2015 Dodge Challenger

[ildd]

Random question-does anyone know if it will have a "full interior, " unlike the Z/28?

 

[psntomaz]

Random question-does anyone know if it will have a "full interior, " unlike the Z/28?

Like.....there are plenty of photos of the hellcats interior....it's as dressed up as the vipers

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

I make a string of posts because its annoying to do a multi-quote, no other reason, but thank you anyway forum Nazi.

If that's all you can gleam from it rather than a friendly reminder that will come sooner or later from the mods that read this thread, then you might want to once again not respond. It's clear now you have an attitude when people don't agree with you or tell you otherwise. However, we all edit our posts as you can see and don't do a string of them like you out of respect for the AUP. If you have a damn issue with that then why post on this forum if such a simple rule/task is that much out of your comfort zone.

Also thanks for enacting Godwin's Law.

Random question-does anyone know if it will have a "full interior, " unlike the Z/28?

How does the Z/28 not a full interior? It has all the important stuff you'd expect a car to have. And doing it while still cutting away 300 lbs

 

[Vagabond]

I make a string of posts because its annoying to do a multi-quote, no other reason, but thank you anyway forum Nazi.

Annoying or not, you will multi-quote instead of making multiple posts... because those are the rules. You will also refrain from abusing other members... even ones who are pointing out the rules to you.

 

[Blkout]

Annoying or not, you will multi-quote instead of making multiple posts... because those are the rules. You will also refrain from abusing other members... even ones who are pointing out the rules to you.

Didn't abuse anyone, didn't appreciate the deleted post either when it wasn't warranted.

 

[Tornado]

How does the Z/28 not a full interior?

Because by default it doesn't come with a radio or air conditioning. Those are extra cost options. It only comes with a one speaker jobby so you can hear door chimes and the like.

 

[ildd]

@ LMSCorvetteGT2 by "full interior" I meant A/C, a radio with more than one speaker, etc. Things like that can be taken out and reduce the weight, a la the Z/28 way.

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

@ LMSCorvetteGT2 by "full interior" I meant A/C, a radio with more than one speaker, etc. Things like that can be taken out and reduce the weight, a la the Z/28 way.

I know they can but the car has the option there have been other track cars, the ACR I think comes to mind that didn't have the option. There are other ways if I remember correctly that it lost weight than just amenities of interior comfort. I thought you were saying something else like the unneeded back seats were not on the car all around or something else that I may have missed.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Remains to be seen. Have you seen it tested already?

No but bone stock base model 460hp C7's have seen 11.5 with the auto tranny. Now add the Z06's 650hp/trq and a great powerband (the torque available at low rpm's is really impressive) and the 8 speed auto that claims to shift as fast as the Porsche's PDK, and fatter stickier tires and its gonna fly. There have been bone stock C6 ZR1's and Z06's on stock tires in the low 11's. Even a ZR1 breaking into high 10's. Documented on Corvette Forum's 'fastest list'.

 

[psntomaz]

Why is the vette in this discussion?

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Why is the vette in this discussion?

Why is it an issue if it is? This car is going to be compared and stacked up against the closest competitors in the High horsepower range to it.

 

[Organ-Donor]

Why is the vette in this discussion?

Because we were discussing 1/4 mile times of the Hellcat and he stated the new Z06 would do low 11's to high 10's on drag radials and I disputed that saying it would do that on stock tires.

 

[Vagabond]

Didn't abuse anyone, didn't appreciate the deleted post either when it wasn't warranted.

It was your post that wasn't warranted, nor was it on topic. The term Nazi certainly isn't a compliment either is it? I'd quit while you're ahead if I was you.

 

[RocZX]

 

[Azure Flare]

lol rear tires.

 

[McLaren]

While I'll applaud Dodge on being the first to offer a 700Hp car that the "average joe" can finally afford with a warranty, it's still nowhere as impressive as what Chevrolet let its engineers do with the Z/28 & the Camaro wasn't far off from being a heavy weight like the Challenger.

It's just a recycling of the old American way of making cars "better"; chuck more power at it, tweak everything else to handle it, call it a day. Chevrolet & Ford dumped this thought process years ago.

A Challenger has no business near Viper money. Same with the Z28 Camaro being the same price as the lowest trim level C7 Z06 (will prob start at around ~80k, with the top trim Z07 package right at 100k). The Shelby GT500 got it right (not counting dealer markups).

You can't really compare the two, though. One is clearly marketed as a track car that could probably get you back home if the sun's out. The other one is more than usable all-around. Guys with $80K to blow on either car will know which offers what they're after.

If not faster.


Its like the people that say 7.5 seconds to 60 is slow. Sure it is on paper. In practice you sure as hell know you are moving. I've been in a 14.2 second stock '70 Mach 1 and I sure as hell knew I was going fast.

That is slow. 14 second QTR miles are slow. Otherwise, I've got a damn race car sitting the garage.

 

[Zenith]

Its amazing because it exists with a factory warranty, meets much stricter gas and emission standard than non-US engines. Nothing more. Its impressive regardless if the haters want to give it any credit.

707hp isn't really that impressive for a blown small block. It hasn't come from a factory before and it's nice that it comes with a warranty, but...

All we know is that the engine has a high horsepower number and a nice exhaust system attached to it, yet people are acting like this engine is a godsend.

It might be heavy. It's probably heavy.

It might have reliability issues.

It might have a crappy powerband.

It certainly can be outgunned by existing NA engines with a Supercharger bolted on.

What is so amazing about this engine that I am missing? It seems like a blown small block to me.

