2013 Formula One Hungarian Grand Prix

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Three weeks since the last Grand Prix and the teams are back from the brief break chomping at the bit to get back racing again. The new tyres will be making an appearance and all but Mercedes have had an opportunity to try them out, will Mercedes be disadvantaged or will they still be as fast as before, Ladies and Gentlemen start your engines and enjoy the 28th running of the Hungarian Grand Prix.

2013 Formula One Hungarian Grand Prix

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Circuit Name: Hungaroring
First Grand Prix: 1986
Number of Laps: 70
Circuit Length: 4.381 km
Race Distance: 306.630 km
Lap Record: 1:19.071 - M Schumacher (2004)
2012 Race Winner: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren-Mercedes)
Tyres: Soft & Medium


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Enjoy!! :D
 
Second DRS zone looks like it'll be about useless. I've got a feeling Mercedes will struggle with the tires this race and the door will be open for Ferrari and Lotus to rack up a bunch of WCC points. Red Bull will probably be the class of the field again.
 
With pit stops longer with the 80km/h pit lane limit shorter stop strategies will be preferred this should favor those who look after their tyres better eg lotus
 
magpie1997
With pit stops longer with the 80km/h pit lane limit shorter stop strategies will be preferred this should favor those who look after their tyres better eg lotus
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Punctuation is your friend. That was hard to read.
 
I think you need to qualify well to win here, the Lotus was much kinder on it's tyres at Hungary last year but neither Lotus driver could pass Hamilton because of how much of an affect dirty air had on performance, I think pole will go to Hamilton or Vettel but the race will be won by Vettel, I think Ferrari and Lotus will put themselves out of contention by qualifying badly.
 
TheBook
Second DRS zone looks like it'll be about useless. I've got a feeling Mercedes will struggle with the tires this race and the door will be open for Ferrari and Lotus to rack up a bunch of WCC points. Red Bull will probably be the class of the field again.
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This should be a repeat of Spain actually. By now, the tires have changed, but according to this interesting Autosport article:
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/108900

Pretty much, Ferrari and Lotus (also FI, to an extent) will be a lot better on the softer options than the rest of the teams so they could very well repeat their strategy from Catalunya and go balls out on strategy.

But the tires are changing, and the operating temps are gonna be a bit colder, so it may not work out as well, we'll have to see, I can't wait to see the results. Hopefully Lotus can finally grow a pair themselves and actually run the risk as they've failed to capitalize a couple times this year in situations where, had they done so, they could've racked up more wins.

But yeah, I expect qualifying to be another Merc. show, as for the race, it'll be just like any of the other races with Soft and Mediums, dropping like a rock. Unless of course they've figured out a magical solution, which is highly unlikely, especially considering their missing out on the YDT.
 
I'm expecting the same old recipe.

Mercedes to be untouchable in qualifying and then just fall to pieces on Sunday.
Ferrari and Lotus have a good chance of winning the race, I'd say Lotus more likely and as always Vettel will be lurking around taking home some points.
 
That would be the same reason they don't use two DRS zones in Suzuka. In Hungary, the cars could end up being side-by-side going into a super fast corner that would be way too dangerous to have a moment at.

They needed to make the DRS zone go into a safe passing zone.
 
If only they had a second detection point, that could make it interesting as if the car that overtook on the first zone only just got past then the other car may be able to get back alongside on the second zone.

However since they both were using the same detection zone then, yeah it will be rubbish.
 
Ardius
What happened to those plans to re-design the Hungaroring a year ago?
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I thought they did something similar to Abu Dhabi. That is, they looked at the effect DRS, KERS and the Pirelli tyres were having and came to the conclusion that the circuit was already good enough. Either that, or they postponed the changes because last years race was good (Though that was mainly down to the weather).
 
Peasantslayer
I think you need to qualify well to win here, the Lotus was much kinder on it's tyres at Hungary last year but neither Lotus driver could pass Hamilton because of how much of an affect dirty air had on performance, I think pole will go to Hamilton or Vettel but the race will be won by Vettel, I think Ferrari and Lotus will put themselves out of contention by qualifying badly.
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Are you saying that nothing came from the YDT?
 
I don't really see where they can make too many improvements/changes to the layout. Most of the issue is the track width but widening pretty much the whole track would cost a fortune. The chicane at 6 for example is far too narrow for passing.

I had a quick go at modifying some corners but there isn't really a lot of space to do anything assuming none of the trees can be moved.

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Straightening out the last section and cutting out T12 entirely could create a nice uphill run into the last corner but I don't know if that'd make the circuit too quick, not to mention needing bigger run offs because of the faster speed in that last turn.
 
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I don't really see where they can make too many improvements/changes to the layout.
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That map showed where I'd make the changes - T4 less sharp, T5 more hairpin/slower & cutting out the pointless double back uphill to the pit straight.
 
Samus
Straightening out the last section and cutting out T12 entirely could create a nice uphill run into the last corner but I don't know if that'd make the circuit too quick, not to mention needing bigger run offs because of the faster speed in that last turn.
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That could be a good idea. Whilst the last two corners are challenging, they space the cars out too much making it very difficult to pass on the pit straight. I thought at first it was like the 'arena complex' at Hockenheim, but there are no grandstands on the inside of the track at that point, and there doesn't seem to be any banked areas for general admission ticket holders. Straightening it off and adding a turn similar to the final turn at COTA would be welcome as this would reduce speed enough without spacing the cars out too much.

I disagree with the changes to turn 5 though. That is just replicating the turn 1 changes. If turn 4 remains unchanged (Which it should do as it's the best corner on the circuit) then the changes to turn 5 will be pointless as it still won't be an overtaking spot.
 
Turn 4 is challenging for drivers but that combined with 5 are useless for overtaking. Turning 4 into a faster kink and tightening 5 gives a good overtaking chance. Except the grassy area on the right where i've made a new corner there isn't really any other places to change anything to help overtaking.
 
Peasantslayer
No...
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Well then what are you saying? Surely Ferrari and Lotus have solutions to catch up with RBR and Merc GP in quali and if not then I'm sure last years tire being reintroduced should change your insight on what may happen. Especially with how close drivers are and can close that gap on Vettel before the end of this season.
 
I recon the winning car will be a RedBulll or a Mercedes, this track is hard to overtake on, and since they dominate in quali, I think one of them will win
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Well then what are you saying? Surely Ferrari and Lotus have solutions to catch up with RBR and Merc GP in quali and if not then I'm sure last years tire being reintroduced should change your insight on what may happen. Especially with how close drivers are and can close that gap on Vettel before the end of this season.
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They could catch up in qualifying providing Red Bull and Mercedes have found nothing in the last few weeks. Red Bull probably won't have the best race pace here but they should have a pair of Mercs between them and everyone else after a few laps, it's probably the second hardest track to overtake on. By the way they will still be using the 2013 compounds, the top 2 cars at Silverstone and the Nurburgring in quali were the Mercedes and the Red Bull and completely different tyres were used. Also with the Lotus naturally running so low they won't be able to mount the big kerbs like Mercedes.
 
I hope that 2nd DRS zone provides some overtaking. Since last year there was more overtaking at Monaco than here I might struggle to stay awake O_O
 
Peasantslayer
They could catch up in qualifying providing Red Bull and Mercedes have found nothing in the last few weeks. Red Bull probably won't have the best race pace here but they should have a pair of Mercs between them and everyone else after a few laps, it's probably the second hardest track to overtake on. By the way they will still be using the 2013 compounds, the top 2 cars at Silverstone and the Nurburgring in quali were the Mercedes and the Red Bull and completely different tyres were used. Also with the Lotus naturally running so low they won't be able to mount the big kerbs like Mercedes.
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Really no revised new tire? Perhaps you should read this http://www.formula1.com/news/features/2013/7/14824.html.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-2375379/Hungarian-Grand-Prix-2013-Budapest-heatwave-set-test-new-Pirelli-tyres.html

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2013/07/wolff-mercedes-have-work-cut-out-with-new-tyres-at-hungarian-grand-prix/
You might wanna especially read the last one.

Also if the tires do well with heat Merc might be in a good working condition that is competitive but not as long lasting as Ferrari and Lotus still. I don't think you've given race pace a great look and in respect to Lotus if they get it right after these past three grand prix then RBR will probably lose to them. Also when I say new items I think of passive DRS on Lotus perhaps being perfected during YDT and so on. Thus the perspective changes from Silverstone and Nurburgring to Hungaroring and what will actually happen. Also if you think Lotus hasn't fixed the ride height situation, then I can see why you don't have strong hope for anyone catching RBR and MGP. I think with the new tire and heat Lotus have the best chance.

Also tires used at the Silverstone weren't different, that's where we had several explosion/delaminating of tires if you don't remember. Germany has the new canvas on the tire being

BHRxRacer
Temperature up to 50 degrees = Merc'll probably finish outside the points.
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I wouldn't exaggerate too much, which you tend to do.
 

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