2013 Formula One Hungarian Grand Prix

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They finished in the points at Melbourne, Bahrain and Spain. To my knowledge those were the hottest tracks so far.

Melbourne was more overcast and mild then hot. Rosberg would have had a solid result there if it weren't for his retirement.
 
Really no revised new tire? Perhaps you should read this http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2013/7/14824.html.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2375379/Hungarian-Grand-Prix-2013-Budapest-heatwave-set-test-new-Pirelli-tyres.html

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/07/wolff-mercedes-have-work-cut-out-with-new-tyres-at-hungarian-grand-prix/
You might wanna especially read the last one.

Also if the tires do well with heat Merc might be in a good working condition that is competitive but not as long lasting as Ferrari and Lotus still. I don't think you've given race pace a great look and in respect to Lotus if they get it right after these past three grand prix then RBR will probably lose to them. Also when I say new items I think of passive DRS on Lotus perhaps being perfected during YDT and so on. Thus the perspective changes from Silverstone and Nurburgring to Hungaroring and what will actually happen. Also if you think Lotus hasn't fixed the ride height situation, then I can see why you don't have strong hope for anyone catching RBR and MGP. I think with the new tire and heat Lotus have the best chance.

Also tires used at the Silverstone weren't different, that's where we had several explosion/delaminating of tires if you don't remember. Germany has the new canvas on the tire being

I'm fairly certain they are using 2013 compounds but with a 2012 construction so I doubt the order will be shaken up too much, so they are using 2013 compounds as I said. I didn't say the Silverstone tyres were new compared to previous races in the season I said different tyres were used between Silverstone and the Nurburgring. Lotus or Ferrari could win because they will probably be the best on their tyres but as I said overtaking is very hard, both Lotuses looked awesome last year but couldn't get past Hamilton, their cars started twitching all over the place whenever they tried to follow him through some of the corners.
 
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I wouldn't exaggerate too much, which you tend to do.
I know it may not be that bad, and I know I tend to exaggerate, but the way they kept dropping back during last year's season because of the temperatures might repeat itself.

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They finished in the points at Melbourne, Bahrain and Spain. To my knowledge those were the hottest tracks so far.
Wrong. Nico went from pole to nearly outside the points in Bahrain. In spain Lewis went from 2nd to 12th, while Nico went from 1st to 6th. That's significant. I just hope they qualify in the front row, that way they may not drop back that much.
 
He pretty much won the WDC at Monaco

You just quoted MGP last season and based it as your reasoning for why they'd fall back this season. However, your consistency is troubling because I'd think you'd do the same as far as the WDC goes. Coming into this race last year Alonso had a bigger gap than Vettel does now and yet look who won the WDC last year.
 
Coming into this race last year Alonso had a bigger gap than Vettel does now and yet look who won the WDC last year.

Even if the top places were reversed now and Vettel was 44 points behind Alonso he would still be favourite to win the championship. The Red Bull is still simply that much better and Ferrari developments seems to go backwards. Lotus and Mercedes are also no championship contenders. Sad but true.
 
Even if the top places were reversed now and Vettel was 44 points behind Alonso he would still be favourite to win the championship. The Red Bull is still simply that much better and Ferrari developments seems to go backwards. Lotus and Mercedes are also no championship contenders. Sad but true.

I would agree with MGP as far as WDC goes, but WCC seems quite gullible to just sit their and say it's over. I guess if you want to take the Jgreens route and say it's been over since Monaco. Also I'd say Lotus could win the championship WDC wise since realistically it is still there. Also I wouldn't quite say Ferrari have gone backwards. It's fine to favor that if your a fan, or do so as a cynic but don't pass it off so freely as if it is set in stone. Some of us actually like to enjoy the season all the way through.

I'm fairly certain they are using 2013 compounds but with a 2012 construction so I doubt the order will be shaken up too much, so they are using 2013 compounds as I said.

Uh it's a revised tire that is pretty much a reintroduction of 2012 compound with kevlar canvas of 2013. The point is it is pretty much last years tire, if you are trying to win an argument (that isn't there) okay, the main point was people shouldn't out rule the other two after such a break. From your wording just because the tire operates in the current season it's a current compound even if it is the same formula as last year? ...I gave you proof if you want split hairs and not address the fact that it is a new tire as I was making point to, then fine.

