2012 Formula 1 Monaco Grand Prix

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It will go down as pole because grid penalty is applied after qualifying.

This is different from Hamilton's incident in Barcelona. He was disqualified from qualifying.
 
dhandes
On the James Allen website, he said it will go down as a Webber pole, as that will be the list submitted by the FIA at 1pm tomorrow.
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Ah, that's interesting... so obviously penalty's are applied then its officially logged for the history books.

Centura
It will go down as pole because grid penalty is applied after qualifying.
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...and now I'm confused again!
 
Famine


Go Fatjohn.
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He has indeed looked very much like the man to beat this weekend. I think he was 2/10 up already at T1 on his last lap in Q3 but was held up, otherwise we wold have had another first time polesitter.
 
Prince.M5


Maldonado really deserved the penalty. That was extremely stupid by him and yeah, I really thought the 'immature' Maldonado has gone but seems like it just came back. I'm disappointed with that, personally.

EDIT: Also, Maldonado has just changed his gearbox so that means.. He will start last?
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Yes, that's the bad Maldonado back, unsurprisingly for me. And Williams elects to change his gearbox before the race. Five place penalty will put him 24th now.
 
Centura
It will go down as pole because grid penalty is applied after qualifying.

This is different from Hamilton's incident in Barcelona. He was disqualified from qualifying.
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Surely, all grid penalties are applied after qualifying?

It would be the same as any infringement that occurred in qualifying, for example cutting a chicane, thus gaining time and getting pole. A penalty would be applied and pole denied. Whether the penalty is hanging over from a previous race or given at that event.
 
hornet_burnout
So... Does this mean Maldonado will start 24th (last) or penultimate ahead of Perez which actually didn't log a time?
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I would guess he starts last, as the penalties are applied after qualifying. How the mighty have fallen.
 
Doesn't matter if everybody behind him didn't set a lap time, he will start last now.

Now I'm thinking, will Sauber and Perez start from the pit to avoid any possible first corner shenanigan? I think that will be a smart move tomorrow if they decided to.

hornet_burnout
Anyway, I now know 2 drivers that will go for a 1 stop, surelly.
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I think Kovalainen was one of them as I remember reading that earlier this week. Did you list out Perez? He's also could be the one for the 1 stopper.
 
I think last, considering Vettel starts 9th (benefiting from Maldonado's penalty) even though he didn't set a time in Q3
 
When was the last time two team mates had equal fortunes during a race and finished close together? Except for Lotus
 
Wait... Just realized, wasn't Perez the driver hit by Maldonado on FP3? Is that what caused his wheel malfunction and the crash?


Prince.M5
Doesn't matter if everybody behind him didn't set a lap time, he will start last now.

Now I'm thinking, will Sauber and Perez start from the pit to avoid any possible first corner shenanigan? I think that will be a smart move tomorrow if they decided to.



I think Kovalainen was one of them as I remember reading that earlier this week. Did you list out Perez? He's also could be the one for the 1 stopper.
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Perez and Maldonado surelly. Button, Vettel, Kovalainen most likelly..
 
hornet_burnout
Wait... Just realized, wasn't Perez the driver hit by Maldonado on FP3? Is that what caused his wheel malfunction and the crash?
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Maybe. No one can say for sure. Surprised at the reaction towards Maldonado. 100% his fault but a few people are completely discounting the fact that it was most definitely an accident. Guess he's just a popular guy to hate. This is racing. Accidents happen all the time. Let's not go on a witch hunt.
 
I don't know whether this is just me or whatever but a slow motion head on footage as the car came out of turn 14, it seems like the front left wheel (the one in question) was pointing straight while the right one was pointing on the steering direction which was to the right.

It could be because the car bounced off the curb, you know.. Could perhaps, indeed he had a steering problem.
 
It could also have been caused by his previous shunt with the same barrier in fp3.
 
F1 fan
Maybe. No one can say for sure. Surprised at the reaction towards Maldonado. 100% his fault but a few people are completely discounting the fact that it was most definitely an accident. Guess he's just a popular guy to hate. This is racing. Accidents happen all the time. Let's not go on a witch hunt.
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Seriously?

