2013 NASCAR Thread

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Unfortunately, all of this is irrelevant because we have the chase and Johnson is in fact a 5 time champ, as much as we all wish it wasn't that way. Otherwise, Mark Martin, Kyle Busch, Tony Stewart, Carl Edwards, Denny Hamlin, Clint Bowyer, and others would have never had a shot to challenge for the championship.
 
ICEYOU
So basically the commercial should be like, "Winning a 7th championship might add to your legacy, but is it enough to make you a legend? Because there's big difference between being the best driver of your generation and being the best driver ever." ESPN on Gordon
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Did you really have to quote him twice in two separate posts? :dunce:

Jahgee1124
Honestly I like that list of champions more than Johnson x5
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Ditto.

lintels123
Unfortunately, all of this is irrelevant because we have the chase and Johnson is in fact a 5 time champ, as much as we all wish it wasn't that way. Otherwise, Mark Martin, Kyle Busch, Tony Stewart, Carl Edwards, Denny Hamlin, Clint Bowyer, and others would have never had a shot to challenge for the championship.
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So because they can't win all the time and earn a championship the normal way, NASCAR gives them the chance to be mediocre for most of the season and then the last 10 races they can sneak in and be the champ.

Not the best way, IMO.
 
We can all thank Brian Braindead France Jr. for wanting to implement playoffs in NASCAR. :grumpy: He tried to fix what wasn't broken, and ended up driving NASCAR straight into the sewer in the decade since he became CEO. 👎
 
The same case can be made for wildcard teams in the stick & ball sports, the NFL especially. How many teams that just barely made the cut have gone to the Super Bowl? The Giants did it most recently.
 
Blitz24
ESPN makes any commercial about a NASCAR driver, that guy you quoted will call it a legacy.
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Denying Jimmie and Chad have a legacy is lunacy. Whom else in the modern era of NASCAR has more championships? Who has more consecutive championships? The 48's mark in all of sport is among the most elite.

As it was stated when the ad was originally posted, ESPN is great at building hype through advertising.

As a Jeff Gordon fan from before ICY was pooping in his diapers, I fear Jeff is done with championships. The Chase and the COT screwed him.
 
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ICEYOU
I like how the media acts like the Gordon era never happened.
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You were also the one that acted like Gordon era of the mid to late 90s into early 00s never happened.

Jahgee1124
I was about to make the same bet, but make it permanent
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Trust me that was exactly the same thought that ran across my mind, but one I don't think he would have done it. Secondly I think some mods might not like that.
 
Didn't ICY "promise" Brad was going to win The Chase (this year)? I chastised him about making promises a few pages back.

If he is seriously agreeing to this bet, should Jordan be made aware? What's to stop him from coming back?
 
Jahgee1124
C'mon man, go big or go home :lol:
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:lol:

I rather see if he lives up to the bet. Basically if Gordon doesn't win this weekend that means I win and after Richmond he has to uphold the bet. If Gordon some how does, then he's bought himself a few more weeks, but there is no way Jeff is winning the championship.

Anyways, from the list I've seen so far it looks like Junior's consistency would have had him closer to winning in the old points system than the chase.
 
R1600Turbo
So because they can't win all the time and earn a championship the normal way, NASCAR gives them the chance to be mediocre for most of the season and then the last 10 races they can sneak in and be the champ.

Not the best way, IMO.
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I didn't say i like format at all, it's just how it is. Gives those "mediocre" teams a chance. They play it smart and set up for the end while others can, if the want to, try to be dominate and go for it through out the full season.
 
DaveTheStalker
Didn't ICY "promise" Brad was going to win The Chase (this year)? I chastised him about making promises a few pages back.

If he is seriously agreeing to this bet, should Jordan be made aware? What's to stop him from coming back?
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Just made a thread in Site Support asking about it.
 
ICEYOU
What? I promised I won't come back for a year.

EDIT:If gordon doesn't win the championship.
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No. A couple of days ago you promised Brad would be in the Chase or win it. I told you not to make promises for things you have no control of whatsoever. The issue is the promise, not the who. It was not a promise having a consequence. It was a promise as in you had knowledge of the outcome of a future event outcome.

Understand?

I stand corrected:
ICEYOU
This is a really good move, I promise you that in the next 3 years Stewart hass will win another championship!

It must be the #97! And sharpie must come back to sponsor kurt aswell!!!

#43 Legacy
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DaveTheStalker
ICEY, don't make promises for things in which you have zero control over.
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You can't really claim that Gordon would have more or less because of the chase. Same with any other driver, people drove different during the chase. So it's just a what if based statement which doesn't hold weight.
 