It's like saying the a generation model of a car isn't the same because it's 2013 and not 2012, even though the formula, manufacture and construction are the same. Point is I'm not saying they are using left over tires from 2012, I just made it simple for people. They are going back to the formula format of 2012 and moving away from the 2013 construction and formula we saw in Silverstone along with Germany. You do realize the only difference from Silverstone to Germany was the canvas and the actual tire change is this GP as I just showed you in articles (you seemed to not read).

I didn't say the Silverstone tyres were new compared to previous races in the season I said different tyres were used between Silverstone and the Nurburgring.

No you actually didn't and if you were trying to, your wording was confusing:
They could catch up in qualifying providing Red Bull and Mercedes have found nothing in the last few weeks. Red Bull probably won't have the best race pace here but they should have a pair of Mercs between them and everyone else after a few laps, it's probably the second hardest track to overtake on. By the way they will still be using the 2013 compounds, the top 2 cars at Silverstone and the Nurburgring in quali were the Mercedes and the Red Bull and completely different tyres were used. Also with the Lotus naturally running so low they won't be able to mount the big kerbs like Mercedes.

It doesn't inform me or any other readers that don't follow as closely about a different tire between races being used. Since I do follow real closely that is why I said what I said, because of your rhetoric.

Lotus or Ferrari could win because they will probably be the best on their tyres but as I said overtaking is very hard, both Lotuses looked awesome last year but couldn't get past Hamilton, their cars started twitching all over the place whenever they tried to follow him through some of the corners.

FP1 is over and Lotus had consistent pace with RBR, FP2 shall show us if it is real or not. My point was that Lotus and Ferrari shouldn't be ruled out and I was right they were quite consistent with RBR. Now that doesn't mean that MGP should be ruled out either, they're known for doing this game in FP1 and 2, 3 and then coming to life in Quali. However, it should be said that the tires may be hurting them more than thought, but I'd say the program they ran called for consistent race simulation times and not outright speed.

Also Hamilton isn't driving a dominate race pace MP4-27, and Lotus are quicker in the E21 this year than last year over a season, I get your point but the reality of the situation is this isn't 2012. There is suppose to be a 10 degree difference in weather that may hurt the tires of RBR and help give Lotus the type of stints they need to be long runners but heat tires quick enough to be fast from the get go. Also the change in DRS from last two years may help create more passes, that were lacking last year. So just saying last year is last year and this year is this year.
 
You just quoted MGP last season and based it as your reasoning for why they'd fall back this season. However, your consistency is troubling because I'd think you'd do the same as far as the WDC goes. Coming into this race last year Alonso had a bigger gap than Vettel does now and yet look who won the WDC last year.
Actually, I'm basing this off of last year's as well. RB seems to get faster and faster by the race, while Ferrari keeps dropping back.

The only contender to Vettel is Raikkonen and I don't see how he can finish ahead of him every race all the way to the end. Maybe if Vettel suffers a bunch of retirements, but otherwise I think it's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to get past him in the points this season. I hope I'm wrong :/

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I'm talking about the WDC, not the WCC. WCC is wide open.
 
Actually, I'm basing this off of last year's as well. RB seems to get faster and faster by the race, while Ferrari keeps dropping back.

The only contender to Vettel is Raikkonen and I don't see how he can finish ahead of him every race all the way to the end. Maybe if Vettel suffers a bunch of retirements, but otherwise I think it's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to get past him in the points this season. I hope I'm wrong :/

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I'm talking about the WDC, not the WCC. WCC is wide open.

WDC is fine, too be fair to you and others, I really don't care about it this year. I think the WCC is more interesting honestly and have thought so about 4 GPs back. I don't think RBR have to retire every race, but vettel is ahead of Kimi by a race and a half to two races. All he needs is two bad races from Sebastian, and with Brake problems in FP1 and other mechanical issues being the weak link for RBR in any season, anything could happen I guess. We will have to wait and see.
 
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Actually, I'm basing this off of last year's as well. RB seems to get faster and faster by the race, while Ferrari keeps dropping back.

