2013 NASCAR Thread

[Dolph Drago]

And it begins...

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20130225/NASCAR/302259971

Even the lawyers are saying this is going to be a tough case.

 

[RACECAR]

Format for the 2013 "All-Star" race has just been announced:

- Winner Earns $1 Million

- Four 20 Lap Segments/Final 10 Lap Segment

- 1 Mandatory 4-Tire Pit Stop

- Final Segment Line up Based on Average finish in first four segments

 

[Furinkazen]

Basically 4 segments of cruising and a wreckfest at end.. Nice move NASCAR 👍

 

[RACECAR]

And just unveiled is "Bruton's Big Bonus". If a driver wins all four segments, they will win an extra $1 Million. SO basically if someone wins the race AND manages to pull off all four segments, they'll walk away with $2 Million Dollars.

 

[Northstar]

The worst part about the All-Star race is that Danica will more than likely be in both races(No way is she losing the fan vote).

I personally have grown bored with the All-Star race, for most of the drivers in the main race a million isn't all that much compared to what they make, so they don't really try. This pretty much leaves just a giant gimmick, than again NASCAR has been especially fond of gimmicks over the last 5 years or so.

 

[Furinkazen]

The worst part about the All-Star race is that Danica will more than likely be in both races(No way is she losing the fan vote).

I personally have grown bored with the All-Star race, for most of the drivers in the main race a million isn't all that much compared to what they make, so they don't really try. This pretty much leaves just a giant gimmick, than again NASCAR has been especially fond of gimmicks over the last 5 years or so.

Danica or Jnr? That's a tough one to call!

 

[Ganon83]

Danica or Jnr? That's a tough one to call!

Jr. is locked in thanks to Michigan.

 

[Carbonox]

Jr. is locked in thanks to Michigan.

Unfortunately.

TBH the whole fan vote should be eliminated, it's just bollocks. Only the best of the best should make the All-Star race, period.

 

[Mudd]

I'm wondering if Danica is gonna take Jr's "most popular driver" this year.

 

[Blitz24]

Danica or Jnr? That's a tough one to call!

Danica will win because she is woman. Anti-sexist .

 

[RACECAR]

I personally have grown bored with the All-Star race, for most of the drivers in the main race a million isn't all that much compared to what they make, so they don't really try. This pretty much leaves just a giant gimmick, than again NASCAR has been especially fond of gimmicks over the last 5 years or so.

Its not even a true all-star race, its just the same drivers we see every week. I will never understand why they even call it that.


Edit: Great, now Jimmy Spencer has become the president of the Danica Ass-Kissing Club. How? By calling Franco's command "Total disrespect" Yeah, coming from a tub of has-been that called Dale Jr's Pepsi 400 win "Rigged" and said he would "Detonate Sonoma" just because he sucks at Road Courses

 

[BKGlover]

You are indeed probably the only one. Its sort of difficult when you consider that:

Kentucky/Chicago/Las Vegas/Kansas are pretty much clones and
Atlanta/Texas/Charlotte are clones. (Also California/Michigan).

No, not the only one(though it's getting harder to say).

I'll say this. These tri-ovals, kill them. Of the ones listed, Michigan might edge out in quality racing, but I can't watch them because I'm bored out of my mind. Even in the NASCAR video games all six are boring.

Yes, SIX. The A/T/C "cutter", btw you all have no idea how much i loathe the term "cookie cutter track", applies to the outline alone. Charlotte and Texas have always been a D-oval, but Atlanta is a converted true oval. Atlanta is a pedal-fest as using the brakes gets you run over, Charlotte has the Turn 4 exit, and Texas has had low spots (what road in Texas doesn't) and turns 1 and 2 are usually where it all goes around. Also, I can watch the races and hold some excitement throughout.

Personal feelings aside, though, Only Daytona, Bristol, and Martinsville should get two races. We need Pocono, we need Indy, we need Sonoma, The Glen, Darlington, Homestead, old Phoenix. We, those who keep coming back, need variety. They use Road America already, why not for Cup?. Replace an AMS race with Road Atlanta.

I'm tired. Tired of the BS. Tired of defending racing as a sport and as an entertainment source. Tired of defending NASCAR from the stupid and the elitist. Hell, right now, I'm just plain tired. I mean no offence to anyone, but if you take as such, then your loss.

 

[RVDNuT374]

Hard to get fans to tracks you don't do promotion work for. At that time NASCAR was shifting it's focus to being the series it is now, while forgetting/abandoning it's roots.