We don't know much about the engine. See above. You see everyone talking about putting a Hellcat engine in a Charger, Rolls Royce, whatever? Why? We don't know the engine yet.

I'm just happy because I remember when you were king of the streets if you owned a 1988 225hp Mustang 5.0 and now we have cars from the factory that are cleaner running, getting 707hp and still meeting emission requirements and still getting decent gas mileage, although gas mileage has never been Chrysler/Dodge's strongsuit. Who knows, in less than a decade, we might even see a 1000hp street car meeting all of those same requirements.

Power is not much by itself, weight is a huge issue. I don't care if the cars of the future have 1000hp if they also weigh three tons. F=ma.

 

[VXR]

It's only a pipe dream about putting the engine in the Rolls Royce simply because the Hellcat sounds guttural and completely at odds with the RR's demeanour. It doesn't matter how it goes.

 

[Slash]

That is slow. 14 second QTR miles are slow.

I disagree.

 

[McLaren]

I disagree.

Care to actually post more than 2 words, then? Or I'll take a hunch and guess it's not slow because that's how fast the average stock muscle car was?

 

[Slash]

Up until the past 5 years or so, 14s were doing pretty damn good for a stock car. Anyone can run it now sure, but that doesn't mean the feeling of acceleration is slow. You know you are moving quickly. Even more so in an older vehicle that doesn't take so much road feel away.

 

[Cale]

We can only hope.

 

[Slash]

Me likey

 

[LMSCorvetteGT2]

Up until the past 5 years or so, 14s were doing pretty damn good for a stock car. Anyone can run it now sure, but that doesn't mean the feeling of acceleration is slow. You know you are moving quickly. Even more so in an older vehicle that doesn't take so much road feel away.

No, for 10 or 12 years now you could go out and by a I4 turbo and pull those numbers thanks to Dodge, Chevy, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Honda without force induction. It's not all that fast I'm sorry but it just isn't.

 

[Slash]

Well it seems fast to me. I guess that's all that matters

 

[psntomaz]

707hp isn't really that impressive for a blown small block. It hasn't come from a factory before and it's nice that it comes with a warranty, but...



We don't know much about the engine. See above. You see everyone talking about putting a Hellcat engine in a Charger, Rolls Royce, whatever? Why? We don't know the engine yet.



Power is not much by itself, weight is a huge issue. I don't care if the cars of the future have 1000hp if they also weigh three tons. F=ma.

What is there to know about it? The block is the same 6.4L Block.

No, for 10 or 12 years now you could go out and by a I4 turbo and pull those numbers thanks to Dodge, Chevy, Subaru, Mitsubishi, Honda without force induction. It's not all that fast I'm sorry but it just isn't.

Hell 1st Generation Neon SRT4's were dong 13's and that was only with 215hp, today mainly V6 powered cars, Sedan's/base performance cars, are doing 14s

 

[Zenith]

What is there to know about it? The block is the same 6.4L Block.

Which has been supercharged how many times?

How many of these engines see 707hp FI cams? How many of those cams are paired with valve springs and rockers that last a decent time? I'm guessing the had to change the rods and pistons to deal with the supercharger. What do we know about those? Will the bearings hold up? I remember when the S85 came out for the M5 and M6 people were talking about dropping that in everything... Right up until rod bearing issues started requiring expensive maintenance.

How many times have the oil pump, water pump, cooling systems, transmission and relevant accessories had to deal with the hopped up motor?

None. Is there anything wrong with that? No. I have enough faith in Chrysler's engineers, but the engine isn't proven and there was never much of an aftermarket for this engine to serve as testing. The engine is unproven and we know almost nothing about it.

 

[McLaren]

Up until the past 5 years or so, 14s were doing pretty damn good for a stock car. Anyone can run it now sure, but that doesn't mean the feeling of acceleration is slow. You know you are moving quickly. Even more so in an older vehicle that doesn't take so much road feel away.

Past 5 years? Showing your age again Slash. In the 90's, sure it was probably remotely quick, but now-a-days, 14 seconds isn't anywhere near fast. My car runs low-mid 14's & it's a 300Hp sedan.

 

[Slash]

Yeah I suppose. I know it's easily attainable by a lot of cars these days but it still feels quick in my butt haha. Although compared to myself, which grew up with nitrous'd 454 Monza's and blown GTO's, it is kinda slow.

 

[psntomaz]

Which has been supercharged how many times?

How many of these engines see 707hp FI cams? How many of those cams are paired with valve springs and rockers that last a decent time? I'm guessing the had to change the rods and pistons to deal with the supercharger. What do we know about those? Will the bearings hold up? I remember when the S85 came out for the M5 and M6 people were talking about dropping that in everything... Right up until rod bearing issues started requiring expensive maintenance.

How many times have the oil pump, water pump, cooling systems, transmission and relevant accessories had to deal with the hopped up motor?

None. Is there anything wrong with that? No. I have enough faith in Chrysler's engineers, but the engine isn't proven and there was never much of an aftermarket for this engine to serve as testing. The engine is unproven and we know almost nothing about it.

It still uses Some of the Innards of the 392 and 5.7L says Allpar

The supercharged engine uses a forged-steel crankshaft with induction-hardened bearing surfaces, which can withstand firing pressures of 110 bar (1,595 psi) – the equivalent of five family sedans standing on each piston, every two revolutions. Its unique crank damper has been tested to 13,000 rpm. Sodium-cooled exhaust valves use hollow-stem construction and steel-alloy heads that stand up to temperatures as high as 1,472° Fahrenheit (800° