2013 NASCAR Thread

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Ganon83
Kenseth fined 50 points, crew chief gone for 6 races.
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According to this article, the team got hit a lot harder than that:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-sources-kenseths-engine-fails-141450605--nascar.html

In addition to the 50 points, his 3 bonus points were taken away and his pole award.

Gibbs was docked 50 car owner's points and had his owner's license suspended for the next 6 races. He cannot earn any car owner points for 6 races.

Toyota also lost 5 points in the manufacturer's championship.
 
Adamgp
According to this article, the team got hit a lot harder than that:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ap-sources-kenseths-engine-fails-141450605--nascar.html

In addition to the 50 points, his 3 bonus points were taken away and his pole award.

Gibbs was docked 50 car owner's points and had his owner's license suspended for the next 6 races. He cannot earn any car owner points for 6 races.

Toyota also lost 5 points in the manufacturer's championship.
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My god that is just plain MURDER!
 
Actually, no... if you take Toyota's word for it, the difference was minuscule.
nascar.com
Toyota said in a statement that the connecting rod in question was three grams under the legal minimum weight, and none of the other seven were found to be at fault.

"We take full responsibility for this issue with the engine used by the No. 20 Joe Gibbs Racing (JGR) team this past Sunday in Kansas -- JGR is not involved in the process of selecting parts or assembling the Cup Series engines," TRD president Lee White said. "It was a simple oversight on TRD's part and there was no intent to deceive, or to gain any type of competitive advantage. Toyota is company that was built on integrity, and that remains one of the guiding principles of the company. The goal of TRD has always been -- and will continue to be -- to build high-performance engines that are reliable, durable and powerful, and within the guidelines established by NASCAR."
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I have a hard time comprehending how a single connecting rod that's 0.6% underweight could possibly merit a penalty of this magnitude. Clearly, they're clearly trying to send teams a message. I know NASCAR is trying to take a hard line on cheating this year, but this doesn't look like it was intentional, and certainly wasn't particularly consequential. I suspect it has a pretty good chance of being largely overturned on appeal.
 
And here I am thinking the new race director at the ALMS and Grand-am was abit harsh with penalties. Suspension of owner's license? I didn't even know that was possible.
 
Austin343
Actually, no... if you take Toyota's word for it, the difference was minuscule.


I have a hard time comprehending how a single connecting rod that's 0.6% underweight could possibly merit a penalty of this magnitude. Clearly, they're clearly trying to send teams a message. I know NASCAR is trying to take a hard line on cheating this year, but this doesn't look like it was intentional, and certainly wasn't particularly consequential. I suspect it has a pretty good chance of being largely overturned on appeal.
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Doubt it. They essentially ruined Carl Long for an engine violation ages ago, and this was for the All-Star race. He can't even return without paying the fine. If they want to trash the poor little guy, they should at least be consistent.
 
So, TDR allows an engine that is literally 3 cigarettes short of legal weight to be used in a race. NASCAR comes down on JGR and not TDR?

The only way to solve this epidemic of rules violations is for NASCAR to have a spec car like the IROC series.
 
Feel really bad that JGR takes the entire brunt of this penalty. I hope they plan on appealing and the appeals board grants the appeal. It's not something the team had control over since they don't build their engines.
 
GTPorsche
Feel really bad that JGR takes the entire brunt of this penalty. I hope they plan on appealing and the appeals board grants the appeal. It's not something the team had control over since they don't build their engines.
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No chance with a former GM executive running things. 👎 At this rate, teams and drivers will get penalized for breathing too hard on a NASCAR official.
 
At the very least, the owners points really won't matter because Matt is the most recent Cup champion outside of Kurt Busch, Stewart, Johnson, and Brad.
NASCAR management keeps giving new reasons for me to hate them every week.
 
Don't worry, there won't be NASCAR management to hate if they keep making stupid decisions, as the NASCAR empire will go into Chapter 7 bankruptcy. :dopey:
 
RVDNuT374
No chance with a former GM executive running things. 👎 At this rate, teams and drivers will get penalized for breathing too hard on a NASCAR official.
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I don't see why that makes a difference. He's there to make professional and fair decisions, not bias ones.
 