That was the wheel that took the hit. That's 99% certainty for me that the reason it failed was because of that hit.

It was not intentional yes, I stated that previously, and that a penalty was a bit too much.

But it wasn't accidental either, as if he hadn't seen him or something. It was a rather gross driver error, a perfectly avoidable, hard to excuse from a professional F1 racing driver, driver error. From which another driver almost certainly may have ended up crashing for.

Not a witch hunt. Just Pastor back to being Pastor.


edit: Perez radioed after the crash that his front left had something wrong and couldn't turn. So yes, it failed.
 
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But like I said, it could well have had something to do with Sergio hitting the barrier in fp3. It was a fairly heavy impact. Or it could have been both. Or maybe even a random failure. Perez hit the wall on the exit of the first swimming pool chicane in fp3.

As for Pastor, has there been a statement from him regarding the collision? Fuji tv doesn't have much in the way of a pre show, so I haven't heard his side of the story. It is quite possible that he thought he had enough room, like Hamilton thought at spa last season.

My point is that when someone like Alonso, Hamilton or button make a mistake, people tend to give them the benefit of the doubt. Unless there's something I'm missing here, I can't say Pastor is getting the same benefit of the doubt.
 
dhandes
Surely, all grid penalties are applied after qualifying?

It would be the same as any infringement that occurred in qualifying, for example cutting a chicane, thus gaining time and getting pole. A penalty would be applied and pole denied. Whether the penalty is hanging over from a previous race or given at that event.
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In your example, they would disqualify that lap, which is what happened to Hamilton last year. He cut a chicance and got an advantage, so that lap was disqualified and they used his other lap in Q3 to determine his qualifying position.
 
Centura
It will go down as pole because grid penalty is applied after qualifying.

This is different from Hamilton's incident in Barcelona. He was disqualified from qualifying.
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^ This is correct. Shumi and Hamilton earlier in the year both get the pole counted as far as records go. Last race however was Hamilton being excluded because McLaren broke the rules that are applied to qualifying.
 
Agreed... Maybe because he hasn't earned it yet. One race sure isn't enough for me.

I thought it was the other Sauber, Kobayashi. Or maybe they both went there?

Anyway, no penalty IMO since there was no intention.
 
hornet_burnout
Agreed... Maybe because he hasn't earned it yet. One race sure isn't enough for me.

I thought it was the other Sauber, Kobayashi. Or maybe they both went there?

Anyway, no penalty IMO since there was no intention.
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Kobayashi also had a fairly big shunt at a different corner. Those Saubers must have tough suspension.

Edit: Maldonado showed his potential in Spain. There's an excellent driver there, but he has a lot of flaws that need to be ironed out. More so than most drivers who enter the sport. If he can do it, maybe he'll be a championship contender one day. It's a big if though. I'd been hoping Spain would give him the confidence he needs and in all fairness, he performed well today, incidents aside.
 
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Since you asked, Pastor on the incident:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/99916

"With no apparent damage to either car, Maldonado questioned whether his punishment should have been bigger than that of Michael Schumacher's in Spain, where the Mercedes driver crashed into Bruno Senna, causing both cars to retire from the grand prix."

So there should be a scale. Clip front wing, 1 position. Tear off a wheel, 2 positions and so on? :)

"I was trying overtake him and I lost the car," he said. "Maybe I was too optimistic on the throttle on cold tyres, because it was my first lap with a new option and I was trying to recover the car, it got too much grip and I touched his front left wheel. That's it."



I can't see that but... Let's move on. On to the race tomorrow!
 
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Just watched a replay, and what a lap by Schumacher! Shame about the penalty, but good to see that it will go down as a pole position, despite having to start 6th.
 
Peter.
Just watched a replay, and what a lap by Schumacher! Shame about the penalty, but good to see that it will go down as a pole position, despite having to start 6th.
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Anyone know where I can watch an onboard video of Schumacher's pole lap?
 

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