The only contender to Vettel is Raikkonen and I don't see how he can finish ahead of him every race all the way to the end. Maybe if Vettel suffers a bunch of retirements, but otherwise I think it's IMPOSSIBLE for anyone to get past him in the points this season. I hope I'm wrong :/

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I'm talking about the WDC, not the WCC. WCC is wide open.

I'm not sure you know what that word means.
 
FP2 is pretty much the same as FP1, which shows me that Lotus are holding on to the tails of RBR for now and so is Ferrari. MGP however were faster this time around and that is probably due to running a few quick laps this time, which they most likely didn't do in FP1. Still not fast enough to be a threat for the top times of the practice 6 and 7 they sat. Also I must also say Grosjean took over Kimi's spot from last practice to FP2. So I think Grosjean may be on for another podium weekend.
 
And it looks like Grosjean may have infected Kimi with ruining cars. I didn't get to watch the video, the F1 timing text stream didn't really say how severe the contact with Button was, but they did mention it.
 
And it looks like Grosjean may have infected Kimi with ruining cars. I didn't get to watch the video, the F1 timing text stream didn't really say how severe the contact with Button was, but they did mention it.

There was no contact. Close, but no contact.
 
WDC is fine, too be fair to you and others, I really don't care about it this year. I think the WCC is more interesting honestly and have thought so about 4 GPs back. I don't think RBR have to retire every race, but vettel is ahead of Kimi by a race and a half to two races. All he needs is two bad races from Sebastian, and with Brake problems in FP1 and other mechanical issues being the weak link for RBR in any season, anything could happen I guess. We will have to wait and see.

I'm not sure you know what that word means.
Guys, even if Vettel retires 3 more races. He's going to win the other 6. It's a 7 point difference from winner to 2nd..

And it looks like Grosjean may have infected Kimi with ruining cars. I didn't get to watch the video, the F1 timing text stream didn't really say how severe the contact with Button was, but they did mention it.
I think we're seeing Kimi under some sort of pressure for the first time since his return. The whole Lotus/RB thing might be getting to him.

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Not taking anything away for Grosjean. I'm a fan of him, actually.
 
I'm not saying Vettel isn't strongly favoured to win it, simply pointing out that impossible is not the word you're looking for. That would be improbable. In your opinion.

Personally I think it's far from over.
 
I'm not saying Vettel isn't strongly favoured to win it, simply pointing out that impossible is not the word you're looking for. That would be improbable. In your opinion.
If you're going to consider the fact that he may die in his sleep tonight, then you might as well scratch word "impossible" from the dictionary unless you're talking physics or mathematics.
 
If you're going to consider the fact that he may die in his sleep tonight, then you might as well scratch word "impossible" from the dictionary unless you're talking physics or mathematics.

What? The only way it'd be impossible for anybody to overhaul Vettel is if he was ahead by more points than was left on offer. Until then, it's unlikely or improbable but still possible.

Anything can happen in the world of F1.
 
0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001% = impossible

In the science of statistics a probability that tiny is negligible.
 
Wait, there's a Grand Prix? I thought this was the off-season?

Well you don't seem to follow on much :lol:

I see Lotus did well today in practise, maybe a dark horse for the weekend?
 
First win for Grosjean this weekend? We all know the guy needs it...
But I think that will only happen If he has some luck in qualifying, otherwise Redbull are LIKELY to walk away with it
 
I know it may not be that bad, and I know I tend to exaggerate, but the way they kept dropping back during last year's season because of the temperatures might repeat itself.

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Wrong. Nico went from pole to nearly outside the points in Bahrain. In spain Lewis went from 2nd to 12th, while Nico went from 1st to 6th. That's significant. I just hope they qualify in the front row, that way they may not drop back that much.

Wrong huh? So they DID finish in the points in those races, like I said. Even with them falling positions, which theyve done almost everywhere, they scored points. They're rulling out a win, but stranger things have happened. The heat will definitely play a role. We know Newey likes to push the envelope in packaging, the race will be interesting.
 
Not one of my favourite tracks on the calendar but, I am looking forward to the outcome. It's going to be a good race.
 
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