2010 F1 Magyar Nagydíj

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Even the McLaren drivers are admitting that they won't do very well here. They said they were at optimal performance, but they were struggling to get into the low 1:21's when the Red Bulls were getting into the low 1:20's.

Yea I think Mclaren will be facing a mighty uphill battle this weekend, as their car is a bit of a pig on tight bumpy circuits like this, where the driver must also use the curbing a lot to maximize the lap time as well. Mclaren's mechanical grip (what they've been quite good at in previous years) has suffered this year now that they are trying to get the most out of their huge/extreme DDD by running a very low and stiff suspension setup...so on circuits like this it is no suprise to me that they are rather lack luster especially with the MP4/25's lengthy wheel base.

IMO, Mclaren are in a bad position at the moment as they have stagnated in their development process and more importantly I don't see their package as having a lot of pontential (especially when looking at how radical their DDD is atm), or room for improvement, especially compared to the Ferrari which is comparatively simply looking in design yet has proven to perform exceptionally well. For the Championship this could make things very interesting as Mclaren try and fend off Ferrari and RBR from slowly but surely clawing points back. Of course the pace of the cars doesn't mean everything as we've seen thus far in the season, as Mclaren have really capatilized on their consistency and reliability, AND luck.

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I can't help but feel like the BBC are advocating team orders now...
 
:mad:...i'm really getting fed up with Speed TV's coverage of F1 and their need to take commerical breaks every frickin 5 minutes. :crazy: Anyone else feel the same? :banghead:
 
:mad:...i'm really getting fed up with Speed TV's coverage of F1 and their need to take commerical breaks every frickin 5 minutes. :crazy: Anyone else feel the same? :banghead:

I experienced the exact same thing last week when I'm watching ALMS through SPEED. Commericials every 5 or not 10 minutes. I have yet to watch their F1 coverage but I heard lots of bad feedback. Not going to spend a time there... Very unfortunate for American viewers.
 
What a lap by Vettel that was stunning ,looks like a good race tom. unless Red Bull actually don't screw up.
 
Red Bulls over 1 second faster than everyone else. Looks like tey're walking to a 1-2 tomorrow. If Webber and Vettel don't take each other out again.
 
OMFG...what has happened to RBR's pace relative to Ferrari since just 1 week ago!? There pace today was absolutely disgusting (in a good way) :crazy: All I know is that the FIA need to ban Adrian Newey from Formula 1 :lol: And what an immense lap from Vettel 👍 Webber could not even think aobut touching him today...
 
Vettel's lap times were just plain LUNACY. 2 and a half hundredths off the record. Both Renault drivers (Kubica and Petrov) did great in comparison to some of the "higher" tier teams like McLaren.
 
Was an uneventful qualifying I think... Shame that Kobayashi didn't made it to Q2 in such a cruel way that one of the HRT I believe impeded him. This is the first time I think Glock and Virgin finally qualified in front of both Lotuses but the race is another story.

Overall, the Red Bulls are like 1 step ahead of others. Seems like an uneventful race tomorrow... I have to give credits to Massa though. Life threathening incident last year, come back again a year later with high hopes and 4th position is not bad at all!
 
Vettel and Webber DEMOLISHED the rest of the pack in qualy!!! I'm very happy!

I am a bit nervous about that first turn though. But if nobody passes the Red Bulls at turn one, then I think we'll walk this race!
 
That was quite possibly the most predictable pole position of all time! Kobayashi didn't have to yield in the end as the HRT didn't really get in his way, and what the hell is up with Button? Some of his qualifying performances have been alsolutely useless this year, gotta be the 3rd time he's been out in Q2.
 
Since everyone seems to be so sure of an RBR win, I'll swim against the stream and say one of the Ferraris will take it.
 
Well, in 16 years of watching F1, I've never seen the top team so far ahead at this stage of the season. There's no doubt Vettel is a great driver, and did a very good lap today. And the Red Bull team & Newey should be praised for the brilliant car they've made.

But I can't help feel that F1 has never been less "sport" than ever before, at least as long as I've watched it, all because one of the teams managed to interpret the technical design rules better than everyone else (I'm mostly referring to this front-wing stuff, in particular the very telling slow-motion replays). It's always been a team/technical sport, and this is something that makes it fun. But this goes way past it for me.

