2010 Italian Grand Prix

Here is Webber completing a lap of Monza in the Red Bull Simulator



Vettel's lap



And for our spanish friends


 
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A lot can happen in six races; I think the top 5 drivers are still in it; though I am 'hitching my wagon' to Mark Webber's car :)

P.S. I do not like those driver comparisons; especially of those who have passed away; rule changes and techno advances especially in safety over the years make comparison difficult :grumpy:
 
A lot can happen in six races; I think the top 5 drivers are still in it; though I am 'hitching my wagon' to Mark Webber's car :)

P.S. I do not like those driver comparisons; especially of those who have passed away; rule changes and techno advances especially in safety over the years make comparison difficult :grumpy:

I think ferrari and Alonso will win this time at Monza. But yeah, Webber is more likely to win the championship
 
This is a crucial weeked for Ferrari it seems (although each race from here on out will be as well if they manage to stay in the hunt).

Domenicali had this to share with the 'Corriere dello Sport', "Should Monza go really badly and Red Bull’s lead continues to increase, then on Monday we will begin to use all of our staff and resources for the project of next season’s car."
 
Looking forward to this race. Always a good racetrack :D
 
I think it should be kept in mind that the Brawn story only happened due to:
1. A big regulation change and the non-compulsory introduction of KERS which single-handedly crippled all the major teams from the previous years.
2. Honda giving up on 2008 very early and investing huge amounts of money into 2009, going as far as testing at 3 different windtunnels, testing different solutions! The BGP001 may well be the most expensive F1 car ever developed, if not the most expensive in aerodynamic development (as opposed to the days of turbo engine and suspension developments.)
3. The double diffuser loophole which the other 7 teams chose to ignore - Ross had highlighted it as a potential problem only to be shotdown.

The fall in form for the team this year can also be explained. As BAR and as Honda, this team has always seemed to have had brief flashes of brilliance when serious money was invested but then always fallen back in the years afterwards. They have always struggled for consistent front-running form. It was thought that bringing in Ross would help change that, and it seemed like it had but you have to wonder now that its happening again what the problem is.
Perhaps Jorg Zander (aero designer, left near the end of 2009, left F1 completely) was a bigger piece in their success?

Its quite possible the team may return to its 2007/2008 days...which would indeed put it behind teams like Lotus who are on the rise.

Actually thinking about it, its kind of weird how its going the way of the BAR to Honda buyout. They came off 2004 and 2005 with great results (like 2009) then progressively fell back in 2006 (like now). Are Mercedes going to sell it before 2013 (supposed big regulation changes) and the Brawn story happens again? :p

I don't think so, obviously they did begin developing the Brawn car well before the end of the 2008 season, but hasn't it already been said that Mercedes are now working on their car for 2010? I think quit the opposite, it would surprise me if Mercedes aren't competing for a world title next year. But back to this race, I think McLaren will be the most dominant here along with Force India (that thing was a missile n the straights at Spa). If results do go this way then it should make for a very tight end to the season, with the majority of the rest of the tracks suited to the Red Bull. Ferrari just seem to be the average car, quite good at all tracks, but nothing special.
 
I watched the full 2009 highlights earlier (I missed the race last year):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8979654.stm
(UK viewers only)

One thing I noticed was how aggressive Vettel was racing, pushing 2 cars onto the grass when defending his position; Liuzzi and Kubica if I remember correctly (They both had to concede and lift off, walls are too near the track to risk).

And whilst under pressure, Hamilton crashed on the last lap of the race. I don't like how people are writing off any of the top 5 drivers, they all stand a very good chance of winning and they have all proved they are capable of winning and beating the other drivers around the same track in the same conditions. Webber and Vettel have the fastest car, Alonso and Hamilton are outstanding drivers in terms of speed, so from that point of view Button looks like an underdog, not in the fastest car and definitely not the fastest driver. But he's still right up there.
 
I'm hoping for a Force India win in Monza. The car showed very good straight line speed at Spa and that might just pay off at Monza.

If straight line speed is anything to go by, I'm betting some money on both Renaults. At Spa Webber wasn't even coming an inch closer while slipstreaming Kubica. Awesome stuff!
 
