2013 NASCAR Thread

[Suzumiya]

Aww man, it's one big ol' 'cj' tonight. 'Crashica' who was actually running good all night(in the top 10 for a good while mind you), and more Johnson hating. If it were Gordon ir Junior doing the blocking, all of you would be cheering. 2 cents.

 

[Wilbur]

TNT sucks in general! I have no clue what tonight was all about but when I saw Tony Kanaan complaining, you know it's bad.

Denny needs to take time off or else it's going to end his career. His back can't be doing well.

AJ made a nice save but crappy luck.

I wish someone had beat Jimmie for his move. There is something weekly now that keeps rubbings wrong the more he does things, he is way too cocky these days and you can tell even other drivers aren't happy. Kahne looked pissed off, so I don't expect him to be so friendly rest of the year. It isn't first time JJ has roughed up his teammates.

NASCAR did the right call with end of the race. The race wasn't terrible but they still got some work to do but it's better than the 500 which was bad. The coverage is what ruined this race.

 

[Earth]

TNT sucks in general! I have no clue what tonight was all about but when I saw Tony Kanaan complaining, you know it's bad.

Denny needs to take time off or else it's going to end his career. His back can't be doing well.

AJ made a nice save but crappy luck.

I wish someone had beat Jimmie for his move. There is something weekly now that keeps rubbings wrong the more he does things, he is way too cocky these days and you can tell even other drivers aren't happy. Kahne looked pissed off, so I don't expect him to be so friendly rest of the year. It isn't first time JJ has roughed up his teammates.

NASCAR did the right call with end of the race. The race wasn't terrible but they still got some work to do but it's better than the 500 which was bad. The coverage is what ruined this race.

I wonder what Kanaan's thoughts would be if he saw the first TNT broadcast of the year which had the onscreen ad covering 30% of the screen.

On a different note, I dont like how fast NASCAR is releasing people from the infield medical center after these big hits. Alan Simonson was alert and talking to medics at Le Mans before blanking out and eventually dying.

They should have devices in the cars that measure g-forces during the hits. Any hit over a certain amount of Gs should require an extended stay in the medical center or a trip to the hospital.

Kasey Kahne was out of the medical center way too fast IMO...

 

[rap129]

I thought the race wasn't half bad tonight honestly. As for Johnson, I have nothing against him. He is a damn good driver and is one of the nicest drvers to his fans. I don't believe the move he made tonight was right but it's racing. I think one of the reasons you see him up front so much is not only a great driver but that he wants to win every race. I feel like some drivers don't give it their all when they have The Chase to back them up and kinda ride around for a few races. Johnson and Kryle Busch are up front almost every race because the want to win.

I also think Denny needs to take a little break so his back can heal as much as possible. He has taken some hard hits and I'm worried he might have some more problems if he keeps it up.

^and they do have boxes inside that cars the record the G-Forces. I'm not sure what the name of them is but I do know they have a box that does record them.

 

[Shoe67]

^and they do have boxes inside that cars the record the G-Forces. I'm not sure what the name of them is but I do know they have a box that does record them.

They are called black boxes, but the teams/crews/drivers are never given any of the data. NASCAR keeps the data confidential and only uses it to investigate incidents and help make the cars safer. 👍

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Indy Cars at Pocono should be interesting tomorrow!!!

The 2 lap GWC crap is not enough. Super speedways should have 3 laps. That's what they get to qualify with for cryin' out loud! NASCAR absolutely did the right thing by allowing the race to finish instead of throwing that caution. I bet someone's hang got slapped when they wanted to push the yellow button.

Nite all!

 

[nascar49]

On a different note, I dont like how fast NASCAR is releasing people from the infield medical center after these big hits. Alan Simonson was alert and talking to medics at Le Mans before blanking out and eventually dying.

NASCAR has nothing to do with the infield care center, the people that are releasing the drivers are trained medical professionals , its their call as to when to release the drivers, NASCAR only mandates the drivers going to care center if they are unable to driver their cars back to pit road/garage.