I don't blame the individual drivers, nor the individual teams. I think the FIA, along with the teams association (and drivers association to lesser extent) should take the blame for this, and have a responsibility to shake up this damn sport properly, for once and for all, and bring it back to the best drivers being able to make the difference and make the race wins, or championship wins.

The cars still have way too much aerodynamic grip. This creates two problems; it makes it really hard to follow/overtake, and it limits the special drivers from driving special races (the ones who have that kind of 6th sense of the limit, i.e. a Senna, a Schumacher, and also a Hamilton in my opinion) - it means that going beyond the limit generally means running wide, rather than drivers being rewarded with speed for finding the grip limit, and not ending up in the gravel.

The irony is that there's never been a more talented set of F1 drivers. It's frustrating to see so many quality drivers unable to do anything because their car doesn't have the aero package.
 
Hopefully Alonso will be able to pick off one of the Bull's before turn 1 or possibly pressure both numpties into crashing into eachother :sly: :lol:

That was quite possibly the most predictable pole position of all time! Kobayashi didn't have to yield in the end as the HRT didn't really get in his way, and what the hell is up with Button? Some of his qualifying performances have been alsolutely useless this year, gotta be the 3rd time he's been out in Q2.

Nothing new....his qualy performances in the 2nd half of last season were nearly all flops as well :lol: I will say I was impressed with his qualifying performance last weekend at Hockenheim, but I am interested to see how he performs relative to Hamilton in qualy from here on out. Personally, I think his days for a title bid are likely over at this point as his odds of beating Hamilton alone are slim to none.
 
Hoping for rain and some early lap shenanigans and reliability issues to liven up what could be a boring race tomorrow. For the points it will be interesting to see what damage control Hamilton can do. Hopefully Webber can put pressure on Vettel.

Race pace for the front teams will be a bit closer but the gaps are ridiculous. This track is not good but at least it can be tough if the field is close to force a mistake.

Well done Red Bull but I'd rather see another team fighting them as it's getting to a point where they need to sort one driver to lead.
 
I don't blame the individual drivers, nor the individual teams. I think the FIA, along with the teams association (and drivers association to lesser extent) should take the blame for this, and have a responsibility to shake up this damn sport properly, for once and for all, and bring it back to the best drivers being able to make the difference and make the race wins, or championship wins.

The cars still have way too much aerodynamic grip. This creates two problems; it makes it really hard to follow/overtake, and it limits the special drivers from driving special races (the ones who have that kind of 6th sense of the limit, i.e. a Senna, a Schumacher, and also a Hamilton in my opinion) - it means that going beyond the limit generally means running wide, rather than drivers being rewarded with speed for finding the grip limit, and not ending up in the gravel.

The irony is that there's never been a more talented set of F1 drivers. It's frustrating to see so many quality drivers unable to do anything because their car doesn't have the aero package.

Yeah in a way I agree, but I still think this season will have a great finish. Red Bull clearly have the best car on the more technical tracks like this one. But they haven't taken full advantage of their speed, they should easily be 1 and 2 in the driver's championship but they aren't. With Spa and Monza coming up after this race I can see McLaren coming back to form as they have a massive speed advantage along the straights.

About the whole F1 clearing up their acts I totally agree. I don't think that there is too much of a problem with the amount of aero the cars have, but if the double diffusers were banned i'm sure we would see cars being able to follow each other closely. The front wings seem to be at the center of attention at the moment but that to me looks like the only major area where teams can generate such a massive advantage in terms of downforce. I don't know what kind of regulations would need to be imposed to stop teams using these crazy double diffusers but they disrupt the air behind them more than anything. The rear wings are tiny compared to what they used to be.

The problem is though, from what I have read about the rules for 2011 the FIA have been mentioning bringing back the KERS system and giving drivers a moveable aero part to reduce their downforce when they are following another driver. That just sounds rubbish, I don't want to see a driver being able to overtake someone because they have a boost button, I want to see a driver being able to follow another and overtake them properly by using their racing craft. More power and less downforce is the way to go in my opinion.
 