Denny Hamlin just tweeted that he won't be racing this weekend.

http://twitpl.us/t/9JT

To be honest, and this is my opinion, I think he should wait another 2 weeks before returning. Even if he's cleared to race after this weekend, I don't think Talladega is a good idea for a return from a back injury.
 
Take it that means Martin in the #11, and Waltrip to the #55 (which I believe he was always going to run at Dega this year)?
 
Furinkazen
Take it that means Martin in the #11, and Waltrip to the #55 (which I believe he was always going to run at Dega this year)?
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No, Vickers is in the 11 and Martin is in the 55. I'm sure Waltrip will run Dega though.
 
RVDNuT374
At this rate, teams and drivers will get penalized for breathing too hard on a NASCAR official.
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Didn't a basketball coach get a technical foul for breathing on a referee once? I remember reading that somewhere...
 
Yeah, he's running this

55aarons-alabama-diecast.jpg
 
Johnny Sauter and the #98 team also got a hard penalty.
Here is the statment of NASCAR

The No. 98 truck was found to have violated Sections 12-1 (actions detrimental to stock car racing); 12-4K (if in the judgment of NASCAR Officials, race equipment that has been previously verified or previously approved and/or sealed by NASCAR for use in an event, pursuant to sub-section 8-6 and/or 8-12, has been altered, modified, repaired, or changed in any manner); 20B-16 (once a fuel cell or fuel cell components have been certified, modifications of any kind will not be permitted to the fuel cell or fuel cell components); and 20B-16.1B (standard black, safety foam with minimum free-standing height of eight (8) inches, acceptable to NASCAR Officials, and used as provided by an approved fuel cell manufacturer, must be used: Fuel cell safety foam modification.) of the 2013 rule book.

As a result of this violation, crew chief Joel Shear has been fined $10,000 and suspended from NASCAR competition until the completion of the next four (4) NASCAR Camping World Truck Series events. He has been placed on NASCAR probation until December 31. The team has also been docked 25 championship driver (Johnny Sauter) and 25 championship owner (Mike Curb) points.

The violations involving the No. 98 truck occurred in opening day inspection.
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Jahgee1124
Yeah, he's running this

55aarons-alabama-diecast.jpg
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Has that become a MWR tradition or something? In the few years I've watched Nascar, I just seemed to notice MWR do this every year with at least one of their cars.
 
Wow, that is a rough penalty for Kenseth's team. :eek: It's on par with Mayfield's penalty back in 2000, which was 151 points. Kenseth's may actually be steeper, as 50 points is more than he would make for winning the race, while Mayfield's penalty would have been equal to finishing around 6th place under the old points system.

Edit: looking back at some of the largest penalties, Carl Long's takes the cake. I didn't realize how many drivers were docked 150 points the past few years (under the old system)
http://msn.foxsports.com/nascar/lis...s#tab=photo-title=Penalty+time&photo=31697930
 
What makes this more questionable is that one team did exactly the same thing (can't exactly remember who) yet didn't get hit with nearly as much a penalty.
 
RACECAR
Has that become a MWR tradition or something? In the few years I've watched Nascar, I just seemed to notice MWR do this every year with at least one of their cars.
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I think it's a tradition if Alabama or Auburn (or UAB if they ever manage to do it) win the BCS National Championship, then Mikey will run a car with their colors on it at the spring Talladega race.
 
Jahgee1124
I think it's a tradition if Alabama or Auburn (or UAB if they ever manage to do it) win the BCS National Championship, then Mikey will run a car with their colors on it at the spring Talladega race.
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He ran a University of Kentucky car at Kentucky last year after their basketball team won the NCAA Tournament.

Kentucky_Waltrip-300x171.jpg
 
Earth
Danica Patrick gets bullied by Marcos Ambrose and David Gilliland
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That's not really fair. They didn't show it in the video, but Ambrose got completely sideways under Danica and slid up into her. When he moved up in front of her on corner exit, that's just how he races against everybody, and in any event it really isn't dirty racing. Gilliland's maneuver was a little more ambiguous, but to me it looked like he simply pushed up the hill. I really don't think anyone would have batted an eyelid if he had done the same to, say, Casey Mears.
 

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