Its up to the medical personal and not NASCAR

Great night for Kurt Busch, bringing home the car in 6th, and now is sitting 9th in points, with 9 to go before the chase, I am very impressed with what he has done this year, and the whole FRR team.

I cant say I am happy the JJ48 won tonight, I really thought Kahne had a chance to win, but well , we know how that turned out, and how the heck did Waltrip get a good finish lol, was he just lucky

 

[Northstar]

Nice job by the 13 coming in 16th, I think they will get a top 10 before the season ends.

I called it.

 

[BKGlover]

Nice job Justin.

Not sure about extended stays, but a longer checklist might be a though.

Oh, and Kahne didn't just look pissed, He was/is thoroughly pissed the 🤬 off, will remain that way, and rightfully so as he wasn't just screwed out of a possible win, but just getting to the finish line at a plate track has become a major goal for him, and to have THAT taken away may have been the biggest deal for him. Bravo to him for saving face, but you could feel that he wanted nothing more than to be gone from Daytona.

 

[frenzal]

Great way to wreck your 'teammate'....Johnson knew exactly what he was doing, the head on shot showed him flick the tail into the front right of Ambrose's car, and he was only ever going to cannon straight into Kahne from there. Just a low, dog act. That's not racing, that's just weak as piss!!

Kahne was lucky to walk away from that, anything could have happened to him or someone else in the vicinity of where he hit the wall.

 

[iRevelationz]

To everyone leveling Jimmie, did it ever occur to any of you that he may have actually screwed up? You think he's THAT good of a driver to know exactly where Ambrose was, come down and hit him at the exact right time which in turn hit Kasey in the exact right place, sending him flying into the inside wall? Common sense people...

To me, it looked like Jimmie's car was in a bit of a four wheel slide coming off two. I don't think Ambrose was touching him at that point, but he was right on his ass, probably taking quite a bit of air of his spoiler. Jimmie went up the track higher than he needed to, went back down to cover the spot and Marcos had already gotten inside.

The guy is a human being and he made a mistake. To say that Jimmie intentionally planned all of that to wreck is own teammate is nothing short of laughable.

 

[TheDabbinDave]

Jimmie backup up into Marcos. The result was the carnage we saw. I highly doubt Rick Hendrick will be pleased with the 48 after seeing the telemetry.

The other drivers wont stand for this for too much longer. The 48 will start kissing walls more often now. Jimmie is having a great season of dominance. He is also schooling the field on how to be a whiner.

 

[Wilbur]

To everyone leveling Jimmie, did it ever occur to any of you that he may have actually screwed up? You think he's THAT good of a driver to know exactly where Ambrose was, come down and hit him at the exact right time which in turn hit Kasey in the exact right place, sending him flying into the inside wall? Common sense people...

To me, it looked like Jimmie's car was in a bit of a four wheel slide coming off two. I don't think Ambrose was touching him at that point, but he was right on his ass, probably taking quite a bit of air of his spoiler. Jimmie went up the track higher than he needed to, went back down to cover the spot and Marcos had already gotten inside.

The guy is a human being and he made a mistake. To say that Jimmie intentionally planned all of that to wreck is own teammate is nothing short of laughable.

Yeah Jimmie makes mistakes but he was trying to block his position after someone took his line away from either pushing him a little bit or him moving up. The door opened and Ambrose had steam to take it away to which got knocked into Kahne for a big ride into wall. Laughable would be believing Jimmie doesn't win at all cost sometimes because if he gets beat at his own game or fair and square...you always hear some whining out of him over it like last few weeks with restarts.

Did you notice that he never once in VL said I'm sorry for what happened to my teammate or I made a mistake that took out some good cars. Nope, you just hear him act as if it never happened and barely even seemed happy he won something that very few ever will.

 

[iRevelationz]

Yeah Jimmie makes mistakes but he was trying to block his position after someone took his line away from either pushing him a little bit or him moving up. The door opened and Ambrose had steam to take it away to which got knocked into Kahne for a big ride into wall. Laughable would be believing Jimmie doesn't win at all cost sometimes because if he gets beat at his own game or fair and square...you always hear some whining out of him over it like last few weeks with restarts.