Well, in 16 years of watching F1, I've never seen the top team so far ahead at this stage of the season. There's no doubt Vettel is a great driver, and did a very good lap today. And the Red Bull team & Newey should be praised for the brilliant car they've made.

But I can't help feel that F1 has never been less "sport" than ever before, at least as long as I've watched it, all because one of the teams managed to interpret the technical design rules better than everyone else (I'm mostly referring to this front-wing stuff, in particular the very telling slow-motion replays). It's always been a team/technical sport, and this is something that makes it fun. But this goes way past it for me.

I don't blame the individual drivers, nor the individual teams. I think the FIA, along with the teams association (and drivers association to lesser extent) should take the blame for this, and have a responsibility to shake up this damn sport properly, for once and for all, and bring it back to the best drivers being able to make the difference and make the race wins, or championship wins.

The cars still have way too much aerodynamic grip. This creates two problems; it makes it really hard to follow/overtake, and it limits the special drivers from driving special races (the ones who have that kind of 6th sense of the limit, i.e. a Senna, a Schumacher, and also a Hamilton in my opinion) - it means that going beyond the limit generally means running wide, rather than drivers being rewarded with speed for finding the grip limit, and not ending up in the gravel.

The irony is that there's never been a more talented set of F1 drivers. It's frustrating to see so many quality drivers unable to do anything because their car doesn't have the aero package.

Your memory is quite short my friend, single team dominance is nothing new. In the year you started watching, 1994, Benetton won 7 of the first 11 races!.....see also 1996, 2002, 2005, 2006 & 2009.
 
Well, I've just received some very grim news. I'm supposed to go over to my friends house, since he is the only person I know who has SPEED Channel. But this morning, he randomly decided that he wants to go to Austin for the weekend, and he won't be back until tomorrow evening. So, I have no way of watching the race tomorrow. Which sucks because this race will be a very good one for Red Bull, and I'm going to miss it.
 
Predictions:

Bum start for Red Bulls... Alonso up into first, dicing amongst RBR team-mates, Lewis overtaking Massa and hounding Webber all race, Vettel and Alonso colliding somewhere at low speed behind a safety car* and having spectacular fisticuffs, Lewis puncturing Webber's right rear tire and having to finally pit for a new front wing. Massa winning the race, with all the other top five drivers out.

:D




And Jenson Button second, with Kobayashi third. :D :D :D



*this is not wishing for an accident, merely a prediction. I do hope for fisticuffs, however.
 
Predictions:

Bum start for Red Bulls... Alonso up into first, dicing amongst RBR team-mates, Lewis overtaking Massa and hounding Webber all race, Vettel and Alonso colliding somewhere at low speed behind a safety car* and having spectacular fisticuffs, Lewis puncturing Webber's right rear tire and having to finally pit for a new front wing. Massa winning the race, with all the other top five drivers out.

:D




And Jenson Button second, with Kobayashi third. :D :D :D



*this is not wishing for an accident, merely a prediction. I do hope for fisticuffs, however.

Now _that_ is a race I would enjoy watching (as opposed to the probable procession from start to finish without any overtaking whatsoever.

Edit : Except for a Kubica, Button, DLR podium
 
Right, having used an F1:CE simulation to determine the winner, I can tell you that it will 100% definately be Christijan Albers in the Midland.
 
Well, in 16 years of watching F1, I've never seen the top team so far ahead at this stage of the season. There's no doubt Vettel is a great driver, and did a very good lap today. And the Red Bull team & Newey should be praised for the brilliant car they've made.

But I can't help feel that F1 has never been less "sport" than ever before, at least as long as I've watched it, all because one of the teams managed to interpret the technical design rules better than everyone else (I'm mostly referring to this front-wing stuff, in particular the very telling slow-motion replays). It's always been a team/technical sport, and this is something that makes it fun. But this goes way past it for me.

I don't blame the individual drivers, nor the individual teams. I think the FIA, along with the teams association (and drivers association to lesser extent) should take the blame for this, and have a responsibility to shake up this damn sport properly, for once and for all, and bring it back to the best drivers being able to make the difference and make the race wins, or championship wins.

