2015 Dodge Challenger

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Harry6784
Exactly. Horsepower does not equal performance. Old SRT-8 with 470hp/470tq can only manage a high 12 second quarter mile. Challengers have always been land yachts and it seems like Dodge tried to fix this problem by throwing globs of power at it. 4400+lb nose heavy car + rudimentary suspension and I wouldn't be surprised if it was out-handled by a brick.
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Bilstein did the Hellcat suspension. Not saying it's going to be a track star, but it should easily be the most competent Challenger yet.
 
I've stated before, I've never really been into Challengers but the Hellcat has caught my attention. Here's to hoping that it corners decently...all things considered of course.
 
Cale
Bilstein did the Hellcat suspension. Not saying it's going to be a track star, but it should easily be the most competent Challenger yet.
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How that stacks up to everyone else we have to wait and see. But gas pressurized suspension compared to the Magnetic and DSSV isn't really in the same class. I don't recall what the new Mustangs will have and really no one knows because the specs on any upper performance version have yet to be given or even seen.
 
The following is a transcript of how the Hellcat has 707 HP:

Guy 1: Gents, the muscle car war is on!

Guy 2: And AMG is winning it.

Guy 3: No, it's actually Ford.

Guy 1: But at least that bloody GT500 is out of production now.

Guy 3: Yes, but they'll be back.

Guy 2: AMG is going all-wheel drive anyway, the fools.

Guy 1: Indeed. How much hp does Chevy have now?

Guy 3: 580 in the ZL1 Camaro.

Guy 1: Pussies. How much can we do?

Guy 2: More?

Guy 3: 707.

Guy 1: Why 707?

Guy 3: Why not?

Guy 1: Good point. Get on with it. Make it red too and call it devil or something.

Guy 3: Beer?

Everybody: Beer.
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All we know is that the engine has a high horsepower number and a nice exhaust system attached to it, yet people are acting like this engine is a godsend.

It might be heavy. It's probably heavy.

It might have reliability issues.

It might have a crappy powerband.

It certainly can be outgunned by existing NA engines with a Supercharger bolted on.

What is so amazing about this engine that I am missing? It seems like a blown small block to me.
 
Cale
Bilstein did the Hellcat suspension. Not saying it's going to be a track star, but it should easily be the most competent Challenger yet.
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Did they actually do anything other than installing their shocks?
I ask because bilstein simply being the supplier of the parts means diddly squat.
Low end OEM bilstein parts are about as good as any other OEM parts.
 
im sorry but aftermarket Bolt-on SC's for The Hemi's are NOT that great, especially with the PCM Issue with the Hemi's. Why else does the Hennessy Challenger (about 580hp) has a slower 1/4 Mile time than the Standard SRT's.


Also the Suspension has been revamped in the Hellcat. Prior Challengers could only fit 255's in the front, thats with a offset wheel.
 
VXR
I have an unholy idea of taking the Rolls Royce Ghost from my dream last night and putting the Hellcat engine in it.

Hellcat all the things!
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I'm going to hellcat my washing machine and my blender!

psntomaz
im sorry but aftermarket Bolt-on SC's for The Hemi's are NOT that great, especially with the PCM Issue with the Hemi's. Why else does the Hennessy Challenger (about 580hp) has a slower 1/4 Mile time than the Standard SRT's.


Also the Suspension has been revamped in the Hellcat. Prior Challengers could only fit 255's in the front, thats with a offset wheel.
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Well one because it's built by Hennessy and cut
 
That's right around what the GT500 ran. That's pretty good given the cars weight. Must hook up well.
 
That can easily be combated with a lower overall weight though.
 
Johnny_Clash
Not quite. Even Ferd claimed "only" 11.7. Fastest I saw from a magazine test was 11.6
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I have heard it's good for 11.2's and 10.9s depending on elevation. But that can fluctuate a lot.
 
Slash
I have heard it's good for 11.2's and 10.9s depending on elevation. But that can fluctuate a lot.
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Then why would Ferd not claim that?

As you mentioned, 11.2-10.9 is complete hearsay, and those were probably not a stock examples if true. I'd rather trust things like Ferd's claim, because a manufacturer is generally gonna give you the best possible numbers (or their average), meaning they probably tested in the ideal temperature and elevation. And Ferd's number is backed up by instrumented testing done by professional drivers at the 4 major auto mags, all of them running 11.6-11.8.
 
Zenith
All we know is that the engine has a high horsepower number and a nice exhaust system attached to it, yet people are acting like this engine is a godsend.

It might be heavy. It's probably heavy.

It might have reliability issues.

It might have a crappy powerband.

It certainly can be outgunned by existing NA engines with a Supercharger bolted on.

What is so amazing about this engine that I am missing? It seems like a blown small block to me.
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Because its 707hp from the factory with warranty and will almost certainly be cheaper than any other car you can buy with a factory warranty with 700hp+. You may not like Chrysler but what they're offering here is pretty amazing for a factory car at its price but if the car ends up being over 100K, I take back the value of this package.
 