That is the exact reason that NASCAR as a whole has been slowly dying. When you cut/abandon the roots, over time the rest of the sport follows. As for the All-Star race, why can't they ever leave the rules alone for more than one year? Finally, my ideal schedule would have the following changes (using tracks that are ready to go) :

1. Shorten the schedule to 30 races a year, no Chase. 👍
2. That means no second races at Charlotte, Pocono, Michigan, and New Hampshire.
3. Kansas, Texas, Kentucky, and Chicagoland completely disappear from the schedule. 👍
4. First Texas date is now Rockingham; first Kansas date becomes Mid Ohio; Kentucky date becomes Road America; Chicagoland date becomes New Jersey Motorsports Park.
5. The full versions of Sears Point and Watkins Glen are run.
6. The Southern 500 returns to Labor Day; Atlanta now fills second Texas date; Mother's Day is an off weekend again.

Then maybe I'll start watching the Sprint Cup series again......

I can't really remember a time when restricor plate racing was interesting save for the first 20-30 laps and the last 10-20.

Go to YouTube and type in "1994 Winston Select 500." Spectacular racing from start to finish. 👍

 

[Northstar]

I'm tired. Tired of the BS. Tired of defending racing as a sport and as an entertainment source. Tired of defending NASCAR from the stupid and the elitist. Hell, right now, I'm just plain tired. I mean no offence to anyone, but if you take as such, then your loss.

There have been times where I felt the same.

Sadly, it's not just NASCAR that has been going downhill lately.

Go to YouTube and type in "1994 Winston Select 500." Spectacular racing from start to finish. 👍

I'll take your word for it, I have capped internet so YouTube is something I try to avoid.

 

[BKGlover]

It's a good race, but you can't really compare it to today because of the cars, the drivers, the times, and especially the technology. Everything has changed, and NASCAR is forced to make an effort to keep up. Sometimes they get a hit, most of the time they faceplant, but there is no status quo in racing. If you don't move forward, you fall behind.



Oh yeah, to the handfull of people who are thinking of suing Daytona, that fence isn't made of rubber or some super-strength material, it's steel. Steel, lake everything else in the world, has a breaking point. You bought the tickets, you assumed the risk of injury by whatever means occured. If you are going to go through with the lawsuit, don't expect to be welcomed back, or at least I wouldn't.

 

[Earth]

That is the exact reason that NASCAR as a whole has been slowly dying. When you cut/abandon the roots, over time the rest of the sport follows. As for the All-Star race, why can't they ever leave the rules alone for more than one year? Finally, my ideal schedule would have the following changes (using tracks that are ready to go) :

1. Shorten the schedule to 30 races a year, no Chase. 👍
2. That means no second races at Charlotte, Pocono, Michigan, and New Hampshire.
3. Kansas, Texas, Kentucky, and Chicagoland completely disappear from the schedule. 👍
4. First Texas date is now Rockingham; first Kansas date becomes Mid Ohio; Kentucky date becomes Road America; Chicagoland date becomes New Jersey Motorsports Park.
5. The full versions of Sears Point and Watkins Glen are run.
6. The Southern 500 returns to Labor Day; Atlanta now fills second Texas date; Mother's Day is an off weekend again.

Then maybe I'll start watching the Sprint Cup series again......



Go to YouTube and type in "1994 Winston Select 500." Spectacular racing from start to finish. 👍

3 more Road Courses . Cup cars werent designed to race on them. Once the novelty wears off nobody will care anymore. More road courses goes against NASCAR's roots.

Get rid of the Texas date? Thats one of the few places that fills up the stands anymore.

Fan attendance should be the determining factor for dropping a race imo.

I say drop

2nd Dover race,
2nd Charlotte Race,
2nd Talladega Race,
2nd Daytona race

32 races and no chase

Oh yeah, to the handfull of people who are thinking of suing Daytona, that fence isn't made of rubber or some super-strength material, it's steel. Steel, lake everything else in the world, has a breaking point. You bought the tickets, you assumed the risk of injury by whatever means occured. If you are going to go through with the lawsuit, don't expect to be welcomed back, or at least I wouldn't.

You assume risk of injury when you buy tickets to ride a rollercoaster. Now if those rollercoaster wasnt inspected that day like it usually was and there is a failure and injury, is the small print on a ticket worth anything in court? No

The thing is we have seen catch fences fail with substantial debri go through them over the past decade. Thankfully most instances happened where the Grand Stands were empty. Despite that no major changes have been made.

You cant say, "If a car flys into the catch fence fans probably will get seriously injured or die". A scenario like that is unacceptable.

 

[Tornado]

3 more Road Courses . Cup cars werent designed to race on them. Once the novelty wears off nobody will care anymore. More road courses goes against NASCAR's roots.

I'd watch 3 more road course races. I'm already not watching most of the double races.

 

[Northstar]

More road courses goes against NASCAR's roots.

NASCAR's roots are on dirt tracks, most in the 1/4-1/2 mile range. There is nothing like that left on the Sprint Cup schedule, their roots are long gone.

