2011 Formula 1 Korean Grand Prix

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Peter.
Lewis is, though not as clearly as it used to be, in terms of pure speed, the faster driver of the lot. But he has been suffering from severe brain fade all season, we all know, which is why Button is so much further ahead in terms of wins, podiums, and points.
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Well, forgive me if I think the ability to keep a cool head is one of the factors that influences a driver's speed. The fact is, that Hamilton's head is in the wrong place. And it's hurting his results. So it's fairly clear that he is not faster in terms of pure speed. But feel free to marginalise a driver's traits to prove a point. It's like saying Ferrari are the fastest team because they've won the most World Championships, even though they don't have the fastest car.
 
Hamilton beat Button in 2010 and has been in front of Button for most of this season until about Hungary. Still he has out-qualified Button 10-5 this season. 'nough said
 
F1 fan
We already had a safe pit entrance. It was borderline, but it was safe. There were no accidents barring Petrov's self inflicted spin into the barrier.
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Yeah. Just watching P2 and I see that they have moved the inside wall back a little bit.
 
ROAD_DOGG33J
Hamilton beat Button in 2010 and has been in front of Button for most of this season until about Hungary.
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Right, because champtionship points are only awarded until the end of July. How silly of me to forget.

ROAD_DOGG33J
Still he has out-qualified Button 10-5 this season. 'nough said
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And there are no championship points on offer for pole position (of which Hamilton has none), much less out-qualifying your team-mate. On Sundays, when it counts to be fastest, Jenson Button has the upper hand.
 
prisonermonkeys
Right, because champtionship points are only awarded until the end of July. How silly of me to forget.


And there are no championship points on offer for pole position (of which Hamilton has none), much less out-qualifying your team-mate. On Sundays, when it counts to be fastest, Jenson Button has the upper hand.
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Not sure if it's that Australian charm of yours but uh...do you have to be rude all the time, I understand what you're getting at but seriously you're ego is just...well just wow. Could we keep these F1 threads civil, we have enogh GT5 and FM4 war on this forum to go around for all of us the next year and half plus more. I agree with you but almost cringe doing so cause you come of and excuse my french...but as an ass.
 
It's sarcasm. And well-deserved. Sure, Lewis Hamilton was in front of Jenson Button until Hungary - but he's not anymore. What on earth does it prove? Why on earth should we disregard the results from the six races since then?

As for you, do you have to be so high-and-mighty about it all? You are well aware that if you think something needs attention from the moderators, you should use the report post function instead of driving a thread off-topic. You are not a moderator, so stop pretending to be one. At least my response was based on the content of the post I was responding to, not the person posting it. Play the ball, not the man.
 
prisonermonkeys
It's sarcasm. And well-deserved.
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I understand that but you and I both know you could have taught them a lesson in a more polite way. You know your facts (most times) so just saying why breathe fire down there back? Either way your point is valid and true.

@ROAD_DOGG33J Hamilton can say he beat button in 2010, but as of now in 2011 this modern age Button is beating lewis. Lewis can only say he truely beat Button once the point tally at the end of the season shows him ahead (if he can actually do it at all). Last part
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
why breathe fire down there back?
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He had it coming for suggesting we should forget the six most-recent race results (as the saying goes, you are only as good as your last race) to prove a point. It was, for want of a better word, a stupid thing to say.
 
The one to cross the finish line first is the fastest. The race is longer than just one lap (even though qualifying is important to some extent). :)
 
Sureboss
No, it was blind, just because we didn't have an accident didn't mean it was safe.
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No more dangerous than any of the blind turns at Monaco, Singapore or any other track that F1 goes to. Casino square and the kink in the tunnel at Monaco come to mind. As does the new turn one at Silverstone. There are a lot more. It wasn't dangerous.

ROAD_DOGG33J
Hamilton beat Button in 2010 and has been in front of Button for most of this season until about Hungary. Still he has out-qualified Button 10-5 this season. 'nough said
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Are you forgetting that Button has 2 dnf's this season through no fault of his own? Button has been the better driver this year. Qualifying is a weak spot, but he's proven himself more than capable of making up the difference in a race. And that's what counts.

Jimlaad43
Yeah. Just watching P2 and I see that they have moved the inside wall back a little bit.
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You're a marshall. What's your take on it? Dangerous, borderline or fine. I'd go for one of the latter, but if it is borderline, it is in good company with many other corners on the calendar.
 
prisonermonkeys
Right, because champtionship points are only awarded until the end of July. How silly of me to forget.


And there are no championship points on offer for pole position (of which Hamilton has none), much less out-qualifying your team-mate. On Sundays, when it counts to be fastest, Jenson Button has the upper hand.
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Because championship points are awarded for pure speed and consistency, luck, etc. has nothing to do with it.

Clearly, my definition of pure speed is different. Pure speed is about the ability to extract the most out of the car over a single lap. Hamilton could do that over multiple laps. Though lately especially, yes Button has been faster in the races.

prisonermonkeys
He had it coming for suggesting we should forget the six most-recent race results (as the saying goes, you are only as good as your last race) to prove a point. It was, for want of a better word, a stupid thing to say.
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5 if you include Hungary.

If Hamilton has a reputation for extracting every ounce of performance out of the car over his career, I don't see why I should disregard that in comparing him with Button. I think it's too early to tell whether Hamilton's slump is temporary, the car doesn't suit him, etc.
 
Sohvakettu
The one to cross the finish line first is the fastest. The race is longer than just one lap (even though qualifying is important to some extent). :)
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Well, you can get by with a little help from your friends: One of the most controversial pole times ever recorded...nobody knows the real answer.

http://www.grandprix.com/gpe/drv-bravit.html

He did win a race, so maybe he did earn that pole on merit.
 
