2012 Indian Grand Prix

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Yeah agreed, it's only a 13 point lead, which could easily be diminished if Vettel runs into trouble somehow.

Even though the chances of Vettel running into any trouble is low, Alonso's still fighting on, minimising the damage this weekend by making sure Vettel extends his lead by a smaller margin.

There's also Vettel too, who drove on the ragged edge in Spa to attain a podium finish, after being knocked out in Q2, fighting his way through to overhaul the seemingly Herculean lead Alonso had in a resurgent, 2011 style, dominant fashion.

Respect to both drivers really.
 
I think people are a bit to quick in saying its over just because Vettel and Red Bull seem to be pulling a 2011 all over again...

But with Alonso fighting hard, the Ferrari really didn't look too far off from the Red Bulls, especially when Alonso managed to somehow catch Webber (before he had the KERS problem) I'm quite confident both championship contenders would have a close fight all the way to the checkquered flag at Interlagos.
 
I think Vettel will wrap this up in USA, but I also think Vettel will suffer a DNF in Brazil because of alternator, engine or gearbox.
 
HeXoSKEL3t0n
I think people are a bit to quick in saying its over just because Vettel and Red Bull seem to be pulling a 2011 all over again...

But with Alonso fighting hard, the Ferrari really didn't look too far off from the Red Bulls, especially when Alonso managed to somehow catch Webber (before he had the KERS problem) I'm quite confident both championship contenders would have a close fight all the way to the checkquered flag at Interlagos.
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In practice Gary Anderson said that the Ferrari had the best long run pace.
 
I think the only interesting thing to happen this race was Nico Hulkenburg's driving. He's really stamping his mark now, which is great to see after his slow start this season. He's consistently pushing well into the top 10 each race, pulling off some great overtakes and some great defending.

I think I'd use this race as a prime example of why DRS makes it all dull, dull, dull. Sure, without it we wouldn't have seen much overtaking at all....but it didn't make the race any more entertaining with it either. When you see drivers breeze past so easily it just takes all the tension away.
 
I bet the british media is pretty mad at the moment that Hulkenberg is outperforming di Resta. I guess they continue to pretend that he doesn't exist.
 
Ardius
I think I'd use this race as a prime example of why DRS makes it all dull, dull, dull. Sure, without it we wouldn't have seen much overtaking at all....but it didn't make the race any more entertaining with it either. When you see drivers breeze past so easily it just takes all the tension away.
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This is exactly what I think of DRS. Also I think it makes it unfair for the leading driver, as he will always be much slower than the car behind. There aren't battles in any other part of the track and it isn't exciting at all.

That race was awfully boring.
 
Ardius
I think the only interesting thing to happen this race was Nico Hulkenburg's driving. He's really stamping his mark now, which is great to see after his slow start this season. He's consistently pushing well into the top 10 each race, pulling off some great overtakes and some great defending.

I think I'd use this race as a prime example of why DRS makes it all dull, dull, dull. Sure, without it we wouldn't have seen much overtaking at all....but it didn't make the race any more entertaining with it either. When you see drivers breeze past so easily it just takes all the tension away.
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If I had of saw Alonso's overtake on Webber about 3 years ago I would have thought to myself 'Webber must have a mechanical problem', I don't mind DRS but I don't think that it should be so advantageous. Don't get me started on the lottery tyres. :)

Centura
I bet the british media is pretty mad at the moment that Hulkenberg is outperforming di Resta. I guess they continue to pretend that he doesn't exist.
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Even though I'm naturally a fan of British drivers I would rather see Nico in a quick car because he seems to have something extra. A fast inconsistent driver is much more interesting than a consistent one.
 
Centura
I bet the british media is pretty mad at the moment that Hulkenberg is outperforming di Resta. I guess they continue to pretend that he doesn't exist.
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Are you actually surprised that the British broadcasters are showing interest in a British driver? If you haven't worked it out, they are broadcasting in Britain...which includes Scotland. Could you imagine how angry Scottish people would get if he wasn't shown? They would complain that only English drivers were getting any coverage. It's not like Hulkenburg isn't ever shown because I've seen plenty of features which included him throughout the year. Do you think it would be any different with the swedish media if Ericsson got into F1? I for sure don't.
 
Centura
I bet the british media is pretty mad at the moment that Hulkenberg is outperforming di Resta. I guess they continue to pretend that he doesn't exist.
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I don't know why you've got that impression, I mean sure they interview Di Resta a lot on both BBC and Sky...but thats probably because he's:
1. British - same as any other TV company talking to national interests.
2. Willing to speak to them more than others (e.g. Button tends to get interviewed a lot more than say Alonso).
3. He's actually a decent driver.

