2014 FIFA World Cup - Brazil

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C-ZETA
Certainly a good goal. But I wouldn't call it goal of the cup yet...
Or even so far. Yeah, bite me...
You can just tell James will be pure class.
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Me can see the R Madrid president reaching for the cheque book already.:rolleyes:
 
As I said before, Brazil has a weak defense. But Hulk scored a valid goal and the referee robbed us.
At least, hopefully, some ignorant people will stop saying that FIFA is behind Brazil and the referees are our 12th player.
 
V8-Johnboy
Me can see the R Madrid president reaching for the cheque book already.:rolleyes:
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He's at Monaco though, remember.
So there's several things going against a move to anywhere, really.
 
Lucas
Brazil's first goal was an own goal.
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It has been given to David Luiz.
Lucas
The header was not on target
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That's why it was a shot on goal (one of 23) and not a shot on target.
C-ZETA
Not sure how not shooting is relevant. The fact is that Brazil weren't racking up the important stat - the goals.
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But they are.

They've scored 8 goals so far, from seventy shots. That's not a very high conversion rate - 8.8% - and Colombia have scored more (10) from fewer shots (37) but that isn't the point. The point is that you have to shoot on goal to have a chance of scoring a goal. If you don't shoot on goal, you don't score a goal. Well... usually. The more you shoot, the better your chance of scoring.

Every time you let your opponents shoot, you risk them scoring. Brazil have been allowed to shoot 70 times. 29 of those have been on target - needing your last man to save you - and 8 of those have been goals. No manager will be looking at Brazil and thinking "Ha, they've only scored 8 times in 4 games. No problem.". They'll be thinking "Christ, they've had 70 shots on goal, 29 on target, in four games. How do I defend against that?".

Writing them off on goals scored is naive. Look at how many attempts they take. Letting them take 17 attempts at you a game is riding your luck.
 
C-ZETA
He's at Monaco though, remember.
So there's several things going against a move to anywhere, really.
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Other than a South American chucking an issy sell me fit, your right.:sly:
 
Famine
It has been given to David Luiz.
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I don't care who the goal was given to, the fact is the Chilean player sends the ball into his own net. Just because the FIFA says something it doesn't make it a fact. Especially when they are wrong.

BTW, when I meant the header was not on-target, I meant that if at least it was on target the goal could considered to be scored by that player and not an own goal.
 
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Lucas
I don't care to whom the goal was given to, the fact is the Chilean player sends the ball into his own net. Just because the FIFA says something it doesn't make it a fact. Especially when they are wrong.
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Unfortunately, everyone's saying it's Luiz's goal - not just FIFA. I can't really tell either way from the video, but it shall be entered into the official stats as a Brazil goal for a Brazil player.
 
Famine
They've scored 8 goals so far
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of which half came against Cameroon. 3 came against Croatia, all of which could have been saved by the goalie then...

That's not a very high conversion rate - 8.8%
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Which is crucially what you tend to need to look impressive enough to win the World Cup.
A team with the capability of Brazil really should be able to score more than one goal against Chile. If it were France in their place, they would have managed at least 5 from that number of shots. The Dutch would have managed at least 5 more than that.
 
2-0 Rodriguez!!
 
Famine
Unfortunately, everyone's saying it's Luiz's goal - not just FIFA. I can't really tell either way from the video, but it shall be entered into the official stats as a Brazil goal for a Brazil player.
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Fair enough, still from what I see it's pretty clear that the Chilean player changes the direction of the ball towards his goal, and I reckon the ball slightly touches David Luiz, but in no way he is responsible for steering the ball towards the goal.
 
Rodriguez becomes the top goal scorer with 5..
 
Makes England's loss to Uruguay easier to take, having said that they don't have Suarez to rely on.
 
C-ZETA
Which is crucially what you tend to need to look impressive enough to win the World Cup.
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No.

Kay. Let's start with that figure - 8.8%. 8.8% of the shots Brazil take are goals, right? That means that, on average, they need 12 shots to score a goal, right? So, what happens if you let them take 24 shots in a game? What happens if you restrict them to 6? In which of those two games would you say Brazil have a higher chance of scoring?

It's really not that complicated. The more shots you take, the more chance you have of scoring. That means that, as a manager faced with them as opposition, you have to prevent them from taking the shots. Any manager who approaches the game thinking Brazil can take as many shots as they like because they think they won't score is a manager who will be flying home after the game.


How many they've scored to get them to the point where they're playing you isn't relevant - they've done that. It's how many times they're shooting at goal in the game that's relevant, because the more you let them do it, the more they will score. This applies to any team - even England.
 