It's hilarious how bad the Mercedes is in a straight line. They were the fastest next to Force India last year, and this year they have what is supposedly the most powerful engine, with Mclaren-Mercedes and Force India-Mercedes consistently topping the speedtrap times. But they have always lagged behind... Is this because of their new revolutionary air intake, creating too much drag?

I think Force India have a better chance here than they did in Spa. Last year Sutil was hampered because he got stuck behind Raikkonen in the Ferrari (Which had KERS, so it was near impossible to overtake). He qualified second and his qualifying lap was not so clean. Liuzzi had only stepped into the car that weekend and he qualified 7th, which is pretty amazing considering how Badoer and Fisichella struggled in the Ferrari so much later in the season. Sure it's different this year, but they still have a great top speed advantage over their rivals.

Red Bull are going to struggle compared with how they did at Spa. I think this will be the first (And perhaps the last) race of the season where there is a Red Bull-free front row.

Ferrari has also demonstrated that it has a very aerodynamically efficient car, always right behind the Mclarens and Force Indias on top speed. I feel Massa and Alonso will challenge the Mclarens for the front row of the grid. Throw in Kubica, Sutil and the Red Bulls right behind and you have one exciting race weekend ahead.

I'm going to go for a Mclaren 1-2 with Massa taking the last spot on the podium. The order of the Mclarens depends on if it rains in the race or not :)
 
This GP should be very interesting with it probably being red bulls weakest of the year. Im a Webber fan and im thinking that he should be able to get the better of Vettel who seems to be turning into a worse driver as the year progresses and looks set to crack under the pressure, with any luck he will take Hamilton out at the same time as he wrecks himself :P

I can see an Alonso win this weekend although I would rather Button be on the top step as unless there is rain I think the best Webber can hope for is a podium. Im going to go for Sutil as a dark horse winner which would be fantastic to see.
 
It's hilarious how bad the Mercedes is in a straight line. They were the fastest next to Force India last year, and this year they have what is supposedly the most powerful engine, with Mclaren-Mercedes and Force India-Mercedes consistently topping the speedtrap times. But they have always lagged behind... Is this because of their new revolutionary air intake, creating too much drag?

I think Force India have a better chance here than they did in Spa. Last year Sutil was hampered because he got stuck behind Raikkonen in the Ferrari (Which had KERS, so it was near impossible to overtake). He qualified second and his qualifying lap was not so clean. Liuzzi had only stepped into the car that weekend and he qualified 7th, which is pretty amazing considering how Badoer and Fisichella struggled in the Ferrari so much later in the season. Sure it's different this year, but they still have a great top speed advantage over their rivals.


Red Bull are going to struggle compared with how they did at Spa. I think this will be the first (And perhaps the last) race of the season where there is a Red Bull-free front row.

Ferrari has also demonstrated that it has a very aerodynamically efficient car, always right behind the Mclarens and Force Indias on top speed. I feel Massa and Alonso will challenge the Mclarens for the front row of the grid. Throw in Kubica, Sutil and the Red Bulls right behind and you have one exciting race weekend ahead.

I'm going to go for a Mclaren 1-2 with Massa taking the last spot on the podium. The order of the Mclarens depends on if it rains in the race or not :)

Red Bull will own again. Just wait and see.
 
I think we will see a Red Bull take poll. They've done it for almost every other race, with the exception of Canada (But they still got 2nd and 3rd on the worst Red Bull track in the season), so don't count them out, even if the track doesn't suit them.

As for the race, it will probably be McLaren on top, most likely Hammy. But sheer determination will keep at least Mark near the top; that guy's a fighter! And I think Vettel will be looking to redeem himself, so watch out for him too.*

*No Vettel crashing into other people comments.
 
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And I think Vettel will be looking to redeem himself, so watch out for him too.
Yes, stay out of his way if you don't want an early retirement! :lol:
 
I knew someone would make that joke the second I typed it. I should have put a disclaimer next to it.
 
No worries, dude! I've added an asterisk, so I guessed you snuck in.
 