Blkout
will almost certainly be cheaper than any other car you can buy with a factory warranty with 700hp+.
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I can't think of any "mainstream" car that has more than 700HP and costs under $300,000
And dodge is sitting there like... "$75000 sounds good"
 
ildd
I can't think of any "mainstream" car that has more than 700HP and costs under $300,000
And dodge is sitting there like... "$75000 sounds good"
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Super Snake GT500's crank out 850.

But really, I don't even know if I could call the normal GT500 "mainstream".
 
Slash
Super Snake GT500's crank out 850.

But really, I don't even know if I could call the normal GT500 "mainstream".
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I'd call the gt500 mainstream. But definitely not the SuperSnake.
 
Blkout
Because its 707hp from the factory with warranty and will almost certainly be cheaper than any other car you can buy with a factory warranty with 700hp+. You may not like Chrysler but what they're offering here is pretty amazing for a factory car at its price but if the car ends up being over 100K, I take back the value of this package.
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How is it amazing? I mean you can't use it most places unless you plan to go to the drag strip every other day. We've yet to see it perform with that much power at this point it may do no better than a Z/28 with 200 less horse power so that 707hp would quickly become hollow.

And besides that you picked a weak Zenith post to quote when he's posted better ones in this thread, I mean talk about picking your battles.

Slash
Super Snake GT500's crank out 850.

But really, I don't even know if I could call the normal GT500 "mainstream".
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We went over this in the Mustang thread I'd think you would have gotten the point there...
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
How is it amazing? I mean you can't use it most places unless you plan to go to the drag strip every other day. We've yet to see it perform with that much power at this point it may do no better than a Z/28 with 200 less horse power so that 707hp would quickly become hollow.

And besides that you picked a weak Zenith post to quote when he's posted better ones in this thread, I mean talk about picking your battles.
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Some people will see what they want to see I guess. The Youtube video linked above already showed a 10.8 pass on drag radials driven by a damn owner of a custom car garage. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could not call that impressive for a factory muscle car with warranty at its price.
 
Blkout
Some people will see what they want to see I guess. The Youtube video linked above already showed a 10.8 pass on drag radials driven by a damn owner of a custom car garage. I don't know how anyone in their right mind could not call that impressive for a factory muscle car with warranty at its price.
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Because there is more than a straight line, did you read my post at all? Or did you like many on here now days see a rebuttal not take in it's value of what's being said and then actually think about a response?

I'll repeat, unless the plan for all the owners is to buy this car and everyday after work go to the local drag strip before dinner, then what's the point of 707hp? If it can't turn numbers on a track outside a drag strip what's the point?

If all this is is a car to inflate what isn't in an owners pants then I guess this is an expensive way of doing it, or you could just fork over 20k more on one of the many dusty Vipers on the same Dodge lots that will have the Hellcat, and actually be able to do more.

As for the 10.8 I'm not that impressed, when their top tier car that is back logged for sales and been price cut does 11.2 and offers more as far as we know for now. If it does other thing well than a simple 1/4mile which most people in here expect it to shine at, then I'll be impressed.
 
Do you know how fast a 10.8 second 1/4 mile is? I'm just curious. 10-15 years ago that was entirely non street legal territory. A 13 flat to the average person is 🤬 fast if you are in the car.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Because there is more than a straight line, did you read my post at all? Or did you like many on here now days see a rebuttal not take in it's value of what's being said and then actually think about a response?

I'll repeat, unless the plan for all the owners is to buy this car and everyday after work go to the local drag strip before dinner, then what's the point of 707hp? If it can't turn numbers on a track outside a drag strip what's the point?

If all this is is a car to inflate what isn't in an owners pants then I guess this is an expensive way of doing it, or you could just fork over 20k more on one of the many dusty Vipers on the same Dodge lots that will have the Hellcat, and actually be able to do more.

As for the 10.8 I'm not that impressed, when their top tier car that is back logged for sales and been price cut does 11.2 and offers more as far as we know for now. If it does other thing well than a simple 1/4mile which most people in here expect it to shine at, then I'll be impressed.
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I don't have to read your posts to know where I stand on this. The Challenger wasn't built to carve canyons, you do know this right? I don't even know why you're debating this. The Challenger is a muscle car, it was built to go fast in a straight line, it just so happens that it also stops very well too. Handling is good enough, but certainly not a road racing car and never was marketed as such, you do know its a 4000lb+ car right? People know what they're buying when they buy a car like this, they're not at Road America trying to outrun Porsche 911's and Corvette Z06's.
 
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Slash
Do you know how fast a 10.8 second 1/4 mile is? I'm just curious. 10-15 years ago that was entirely non street legal territory. A 13 flat to the average person is 🤬 fast if you are in the car.
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Exactly. Coming from someone with a LONG history of drag racing, I can tell you that 10.8's, even on drag radials is really impressive for a factory car today, especially at the price of this car. A stock Nissan GTR on drag radials can run these times also with less HP, but it has a huge advantage with the DCT and all wheel drive and it costs more. The C7 Z06 will also run low 11's or high 10's most likely on drag radials but it has a huge weight advantage over the Challenger.
 

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