Did you notice that he never once in VL said I'm sorry for what happened to my teammate or I made a mistake that took out some good cars. Nope, you just hear him act as if it never happened and barely even seemed happy he won something that very few ever will.

But was he sure his line was already taken? I recall him saying he seen a car coming inside in his mirror, but that doesn't automatically mean his position was lost. He tried to get back in line and Marcos had already filled the hole. Why come down and risk taking yourself out if you know someone is already to your inside? Doesn't make sense.

I don't remember if it was VL or Sportscenter, but Jimmie said he never even felt the contact between him and Ambrose. That does seem a bit odd considering his car wiggled a bit when they made contact, but the contact was relatively subtle, so I don't know.

It's a very similar situation to Stewart at Dega last fall. The inside was coming fast and he tried to jump down in front of them. Waited too late and the whole field piled up. Yet I don't see everyone crucifying him over how dirty of a driver he is because of it. But when Jimmie does the same thing, let's cut his head off and serve it on a plate.

 

[Spirit]

But was he sure his line was already taken? I recall him saying he seen a car coming inside in his mirror, but that doesn't automatically mean his position was lost. He tried to get back in line and Marcos had already filled the hole. Why come down and risk taking yourself out if you know someone is already to your inside? Doesn't make sense.

I don't remember if it was VL or Sportscenter, but Jimmie said he never even felt the contact between him and Ambrose. That does seem a bit odd considering his car wiggled a bit when they made contact, but the contact was relatively subtle, so I don't know.

It's a very similar situation to Stewart at Dega last fall. The inside was coming fast and he tried to jump down in front of them. Waited too late and the whole field piled up. Yet I don't see everyone crucifying him over how dirty of a driver he is because of it. But when Jimmie does the same thing, let's cut his head off and serve it on a plate.

Stewart fessed up to the wreck and agreed that it was 100% his fault from my understanding.

 

[iRevelationz]

Stewart fessed up to the wreck and agreed that it was 100% his fault from my understanding.

And like I said, Jimmie claimed he wasn't even aware there was contact between him and the #9. I'm sure he's seen a replay of it by now. If he doesn't fess up at some point this week and admit he made a mistake, then he should rightfully be open for criticism.

But on a whole different level, we've got guys on here saying he did it intentionally so he'd wreck his teammate. It's both fascinating and pitiful to me that people can come up with stuff this ridiculous and actually believe it.

 

[Spirit]

And like I said, Jimmie claimed he wasn't even aware there was contact between him and the #9. I'm sure he's seen a replay of it by now. If he doesn't fess up at some point this week and admit he made a mistake, then he should rightfully be open for criticism.

But on a whole different level, we've got guys on here saying he did it intentionally so he'd wreck his teammate. Downright pitiful.

Understandable. I've accidentally wrecked my teammate in MX races online trying to win before and was almost black flagged because of it too...

 

[RACECAR]

I kinda don't buy the idea that Jimmie Johnson intentionally wreck his teammate. It just looks like the same mistake I've seen so many times at restrictor plate: someone mistiming their move and causing a chain reaction that spins someone out.

 

[RVDNuT374]

Why haven't Harvick and Stewart attempted to pass Johnson yet? Is this a theme with plate races this year, that nobody bothers trying to pass the leader?

With the way the aero package and plate size are configured, it is extremely hard for anybody to back up and make a run at the leader, much less make a pass without outrageous amounts of bump drafting. 👎 Hopefully NASCAR grows enough brains between now and Talladega to make passing easier.

 

[Wilbur]

And like I said, Jimmie claimed he wasn't even aware there was contact between him and the #9. I'm sure he's seen a replay of it by now. If he doesn't fess up at some point this week and admit he made a mistake, then he should rightfully be open for criticism.

But on a whole different level, we've got guys on here saying he did it intentionally so he'd wreck his teammate. It's both fascinating and pitiful to me that people can come up with stuff this ridiculous and actually believe it.