 

[RACECAR]

More road courses goes against NASCAR's roots.

As far as I can make out, NASCAR has no more roots. They've abandoned what started the sport pretty much trying to grow.


As for continued argument regarding the danger, in all fairness Life itself IS a risk, Sports just happens to be a little riskier. Even then, I'd argue just driving to work everyday is far riskier because unlike Motorsports, Traffic is literally a risk 24/7 all year around.

 

[GTPorsche]

NASCAR has raced on a handful of road courses, but it's always been 1-2 a season, I don't see how adding 1 or 2 more for the Cup Series would be a detriment. That's only 3-4 races out of a 36 race schedule.

 

[Doth1s]

I think a big drawback is how many drivers choose to bow out of them.

 

[Müle]

3 more Road Courses . Cup cars werent designed to race on them. Once the novelty wears off nobody will care anymore. More road courses goes against NASCAR's roots.

I wasn't aware that rebels running from the cops with a bunch of moonshine in the back ran around in circles turning left a thousand times.

The two road races a year we get have been two of the best races all year for the last few years. I cannot understand how anyone, except for a Dale Jr. fan living in his trailer park in Alabama (only because Dale sucks at them or else said fan would hop on the bandwagon too) would not want more of them.

 

[-Fred-]

Especially considering the amount of great road courses in North America.

 

[photonrider]

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Personal feelings aside, though, Only Daytona, Bristol, and Martinsville should get two races. We need Pocono, we need Indy, we need Sonoma, The Glen, Darlington, Homestead, old Phoenix. We, those who keep coming back, need variety. They use Road America already, why not for Cup?.
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Yup. 👍 This is the way we should be going.

 

[Adrenaline]

You assume risk of injury when you buy tickets to ride a rollercoaster. Now if those rollercoaster wasnt inspected that day like it usually was and there is a failure and injury, is the small print on a ticket worth anything in court? No

The thing is we have seen catch fences fail with substantial debri go through them over the past decade. Thankfully most instances happened where the Grand Stands were empty. Despite that no major changes have been made.

You cant say, "If a car flys into the catch fence fans probably will get seriously injured or die". A scenario like that is unacceptable.

Apples and oranges.
The safety fence WAS inspected and DID pass all legal and safety standards.
So, if you want to sue someone, sue the people who decide the legal/safety standards/limits of the catch fences, not NASCAR.

 

[KBRacing2488]

Here is my idea.

Same amount of races, but two more in the chase. (One for each chase.)
Second Darlington back in the chase (preferably the Rebel 400) Taking over the second Pocono race.
Road America taking over the Charlotte chase race.
And replace the Kansas chase race with Rockingham.

Either that, or scrap the chase all together and reset the points with 12 races to go. Every driver gets the same amount of points, plus 10 extra points for winning. No cut-off.

 

[Blitz24]

Here is my idea.

Same amount of races, but two more in the chase. (One for each chase.)
Second Darlington back in the chase (preferably the Rebel 400) Taking over the second Pocono race.
Road America taking over the Charlotte chase race.
And replace the Kansas chase race with Rockingham.

Either that, or scrap the chase all together and reset the points with 12 races to go. Every driver gets the same amount of points, plus 10 extra points for winning. No cut-off.

You seem to be missing the point about why those tracks LOST the races in the first place. They weren't selling out when they had their dates so why should they return to the tracks if they aren't going to sell well?

 

[GTPorsche]

Road America is the only one of those listed that hasn't been tested with the Cup Series, and I'm not sure how many fans the Nationwide Series draws when they race there.

Also, I wouldn't be in favor of more chase races or a pseudo chase. I'd prefer it if it went back to the way it had been before Nextel came along. The chase hasn't fixed ratings, so they might as well ditch it and make the championship legit again.

 

[RACECAR]

Here is my idea.

Same amount of races, but two more in the chase. (One for each chase.)
Second Darlington back in the chase (preferably the Rebel 400) Taking over the second Pocono race.
Road America taking over the Charlotte chase race.
And replace the Kansas chase race with Rockingham.

1. No, Just no. No more chase races
2. 2nd race at Darlington, sure. As a chase race, again no.
3. Wouldn't mind that
4. Kinda ok with that

Either that, or scrap the chase all together and reset the points with 12 races to go. Every driver gets the same amount of points, plus 10 extra points for winning. No cut-off.

Just this right here is idea I think many of us would agree with.

Road America is the only one of those listed that hasn't been tested with the Cup Series, and I'm not sure how many fans the Nationwide Series draws when they race there.

From what I hear, it tends to draw massive crowds.

 

[R0ssingt0n]

What is this 'Chase' thing all you lot are talking about. I genuinely have no idea...