@F1 Fan
The best solution is too move the pitlane to the infield. But with what they've got, they should move the entry to turn 16, and drive all up the inside of turn 17.
 
Jimlaad43
@F1 Fan
The best solution is too move the pitlane to the infield. But with what they've got, they should move the entry to turn 16, and drive all up the inside of turn 17.
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Thanks, but what is your honest opinion of things as they stood one year ago? It was possibly a danger spot, but not much different from many corners that are deemed perfectly fine.
 
F1 fan
No more dangerous than any of the blind turns at Monaco, Singapore or any other track that F1 goes to. Casino square and the kink in the tunnel at Monaco come to mind. As does the new turn one at Silverstone. There are a lot more. It wasn't dangerous.
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Except the racing line doesn't cross the blind pit entrance at Silverstone or any of your other irrelevant examples.
 
Sureboss
Except the racing line doesn't cross the blind pit entrance at Silverstone or any of your other irrelevant examples.
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That may be a problem if the pitlane was actually on the exit of that corner, but as there is an elongated run in to the pitlane after the corner, it's not really a problem. That is why my examples are relevant. You're just making mountains out of molehills here

It's no worse than the pit entrance at Montreal.
 
Jimlaad43
@F1 Fan
The best solution is too move the pitlane to the infield. But with what they've got, they should move the entry to turn 16, and drive all up the inside of turn 17.
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For the record - I don't really think the pitlane entry is dangerous but if they absolutely had to move it though, I think the best (and easiest) solution would be to use the second pitlane after turn 3, rather than constructing a brand new building on the opposite side of the current one. :dunce:
 
Jackington
For the record - I don't really think the pitlane entry is dangerous but if they absolutely had to move it though, I think the best (and easiest) solution would be to use the second pitlane after turn 3, rather than constructing a brand new building on the opposite side of the current one. :dunce:
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I think he meant construct a new pitlane entry, rather than the pitlane itself. That would be a massive undertaking.
 
Expect some weak races of Vettel to let Webber get some points too.
 
noisiaturismo
Expect some weak races of Vettel to let Webber get some points too.
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You do realize that Vettel has a chance to match Schumi's record for most wins in a season? I don't think he's going to just let that slide to help Webber. Plus, he now has no pressure on him. I wouldn't be surprised if he wins all of the remaining races. Or at least three of them.
 
Yes, Vettel is known to be very aware of the current records regarding wins, poles, fastest laps. He wants to go after all those records so I don't think he will "give" any.
 
So as we all know that yesterday Nico Rosberg was involved in an incident with one of the Toro Rosso, however now he received a fined of €10,000 which €5,000 of those is suspended... All because of turning up late to the stewards.

There are reports that McLaren has re-built Button's chassis overnight and now looks to be ready for FP3.
 
akmuq
Can't wait for this. Button pole and Button win is my prediction.
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I don't see any reasonable basis for that prediction, especially that early into the week. Had you seen three rounds of practice and saw Button consistently dominating it would be one thing, but not only had no rounds of practice yet taken place but Button just isn't normally the guy at the top, even in regards to just the McLaren drivers. Lewis almost always puts in faster laps than Button, so based on that alone I wouldn't bet on Button for pole.
 
prisonermonkeys
The fact that Button has won more races than Hamilton (3-2), has been on the podium more often than Hamilton (6-2; including wins it is 9-4), and has more points than Hamilton (210-178) suggests that he is the faster driver.
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I know what you are saying. Many people were expecting Hamilton to dominate Button but after coming to Mclaren Button has gained some respect. Having said that Lewis Hamilton is a faster driver, I think most people know that even guys in Mclaren. He just makes stupid mistakes and is little hard on his tyres. Button is smooth and looks after his tyres better than most drivers.
 
IceMan PJN
I don't see any reasonable basis for that prediction, especially that early into the week. Had you seen three rounds of practice and saw Button consistently dominating it would be one thing, but not only had no rounds of practice yet taken place but Button just isn't normally the guy at the top, even in regards to just the McLaren drivers. Lewis almost always puts in faster laps than Button, so based on that alone I wouldn't bet on Button for pole.
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Well as of right now with 20 mins to go in p3 he's the fastest of everyone...

EDIT: Yep. End of FP3 and Jenson Button is fastest of all.
 
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prisonermonkeys
Right, because champtionship points are only awarded until the end of July. How silly of me to forget.


And there are no championship points on offer for pole position (of which Hamilton has none), much less out-qualifying your team-mate. On Sundays, when it counts to be fastest, Jenson Button has the upper hand.
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But that's only because of Lewis' head being in the wrong place. Your equation is points=speed, the more points you have, the faster of a driver you are, which is not necessarily true. If Lewis' mindset was right, rest assured the championship wouldn't have been decided as yet, even now.
 
Peter.
But that's only because of Lewis' head being in the wrong place. Your equation is points=speed, the more points you have, the faster of a driver you are, which is not necessarily true. If Lewis' mindset was right, rest assured the championship wouldn't have been decided as yet, even now.
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But mindset is a factor in speed. Lewis might have raw pace, but if he doesn't have the other things needed to be a good f1 driver, than he won't do as well. And he hasn't. Simple as that.
 
InvincibleM5
So as we all know that yesterday Nico Rosberg was involved in an incident with one of the Toro Rosso, however now he received a fined of €10,000 which €5,000 of those is suspended... All because of turning up late to the stewards.

There are reports that McLaren has re-built Button's chassis overnight and now looks to be ready for FP3.
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F1 now has payment plans?

Just started watching P3, 20 minutes delayed as I finally got out of bed... At 4pm, and wow, I forget how grey Korea is.
 
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