There is NO way he didn't feel that and you know his crew was on the radio telling him that Marcos was coming inside as soon as it was happening so he closed the door too late. The thing is Jimmie almost took out Jeff couple years ago at Dega running him below the yellow to gain a spot, so he has a history of not being a teammate friendly person.

I mean it's not like he didn't know what just happened and how it happened because I'm sure both his spotter and Chad told him what the caution was about.

 

[Ganon83]

The thing is Jimmie almost took out Jeff couple years ago at Dega running him below the yellow to gain a spot, so he has a history of not being a teammate friendly person.

Don't forget the now infamous (because of ICEYOU) comment of "4 time" being a little "upset".

 

[RACECAR]

There is NO way he didn't feel that and you know his crew was on the radio telling him that Marcos was coming inside as soon as it was happening so he closed the door too late. The thing is Jimmie almost took out Jeff couple years ago at Dega running him below the yellow to gain a spot, so he has a history of not being a teammate friendly person.

Except its been how long since that's happened? He hasn't done it every year.


I think the only reason this is even being discussed is because Jimmie has been whiny about the restarts AND the fact that he's dominated races, winning some of them. If he wasn't, we would be just looking at this as a typical restrictor plate accident. Restrictor plate racing has returned back to pack racing (Because apparently 2 car tandems "were boring") and we're back to having those kinds of accidents because of it.

I also love how people remember Jimmie and the thingsd he's done but not when he got it done to him by Vickers at Talladega years ago.

 

[Wilbur]

Don't forget the now infamous (because of ICEYOU) comment of "4 time" being a little "upset".

I don't pay him any attention anymore so I really don't really have a clue what he says.

Except its been how long since that's happened? He hasn't done it every year.


I think the only reason this is even being discussed is because Jimmie has been whiny about the restarts AND the fact that he's dominated races, winning some of them. If he wasn't, we would be just looking at this as a typical restrictor plate accident. Restrictor plate racing has returned back to pack racing (Because apparently 2 car tandems "were boring") and we're back to having those kinds of accidents because of it.

I also love how people remember Jimmie and the thingsd he's done but not when he got it done to him by Vickers at Talladega years ago.

He did it in 2011, so he got one season that he didn't have the run ins he has over the years. My point is he is out for himself every race and rarely looks at anyone as a true teammate to help them maybe win or what might affect their race in a bad way.

Honestly he isn't someone who has stood out for me this year even though as won 4 times. The three biggest people I think got my attention this year are Kahne, Kenseth and Ku Busch. They have flat out been better overall but had some crappy luck to go along with it too.

We are comparing someone who has 5 titles and alot of wins as a teammate compared to someone who made the chase ONCE and is back in Nationwide trying to win. Vickers has his bonehead deals too like Martinsville, or we can even claim Sonoma with Stewart (which we knew that was coming and no one even had issue with it really). Every driver has made a mistake but most seem to be a little more worried or will mention a teammate if they took them out. I don't care if he is the leader, the best thing in the sport weekly....He is Hendrick's little toy to dangle around infront of folks and do as he wishes. They have always bent the rules which you won't hear me complain about either, they found the gray area inwhich Nascar didn't like at the time but the gray area is legal game if you ask me until you make a rule saying no.

I'm not Jimmie fan but I'm not blinded by hate for him either. He has some talent and put up some stats that anyone can say is impressive regardless BUT that's no excuse for being like has over the years with how cocky he has become.

 

[Ganon83]

So...... when did Michael Schumacher start driving the 48?
And Wilbur, was referring to Gordon's comment over the radio at I think Texas in 2010 ("Looks like 4 time is a little upset")

 

[iRevelationz]

I don't pay him any attention anymore so I really don't really have a clue what he says.



He did it in 2011, so he got one season that he didn't have the run ins he has over the years. My point is he is out for himself every race and rarely looks at anyone as a true teammate to help them maybe win or what might affect their race in a bad way.

Honestly he isn't someone who has stood out for me this year even though as won 4 times. The three biggest people I think got my attention this year are Kahne, Kenseth and Ku Busch. They have flat out been better overall but had some crappy luck to go along with it too.