Looking forward to Monza. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ferrari doing well
 
There might be some showers over the weekend, should be interesting :dopey:
 
Showers of Carbon Fibre from whoever gets in Vettel's way :D
 
Monza is quicker than Spa, the layout of chicanes and long straights really should suit McLaren with few fast corners for RBR to gain in. It'll be a fascinating weekend.
 
Red Bull's hopes lie in staying ahead of Renault and Ferrari... or hoping that Renault and Ferrari can get ahead of Mclaren. Force India might also be a thorn in their side.

Best case scenario for Red Bull is one of the RBRs gets second on the front row. Really best case scenario is that it's Vettel behind Hamilton.

The race will end with a Webber-Button-Koohbika 1-2-3. (okay... so it's the third Vettel joke... but I just couldn't resist...)

But in all honesty, I expect a Hamilton win here. Best suited car to the track, fastest guy. If it doesn't rain, the situation shouldn't change. And even if it does, it shouldn't... unless it rains again halfway through qualifying.
 
No friday practice reports?
 
It's pretty impressive how much wing the cars equipped with the F-duct are able to get away with. It looks to be paying off for some so far, although I can see it being removed from Button's car tomorrow considering Hamilton's performance so far. However it's definitely paying for for RBR and Vettel, it seems.
 
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It's pretty impressive how much wing the cars equipped with the F-duct are able to get away with. It looks to be paying off for some so far, although I can see it being removed from Button's car tomorrow considering Hamilton's performance so far.

What does this mean? :confused:
 
I mean that while Button's car (which was equipped with the F-duct) was fast, it could possibly be faster without the F-duct, based on Hamilton's (who was not using the device) pace. Hamilton was able to achieve a higher top end speed, even without the F-duct, and lap the circuit faster. It is only Friday practice, so we'll see how the weekend goes.
 
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Either that or Hamilton is simply a better driver. :D
 
Let's look at the weather forecast:

Friday Practice 1 and 2, Dry and hot

Saturday Qualifying, Sunny, maximum 26 Celcius, minimum 14 Celcius

Sunday, Mostly cloudy, maximum 26 Celcius, minimum 14 Celcius
 
Friday practice:

From GP Update.net

Fernando Alonso has revealed that he and Ferrari were running a different amount in fuel in Monza's second practice session to the first one in Italy on Friday. With Sebastian Vettel leading the way for Red Bull, the local Tifosi were pleased to see the red cars move up from eighth and ninth to second and third on the day's final timesheets.

With a best effort of 1:22.915 at the classic venue, 2007 Monza winner Alonso ended the day just under a tenth off Vettel's leading pace. However, the Spaniard does admit that fuel amounts must be taken into account.

“We are pleased with what we achieved in these two free practice sessions,” he began. “We tried different aerodynamic configurations and now we must study the data carefully to make the right choices for tomorrow and Sunday.

“Between the two sessions we made some changes on the car, which seem to have moved us in the right direction, but we must keep in mind that we ran with various difference fuel levels.”

And from Speed:

Vettel, whose driving and maturity have been widely questioned since an incident with Jenson Button two weeks ago in Belgium, set the pace in Friday's second Formula One practice at Monza after recording the second quickest lap in P1.

Vettel's time of 1:22:839 in the Red Bull RB6 was enough to edge out the Ferrari duo of Fernando Alonso (1:22:915) and Felipe Massa (1:23:061).

McLaren teammates Lewis Hamilton and Jenson Button rounded out the top five.

Despite his fast time, the news was not all pleasant for Massa.

With 22 minutes left in the 90-minute session - and just after moving to the top of the leaderboard - the Brazilian ran off track.

Massa managed to avoid any major damage but his practice was effectively over.

Trouble came in a different form for championship runnerup Mark Webber, whose Red Bull retired early because of water pressure issues.

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Webber, three points behind Hamilton in the World Championship, finished sixth fastest.

Meanwhile, Mercedes' woes continued as Nico Rosberg and Michael Schumacher clocked in just 10th and 14th best, respectively.

Should be another good race; cheering for Webber:)
 
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