The cars still have way too much aerodynamic grip. This creates two problems; it makes it really hard to follow/overtake, and it limits the special drivers from driving special races (the ones who have that kind of 6th sense of the limit, i.e. a Senna, a Schumacher, and also a Hamilton in my opinion) - it means that going beyond the limit generally means running wide, rather than drivers being rewarded with speed for finding the grip limit, and not ending up in the gravel.

The irony is that there's never been a more talented set of F1 drivers. It's frustrating to see so many quality drivers unable to do anything because their car doesn't have the aero package.

Wait what? You haven't seen team dominance before and you want to "bring back" the focus on drivers? And you think aerodynamic grip stops overtaking?

1. Team dominance is nothing new in F1. In fact, whats been more surprising the past 3 or 4 years is that more than 1 or 2 teams have been competitive! To say you have watched F1 for 16 years and not seen team dominance is like saying you have watched football for 16 years and never noticed Manchester United have a lot of money. Williams, McLaren, Benetton Ferrari....they have all dominated the past 30 years at some point or other.

2. The focus was never on the drivers. The focus has always been on the teams. This is not the "FIA's doing", it has been this way forever. Lotus, Brabham and Tyrrell dominated for years with their technological advancements. It was never just driver skill that won championships, you had to have a good car and team. Fangio didn't win in the worst car. Neither did any of the World Champions. F1 has never changed in this respect - I don't see where people get the impression the "good old days" didn't rely on the teams to do the work.

3. Aerodynamics help the cars turn faster and faster. Therefore, taking them away means the cars can't turn corners faster. The idea is that relying on aerodynamics makes the cars difficult to race side by side when in the wake of the car in front but frankly this isn't really because of aerodynamics in general, its more because of the current aerodynamics. You can have aerodynamics which allow cars to follow each other. I will agree the rules need to be altered to help the wake of cars but to blame it all on aero and scrap it entirely isn't solving the problem. There is little proof - watch GT racing, is it always better racing? Not really. Brno is Brno, its always boring. The aerodynamics of those cars is far less but still they can end up in processional races. Its a bit better than F1 most of the time though not to the extent where you can say "ok, aerodynamics are the only problem". I would also argue that some other series have a lower level of skill involved at times, where most of the action is sometimes caused by accidents and poor driving rather than necessarily better rules and regulations.

Formula 1 has always had dominant teams, yes its frustrating at times if your favourite drivers cannot do anything when their car isn't as good. But thats part of the game, if you don't like it then don't watch F1. My interest with drivers is seeing what they do when they have and don't have the best machinery. Can Vettel or Webber make the most of their machinery and win? Can Button and Hamilton overcome poor(er) machinery? The battle of teams trying to perfect their aerodynamic packages is one of the few technological interests left. Take away that and all we have is a spec series. Is it fairer? Probably.
The problem with spec series is that inevitably a particular car and setup will always favour some drivers over others. Say you gave everyone on the grid the same car, but it was an understeer-style car. It would favour Jenson but not favour drivers like Schumacher and Hamilton. You could say that a good driver can drive around such issues, but even so, they are already at a disadvantage having to do that and therefore its not a "fair" comparison of skill.

I love F1 because of the team aspect. A driver needs to work with his team to develop the best package to win and the battle of drivers and engineers has much more depth to it. I could argue too that a driver has a better chance to win in F1 compared to GP2 or Formula Renault or Indycar or whatever because he can direct the development of the car more to his style. They are not stuck having to adapt to the same car as everyone else.

I'd also like to hear you name one motorsport where the driver's skill is the only thing that makes the difference. All motorsports are team sports. All motorsports rely on the best driver and car combination to win. WRC - Citroen, Le Mans - Audi and Peugeot, IndyCar - Ganassi, Penske, Andretti......
 
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RBR are too fast :eek:

But I think in race they won't be 1sec a lap faster or I hope so. Race pace of Mclaren is ok and Ferrari also. Hamilton needs to get pass Felipe baby in the start. Good job by Nico. MS needs to retire.
 
Ardius... do you ever agree with anything?
 
Ardius... do you ever agree with anything?

Of course.
I believe the last thing I agreed with was I think Fastas saying Massa was a bit silly to think he wouldn't eventually come across team orders after his rubbish 1st half of the season.
:p
 
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