I don't think either BBC or Sky are overly biased really. Hulkenburg has been mentioned quite a few times this season and given the deserved praise. I don't really see much of the so called bias or love/hate that other people seem to talk up with them.

I just think some people are watching perhaps expecting them to show complete and utter un-biased discussion and reporting which quite frankly is impossible.

Why is it always the British media people bring up? Is there any country that has coverage with no bias?
 
Centura
I bet the british media is pretty mad at the moment that Hulkenberg is outperforming di Resta. I guess they continue to pretend that he doesn't exist.
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I watch the F1 on Sky and he is usually never mentioned. Not sure about the BBC, but with Coulthard being Scottish I expect he gets a bit more acknowledgement.
 
dhandeh
I watch the F1 on Sky and he is usually never mentioned. Not sure about the BBC, but with Coulthard being Scottish I expect he gets a bit more acknowledgement.
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I seem to remember both Force India drivers getting mentioned as much as they're ever going to be, but certainly Di Resta does tend to get interviewed a bit more than others - especially just before the race start (usually Pinkham or some pit lane reporter grabbing him as he goes to the toilet).
But then again I seem to remember a fair few Brundle grid walks where he's talked to Hulkenburg at least once or twice.

Eh, I just don't see this so called bias. If there is any, its not out of proportion really considering Di Resta is a decent driver.
 
Centura
I bet the british media is pretty mad at the moment that Hulkenberg is outperforming di Resta. I guess they continue to pretend that he doesn't exist.
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:lol: What makes you think the British media care about Di Resta?

Someone proved the point above.
 
Ardius
Why is it always the British media people bring up? Is there any country that has coverage with no bias?
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I'd say if anything the British media would try to make it look as if they aren't biased because you get all sorts of people moaning in this country about how we do things. I wonder if other countries have TV programmes like Points of View which are specifically made for British people to whinge over trivial stuff. :)
 
Signal52
Don't tell me that, I'm about to start watching it. :lol: Regarding DRS, I think it's a little different on each track, India being one of the least exciting.
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There's truth in that. On some of the tracks where you would almost never see overtaking in the pre-DRS era the racing is much more exciting. DRS has saved some of the races in the past few years.
 
Hulkenburg has had a lot of coverage on the BBC and also on the after show. BBC seem to go out of their way to give coverage to the non british drivers. Even after Hulkenburg said some strange unwanted things to DC about having lots of women, who's a married man, BBC and DC were again talking to Hulkenburg recently and congratulating him. If anything BBC waste a little of their time trying to give an overall account because many of these come and go in year. Hulkenburg is seen here as a talented driver and portrayed as so and up against the paid driver.

Don't know about Sky recently but other countries only focus on their own drivers. I've watched coverage on my satellite and streams

I really doubt spanish media are chasing around and covering Anthony davidson or Di resta like we have more than covered Beumi, Jamie, Timo Glock, Perez, Kamui, the list is endless. How many times have the spanish or whoever gone to Di resta's house like we go to Beumi's, Jamie's, Rubens. Going to Finland for a 20 min piece on prime air time for kovalainen? Endless heart to hearts with Massa.

Di resta pops up for a few mins on a British TV station and people instantly start rolling their eyes back. I don't think DC, Jake, and Lee Mckenzie can do any more pandering to the non british driver. Their coverage is an example on how to do broad section of drivers over the years.

Only time I've seen anything like bias was Sky's early hype coverage which I did have access to, they seemed to be merely trying to let casual sky subscribers know to follow some brits and hype up F1 for their launch which is only natural. Only a fraction of the subscribers actually watch F1
 
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SilverArrow
Reread the first line of your first post...
V v G T v V
Just to be clear I think Fernando (unless RBR have a failure or Seb gets his 10 place grid penalty one day) has lost the championship. YAY ! :D
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Hmmm... Apart from the "YAY" what I said is pretty true... It will be hard for Fernando to win if Vettel has no problems... Or do you disagree with me on that point?
 
Right about now it's down to who doesn't slip up. If Alonso retires, and Vettel doesn't, it's Vettel's title. If Vettel retires, and Alonso doesn't, it's a classic battle. I just hope Alonso can do it, he deserves it more than Vettel, in my opinion.
 