We are comparing someone who has 5 titles and alot of wins as a teammate compared to someone who made the chase ONCE and is back in Nationwide trying to win. Vickers has his bonehead deals too like Martinsville, or we can even claim Sonoma with Stewart (which we knew that was coming and no one even had issue with it really). Every driver has made a mistake but most seem to be a little more worried or will mention a teammate if they took them out. I don't care if he is the leader, the best thing in the sport weekly....He is Hendrick's little toy to dangle around infront of folks and do as he wishes. They have always bent the rules which you won't hear me complain about either, they found the gray area inwhich Nascar didn't like at the time but the gray area is legal game if you ask me until you make a rule saying no.

I'm not Jimmie fan but I'm not blinded by hate for him either. He has some talent and put up some stats that anyone can say is impressive regardless BUT that's no excuse for being like has over the years with how cocky he has become.

He did it in 2010, not 2011, so there's that.

Jimmie has 4 wins, the most top 10s, the most laps led, and 49-point-lead over 2nd. They've outright given 3 races away, whether it be driver error or bad pit calls. How in the world can you say anyone has been better than that team this year, let alone three?

He's comparing a mistake to a mistake. The only reason Vickers was torched at Talladega that year was because he took out Junior along with Jimmie. When Jimmie makes a mistake, let's all jump on him for how dirty of a driver he is. It's Jimmie, doesn't matter what the situation is, he's automatically a dirty driver.

 

[Niop]

It doesn't matter what Jimmie does, it's always the wrong thing. There's no way for him to win. Quit with the hate, it was just a racing incident. This is what plate racing creates, drivers attempting to pass and drivers attempting to block.

I'm curious as to what the reaction would be if Jimmie and Marcos were in opposite positions. I reckon Jimmie would still be getting the hate for trying to overtake.

 

[Wilbur]

It doesn't matter what Jimmie does, it's always the wrong thing. There's no way for him to win. Quit with the hate, it was just a racing incident. This is what plate racing creates, drivers attempting to pass and drivers attempting to block.

I'm curious as to what the reaction would be if Jimmie and Marcos were in opposite positions. I reckon Jimmie would still be getting the hate for trying to overtake.

Let's look at the facts here. I don't hold this higher attitude for any drivers, if they mess up they mess up etc. The thing is Jimmie can't exactly say he didn't know Marcos wasn't inside or that didn't have an idea about who wrecked or how before the end of the race.

Jimmie got wide and left the lane open for Ambrose to get a nose in. If Jimmie had come down attempting to block, he would have been turned across his nose and send off on his way probably taking the top 3 atleast. He didn't and the move he made was basically tailed Ambrose to slow the run he had or push him to have to lift which sent him into Kahne and we saw the results.

He did it in 2010, not 2011, so there's that.

Jimmie has 4 wins, the most top 10s, the most laps led, and 49-point-lead over 2nd. They've outright given 3 races away, whether it be driver error or bad pit calls. How in the world can you say anyone has been better than that team this year, let alone three?

He's comparing a mistake to a mistake. The only reason Vickers was torched at Talladega that year was because he took out Junior along with Jimmie. When Jimmie makes a mistake, let's all jump on him for how dirty of a driver he is. It's Jimmie, doesn't matter what the situation is, he's automatically a dirty driver.

You are missing what I even remotely said...I said what stands out to ME. He hasn't been someone that really ever comes on my radar as far as performances, neither has Kenseth until this year which I'm like damn he is upfront ALOT. I'm not saying Jimmie hasn't lost races from things happening, but they all have. You expect Jimmie to be a front runner period.

Kurt went from losing his ride to a half ass ride to now is in the damn chase. That's pretty impressive period considering he has had issues at the same time. Who would have actually expected Matt to go over to JGR and just start clicking off wins right away and be a front runner alot of the time or Kahne being 2nd strongest car at Hendrick overall (which that move probably should have been done when Evernham left ownership).

