2012 Indian Grand Prix

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SilverArrow
But they don't, if you aren't happy with how much praise he gets, then go find another channel to watch where Hulkenburg is the only driver they talk about. There's no point complaining if you're just going to keep watching it.
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But they do. I guess we will have to agree to disagree.

I don't care particularly much about Hulkenberg. The only reason I bring him up is because he's di Resta's teammate.
 
Dennisch
Quoted for the sad truth. Again.
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My DVR mysteriously failed to record this one (will qualifying only) but after noting a mere 14 pages, I suppose I didn't miss much.

They can't all be great...still looks like a fun track, though.
 
Pupik
My DVR mysteriously failed to record this one (will qualifying only) but after noting a mere 14 pages, I suppose I didn't miss much.

They can't all be great...still looks like a fun track, though.
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No, you didn't.

However, I would watch the first lap and Hamilton's pit stop.

I love the track, but I fear it will never produce a good race.
 
The circuit is too tight and twisty to provide overtaking at any place other than the first sector. But DRS has to be so stupidly effective that it makes the overtakes incredibly predictable as soon as the driver behind gets a decent run out of turn 2/3.

Even the Hungaroring has better overtaking opportunities.
 
I love the layout of the track and it actually seem to challenge the drivers and punish them somewhat, but for overtaking opportunities they couldn't have made a worse job.

Other than the ridiculous long straight in S1, there are no other overtaking opportunities, unless:

  1. A driver makes a mistake, which will very, very rarely happen because the drivers are never pushing to the limit because of the silly tyres.
  2. There's a massive pace difference, but why risk diving up the inside when you can fly past them with DRS?
Straight between Turn 16 and 1: Too short. Entry speed to Turn 1 is too high.
Straight between Turn 4 and 5: Too short. Entry speed to Turn 5 is too high.
Straight between Turn 15 and 16: Too short. Exit speed in Turn 15 is too high.

And because of the high exit speed of Turn 15, it's very hard to follow a car closely down to Turn 16 and then try to overtake on Start/Finish straight.
 
I was disappointed that the great battle Alonso and the two McLarens were having was cut short by that stupid chicane. Indeed, was impossible for anybody on the outside entering the chicane to stay alongside the other car. Not much point for the defending driver to get a faster exit out of the hairpin when the track tightens there. I want to see back and forth overtaking. :lol:
 
As I mentioned earlier in the thread (alas, I thought medium was being used, not hard), the hard tyre seems to work well on the McLaren and Ferrari (we didn't get to see Sauber work them much), however not as much on the Ferrari as I thought, but there did seem to be a decent gain in pace from Ferrari's small upgrade for India, The first lap was fantastic.

I think the Abu Dhabi GP will be similar to the Indian GP due to the soft/medium offered (going with my theory earlier in the thread), but Ferrari have some more upgrades so that's good news, but the 2 races after that will be what I call 'away games' for Red Bull as I think they will struggle against Ferrari and McLaren on the med/hard combos for Texas and Interlagos, but the problem is that Alonso will then be fighting Hamilton and Button aswell.

Alonso must win, he must save the season for everyone's sake. :nervous:

Also, collisions and DNFs are somewhat of a natural thing in motorsport, and I know it would usually be unsporting to pin down championship losses on involved drivers, but Grosjean is an abnormal factor, someone who clearly didn't belong and should not have been permitted to continue being a wrecking ball among the professional drivers, and due to his ridiculous clumsiness, shall not be forgotten or forgiven for robbing Alonso of crucial points that may have robbed also him of the 2012 title.
 
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As counterpart to the harshing on Buddh circuit, I'd point to James Allen's posting today:

"The Indian Grand Prix was an interesting race by recent standards in that, for once, the teams didn’t have to worry about the tyres wearing out and their race strategy was not decided by that. Instead they could focus on pure pace, the drivers able to push to the maximum throughout the Grand Prix.

So there was little opportunity for drivers starting outside the top ten to make the kind of progress into the points which we have seen this year from Sergio Perez or more recently the Toro Rosso drivers in Korea.

There were two reasons for this: to a certain extent the teams have now got wise to the 2012 Pirelli tyres and know how to get far more out of them now than six months ago, when we saw seven different winners in the first seven races.

But the main reason was that the tyre choice from Pirelli for the weekend, soft and hard compounds, was too conservative."

If this analysis is correct (and I think Allen is in far better touch than anyone on this board with what actually transpires in the paddock) then what we saw was the genuine pecking order of the cars ... and by implication a statement that the true capabilities of the teams are not all that close. Given that, and the overall reliability of the current field, there really shouldn't be all that much passing.
 
zippy_the_cat
If this analysis is correct (and I think Allen is in far better touch than anyone on this board with what actually transpires in the paddock) then what we saw was the genuine pecking order of the cars ...
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... at the Buddh circuit specifically, yes.

and by implication a statement that the true capabilities of the teams are not all that close.
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In terms of raw pace, maybe. Monaco is a whole other can of worms, for example.
 

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