Famine
Neymar corner, Thiago Silva header on goal, David Luiz scores. Look at the title of your video, look at who the goal is credited to by FIFA. It's the Brazilian defender David Luiz, coverting Thiago Silva's shot (with his head) on goal.Except the one they did score. And it's irrelevant how many goals they have - or haven't - scored to get them to the place they are now. If you let them shoot you give them a chance at scoring against you. They took 23 shots against Chile - one every five minutes - and any one of them could have lead to a goal (or not).

Shots lead to goals. Not shots don't lead to goals.
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The last person touching the ball clearly is the Chilean defender. With his leg. Don't forget that the FIFA makes mistakes sometimes. Remember Mexico's two rejected goals?

I'm just saying that Brazil shooting on goal all time isn't as important as you think it is, since they don't actually score that often. If you got good defenders you could probably get a clean sheet. Since they never had a clean sheet themselves this WC they aren't really as big of an opponent as they seem anyway. Chile almost beat them already.
 
Of course it was an own goal. No doubt about it. Even without any replay that was clear.
 
@DiabolicalMask Certainly not as good as they were four years ago....and that jokes gone right over your head!
 
NICKname
The last person touching the ball clearly is the Chilean defender. With his leg.
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DiabolicalMask
Of course it was an own goal. No doubt about it. Even without any replay that was clear.
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At the moment, every football authority on Earth disagrees with you. On the replay in slow motion it looks like Jara's foot kicks it into the right side of Luiz's abdomen - giving Luiz the last touch - but I can't really tell.
Lucas
You mean you wouldn't be worried about Brazil shooting 100 times on your goal?
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Exactly.

If San Marino play Germany with the condition that Germany may never shoot on goal and every time San Marino get the ball they must be allowed to shoot at goal, who will win?

More shots = more chance of a goal.
 
Famine
on average, they need 12 shots to score a goal, right? So, what happens if you let them take 24 shots in a game? What happens if you restrict them to 6? In which of those two games would you say Brazil have a higher chance of scoring?
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The 24 shots game. But it's not like they can't fail to score with 24 shots and score 6 with 6 shots. And Brazil don't look like a team who can do the latter.
It's not about numbers, it's how a team performs on the day. And for me Brazil have not shown enough quality to prove themselves as winners. Especially when you remember, they were meant to be favourites.

And whatever Brazil do, it's not like it'll matter. Because one James Rodriguez is giving Urugay hell on earth, as my respect for him continues to grow in leaps and bounds.
 
Famine
...into the right side of Luiz's abdomen - giving Luiz the last touch
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If anything, the ball would touch Luiz's arm, never the abdomen. Incidentally, his arm is moving - quickly - away from the goal. So, in my opinion, if the ball had really touched Luiz, it would have been in his arm and probably would send the ball away from the goal.

But enough of this. It won't take us anywhere.
 
Lucas
You mean you wouldn't be worried about Brazil shooting 100 times on your goal?
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I would be worried about every shot on goal by anyone - if you don't care it will be like shooting on open goal.

On the manager's side however there should be focused less on defending as it seems that Chile's level (and Mexico's to a lesser extent) would be enough.
Famine
At the moment, every football authority on Earth disagrees with you. On the replay in slow motion it looks like Jara's foot kicks it into the right side of Luiz's abdomen - giving Luiz the last touch - but I can't really tell.Exactly.
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To me it seems like it bounces of his leg straight into the goal.
 
C-ZETA
The 24 shots game. But it's not like they can't fail to score with 24 shots and score 6 with 6 shots.
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Famine
Shots lead to goals. 23 is a lot of shots, even in 120 minutes, and on another night, six of them could have gone in. Or none. Minimising how many shots your opponent has is half of the battle.
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C-ZETA
And Brazil don't look like a team who can do the latter.
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They don't have to be. They're making the shots and the more shots they make the more chance they have of scoring.

And as I said, it's half the battle. The other half is making sure your guys make the shots too. They let Chile take 13 shots and Chile had a conversion rate to that point of 20%...
C-ZETA
It's not about numbers, it's how a team performs on the day.
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It's about numbers, specifically the numbers in the scoreline. Let Brazil take 23 shots on goal in a game and you'll be lucky if the scoreline is in your favour, regardless of how they perform.
NICKname
I would be worried about every shot on goal by anyone
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And that's the point. To stop the opposition from scoring you have to stop them from shooting.
 
"Garra charrúa" my ass. Dirty play, more like.
 
Lugano gets a booking when he is on the bench...and will miss the next game!
 
Famine
It's about numbers, specifically the numbers in the scoreline.
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C-ZETA
The fact is that Brazil weren't racking up the important stat - the goals.
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Personally, I see how a team is playing on the field and decide how they're doing that way. Numbers can confirm what I see on the field - or disprove, but usually completely fail to change my actual opinion.
 
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