Wilbur
You can't really claim that Gordon would have more or less because of the chase. Same with any other driver, people drove different during the chase. So it's just a what if based statement which doesn't hold weight.
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I guess, but going off what is shown since it can be easily said that all drivers in the chase were running just as hard to make it in. The same can be said during the old system, even if you weren't going to win a championship by the last 12 or 10 races you were still racing hard for the win and money as well.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I guess, but going off what is shown since it can be easily said that all drivers in the chase were running just as hard to make it in. The same can be said during the old system, even if you weren't going to win a championship by the last 12 or 10 races you were still racing hard for the win and money as well.
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But point racing is different in the chase or even now. Before guys would go for wins or not because to the huge margins but honestly finishing 2nd is almost as good these days over the long run than only few wins with alot of mid pack finishes. Just look at the different between Carl and Tony, Tony raced like the old system while Carl was points racing more.
 
Wilbur
But point racing is different in the chase or even now. Before guys would go for wins or not because to the huge margins but honestly finishing 2nd is almost as good these days over the long run than only few wins with alot of mid pack finishes. Just look at the different between Carl and Tony, Tony raced like the old system while Carl was points racing more.
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I knew you were going to use 2011 to make a point. :D

I wouldn't say that Carl was strictly running a chase only he only had the one win, if was chase only he should have tried for more wins knowing what kind of help it gives when the chase starts. One win over a guy with no wins isn't a big help since one race can easily smash that gap. I get what you're saying people can slack off because the chase is what matters, but I don't fully agree because most seasons since the induction of the chase show close racing. People work as hard in either system, if there was no chase after this weekend there are several drivers close to JJ and would probably run just as hard to close and win the championship.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
I knew you were going to use 2011 to make a point. :D

I wouldn't say that Carl was strictly running a chase only he only had the one win, if was chase only he should have tried for more wins knowing what kind of help it gives when the chase starts. One win over a guy with no wins isn't a big help since one race can easily smash that gap. I get what you're saying people can slack off because the chase is what matters, but I don't fully agree because most seasons since the induction of the chase show close racing. People work as hard in either system, if there was no chase after this weekend there are several drivers close to JJ and would probably run just as hard to close and win the championship.
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It's just had to say if that would have been the real finishing order or not based on different systems. Do I think really would make a difference, probably not to be honest.

The whole team that really got the Chase down was the 48, they were pretty good all year. Chase time, they were on rails every race for most part.
 
I read an article on Grantland (owned/operated by ESPN) about Roger Federer, and the writer mentioned what the word "legacy" means to him, which made me think about one of our very special users here.

There's some talk afterward, as there always is these days, about whether Federer should retire. This drives me crazy, so give me a second. Watching Federer decline makes me sad. Watching him lose to Tommy Robredo, whom he'd beaten easily in all 10 of their previous matches, made me sad. And if I could build a bonfire out of every editorial and every blog post arguing that the ol' champ should hang 'em up before he tarnishes his "legacy," I would build it, then I would burn the ashes, then I would blast the sticky ash-residue out into space, then I would fire warheads at the space capsule. Have you ever bothered to think about what "legacy," in this sense, really means? Legacy is a marketing tool; it exists for the convenience of people who want to sell you something. It has nothing to do with the athlete, whose accomplishments aren't going to change if he plays past his prime, literally aren't going to change at all, because Skip Bayless doesn't own a time machine. Legacy is a post-Jordan, made-up idea that glorifies "going out on top" as part of a corporate strategy, presuming that fans don't have memories and can't cope with the complexity of a human life. Legacy belongs in the same pile of bogus thought-propaganda as "controlling the narrative" and "personal brand." I would fire warheads at the warheads, I'm not kidding.
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I couldn't agree more. :lol:
 
MustangRyan
I read an article on Grantland (owned/operated by ESPN) about Roger Federer, and the writer mentioned what the word "legacy" means to him, which made me think about one of our very special users here.
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Somewhere up there, the creator(s) of the word 'legacy' is/are smiling...
 
I just looked up "legacy" in the online dictionaries. Legacy is more about what is left behind for family members. Legend is probably the word we should be using referring to what the public will think of public figures when they retire.
 
DaveTheStalker
I just looked up "legacy" in the online dictionaries. Legacy is more about what is left behind for family members. Legend is probably the word we should be using referring to what the public will think of public figures when they retire.
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Let's not encourage the behavior though...
 

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