I mean I can think of alot bigger stories or things that have impressed me this year than Jimmie. Joey could make the chase this year in a first year with a new team, where that car has pretty much been a drama filled car (it still is but it's been steady all year long). Menard was strong but has had set backs lately.

Jimmie is who he is, he is very vanilla period. I don't like him because you expect him to win and he has at times thinks someone owes him things over the years. Tony has been just as cocky or crappy attitude at times. Every driver has their good and bad faults but how I see what Jimmie did was a bad move on is part and I do think he is a selfish teammate to others.

 

[iRevelationz]

You are missing what I even remotely said...I said what stands out to ME. He hasn't been someone that really ever comes on my radar as far as performances, neither has Kenseth until this year which I'm like damn he is upfront ALOT. I'm not saying Jimmie hasn't lost races from things happening, but they all have. You expect Jimmie to be a front runner period.

Kurt went from losing his ride to a half ass ride to now is in the damn chase. That's pretty impressive period considering he has had issues at the same time. Who would have actually expected Matt to go over to JGR and just start clicking off wins right away and be a front runner alot of the time or Kahne being 2nd strongest car at Hendrick overall (which that move probably should have been done when Evernham left ownership).

I mean I can think of alot bigger stories or things that have impressed me this year than Jimmie. Joey could make the chase this year in a first year with a new team, where that car has pretty much been a drama filled car (it still is but it's been steady all year long). Menard was strong but has had set backs lately.

Jimmie is who he is, he is very vanilla period. I don't like him because you expect him to win and he has at times thinks someone owes him things over the years. Tony has been just as cocky or crappy attitude at times. Every driver has their good and bad faults but how I see what Jimmie did was a bad move on is part and I do think he is a selfish teammate to others.

I'm well aware of what you said, and it makes me wonder if you've been watching the same NASCAR I have for the last decade. I don't understand how anyone can sit there with a straight face and say Jimmie doesn't strike them as a frontrunner. The guy has won 5 straight championships and 64 races. If that's not a force to you then I'd hate to see what is. Yeah, I expect to see Jimmie be a frontrunner period. Care to give me one reason why I shouldn't?

Kurt going to a relatively underfunded team and contending for top 5s and leading laps almost every week is impressive. Now he's top 10 in points, which makes it that much better. But, you mentioned Kurt as one of the three that's been "flat out better overall" than Jimmie. I'm saying that's absolutely asinine. Yeah Kurt has had bad luck, but I could say the same thing for Jimmie. What's done is done, so we look at what we have now. Right now I see Jimmie with 4 wins and a commanding points lead with the most laps led of anyone, but somehow that's not a frontrunner.

 

[Wilbur]

I'm well aware of what you said, and it makes me wonder if you've been watching the same NASCAR I have for the last decade. I don't understand how anyone can sit there with a straight face and say Jimmie doesn't strike them as a frontrunner. The guy has won 5 straight championships and 64 races. If that's not a force to you then I'd hate to see what is. Yeah, I expect to see Jimmie be a frontrunner period. Care to give me one reason why I shouldn't?

Kurt going to a relatively underfunded team and contending for top 5s and leading laps almost every week is impressive. Now he's top 10 in points, which makes it that much better. But, you mentioned Kurt as one of the three that's been "flat out better overall" than Jimmie. I'm saying that's absolutely asinine. Yeah Kurt has had bad luck, but I could say the same thing for Jimmie. What's done is done, so we look at what we have now. Right now I see Jimmie with 4 wins and a commanding points lead with the most laps led of anyone, but somehow that's not a frontrunner.

You are turning my words around, I never said Jimmie wasn't a front runner. I said he doesn't show up on my radar, you noticed he wasn't the only one who hasn't either.

There are a few guys you know will be upfront every race, no matter what. Jimmie is usually one of those guys, so to seem him struggle gets my attention more than see him upfront. Points lead means crap at this point in the game, so far he is TIED for the point lead.

No one said you shouldn't see him as a front runner but overall he isn't someone I think has the talent people assume he has. He has top 10 talent for the most part but his team makes up a HUGE part of why he is so good.

 

[Müle]

All of the JJ hate is pretty stupid, honestly.