Peter.
Right about now it's down to who doesn't slip up. If Alonso retires, and Vettel doesn't, it's Vettel's title. If Vettel retires, and Alonso doesn't, it's a classic battle. I just hope Alonso can do it, he deserves it more than Vettel, in my opinion.
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If Vettel doesn't retire and Alonso also doesn't retire, it's Vettel's title.
 
Nice start lap battle with Button, Alonso and Hamilton. Imagine Grosjean, Maldonado and Massa there instead and it would have been even more interesting :D

Otherwise pretty boring race. DOTD to Alonso, obviously.
 
SilverArrow
Do you think it would be any different with the swedish media if Ericsson got into F1? I for sure don't.
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It would be even worse. The F1 coverage is awful here, anyway. The cheapest legal option is 200 SEK/month if you want to watch live and except for what is offered from Formula One, all you get is two old guys talking crap. Hey, you british people, you heard that? It's not free*-to-view here.

BBC doesn't have any driver bias, except for di Resta. That's why I find it annoying.

* Yes, yes. Whatever. I know BBC isn't "free", but we have the same thing here. It's called SVT, but they don't have F1, so...
 
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Centura
It would be even worse. The F1 coverage is awful here, anyway. The cheapest legal option is 200 SEK/month if you want to watch live and except for what is offered from Formula One, all you get is two old guys talking crap. Hey, you british people, you heard that? It's not free*-to-view here.

BBC doesn't have any driver bias, except for di Resta. That's why I find it annoying.

* Yes, yes. Whatever. I know BBC isn't "free", but we have the same thing here. It's called SVT, but they don't have F1, so...
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But he's British, of course he's going to be featured more...The viewers want to see interviews with British drivers or championship contenders and Hulkenburg isn't fighting for the title. It will be the same next year, Button will get featured more than Perez and Hamilton will be featured more than Rosberg. It's not hard to comprehend and don't know why it's surprising to you. Their target audience are people from this country...
 
SilverArrow
But he's British, of course he's going to be featured more...The viewers want to see interviews with British drivers or championship contenders and Hulkenburg isn't fighting for the title. It will be the same next year, Button will get featured more than Perez and Hamilton will be featured more than Rosberg. It's not hard to comprehend and don't know why it's surprising to you. Their target audience are people from this country...
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Have I said that I am surprised? No, I haven't.
Have I said that di Resta is featured too much or whatever? No, I haven't.

I said BBC has no driver bias, except for di Resta and that BBC is living in complete denial when he gets beaten by his teammate.

In Spa, for example, after the race:

Hulkenberg got a very, very brief mention for finishing fourth. Nothing else, no good job, etc.
Oh, di Resta finished 10th? A very nice points finish for him! Good job!
 
Centura
Have I said that I am surprised? No, I haven't.
Have I said that di Resta is featured too much or whatever? No, I haven't.

I said BBC has no driver bias, except for di Resta and that BBC is living in complete denial when he gets beaten by his teammate.

In Spa, for example, after the race:

Hulkenberg got a very, very brief mention for finishing fourth. Nothing else, no good job, etc.
Oh, di Resta finished 10th? A very nice points finish for him! Good job!
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I think you're the one in denial if you think Hulkenburg doesn't get any praise for his good results. I don't know if you're just not paying attention because whenever he gets a decent result he gets a mention. Of course his 4th place wasn't the main talking point after spa, it was the Grosjean incident. I already explained that Di Resta is British and will obviously be featured more. Even so Hulkenburg was featured just as much as Di Resta after Spa. Why don't you actually provide quotes from that race to show that Nico got less praise because I know for a fact he did.
 
SilverArrow
I already explained that Di Resta is British and will obviously be featured more.
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Is he? I didn't know.
I think you're the one in denial if you think Hulkenburg doesn't get any praise for his good results.
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He does.
Even so Hulkenburg was featured just as much as Di Resta after Spa.
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No, he wasn't. And it shouldn't be. Why? You already said why.
Why don't you actually provide quotes from that race to show that Nico got less praise because I know for a fact he did.
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It was after the race during commentary.

Obviously, di Resta is very open for extra interviews with the british media and that's completely fine. They just need to stop selling him as the best thing since sliced bread.
 
Centura
Obviously, di Resta is very open for extra interviews with the british media and that's completely fine. They just need to stop selling him as the best thing since sliced bread.
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But they don't, if you aren't happy with how much praise he gets, then go find another channel to watch where Hulkenburg is the only driver they talk about. There's no point complaining if you're just going to keep watching it.
 

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