes GP 1:22.777
9 Michael Schumacher 3 Mercedes GP 1:22.792
10 Nico Hulkenberg 10 Williams-Cosworth 1:22.966
11 Adrian Sutil 14 Force India-Mercedes 1:23.003
12 Felipe Massa 7 Ferrari 1:23.007
13 Vitaly Petrov 12 Renault 1:23.249
14 Kamui Kobayashi 23 BMW Sauber-Ferrari 1:23.327
15 Paul Di Resta 15 Force India-Mercedes 1:23.520
16 Sebastien Buemi 16 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.780
17 Jaime Alguersuari 17 Toro Rosso-Ferrari 1:23.868
18 Lewis Hamilton 2 McLaren-Mercedes 1:24.075
19 Jarno Trulli 18 Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.032
20 Heikki Kovalainen 19 Lotus-Cosworth 1:25.210
21 Timo Glock 24 Virgin-Cosworth 1:25.990
22 Lucas di Grassi 25 Virgin-Cosworth 1:26.686
23 Bruno Senna 21 Hispania-Cosworth 1:26.990
24 Sakon Yamamoto 20 Hispania-Cosworth 1:28.157


Somethings telling me that Red Bull are gonna walk this GP.
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Something told me that in Germany but they didn't. :p
 
PeterJB
Somethings telling me that Red Bull are gonna walk this GP.
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Something tells me times set in Free Practice - especially the first session - don't count for anything. Half an hour into the second session, and Ferrari have already pegged back half Red Bull's fastest time.
 
waggles
Monaco isn't exactly a fast circuit, but Webber dominated. Because of their funny constant-exhaust system, the object that generates approximately 50% of the downforce on the car is working full-time, and as such corners like turn 4, 7, 8, and 10 will see them have ridiculous apex speeds.

Then the F-duct on the straight will negate the Monaco style downforce.

Result? Some silly laptimes.
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Its easy to dominate Monaco when: Alonso took himself out, McLaren still hadn't caught up and you grab pole. Kubica was the only threat and the Renault never had the same kind of pace, it just beat everyone else other than Red Bull.
Ferrari have a real chance of taking pole here, of course Red Bull will be strong regardless but their strength is high speed corners not slow speed - Ferrari's advantage is slow speed cornering and traction out of the corners as we saw at sector 3 in Hockenheim.
Even if Ferrari don't take pole or the front row, expect a big charge for the 1st corner.
 
After watching FP2 it seems to me that the Red Bull's will grab pole if things go there way. But of course tommorow is when it counts. I was a bit suprised to see the Ferrari's a bit off pace considering this is a circuit which should suit the F10 particularly well, but I think it's been validated that Adrian Newey has managed to dramatically improve the low speed traction and mechanical grip of the new RB6 over last years chassis in an impressive fashion....now making it a much better overall package than last years car, with its only weak link really being it's rather underpowered Renault powerplant (which is one of the most fuel efficient motors though).

It should be interesting to see what tire strategies Ferrari and RBR go with in Q3 as they might be able to lock out the front two rows even on hards. Even if either Webber or Vettel grab pole it should be an interesting dash down to turn 1 if the Ferrari's start right behind. Last race we saw how poorly both the Bull's starts were compared to both Massa and Alonso. Hopefully for Ferraris' sake, Vettel and Webber will flop again now that they are finally feeling a bit of pressure from Ferrari. Should be a fantastic weekend of racing :)
 
PeterJB
Somethings telling me that Red Bull are gonna walk this GP.
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Well, the Hungaroring is basically Monaco without the buildings and waterfront. So it would be insanity to expect a different result.
 
Great shot of the RBR EBD 👍

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astrosdude91
Well, the Hungaroring is basically Monaco without the buildings and waterfront. So it would be insanity to expect a different result.
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Well, you must be insane for ignoring the key points Ardius brought up :lol:

Not mention the fact that you are completely ignoring the development advancements (particularly Ferrari) have made since Monaco.
 
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I guess so.

I'll say that Ferrari will have a strong finish. But it will still be a Red Bull 1-2 I think.

Even the McLaren drivers are admitting that they won't do very well here. They said they were at optimal performance, but they were struggling to get into the low 1:21's when the Red Bulls were getting into the low 1:20's.
 
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Well being that I am a Ferrari nut hugger, I hope not :sly: :lol:
 
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Well being a Red Bull fanboy, I say RB 1-2 for every race!:lol:

I'm a fan of Top Gear on Facebook, and on the Friday before the race, they let you predict the podium and post it on your status. Every single prediction for me has been a Red Bull 1-2. And every pick for my friend has been a McLaren 1-2. We both have no idea why we still do that. I know what he is going to pick, he knows what I am going to pick. It's pointless!
 
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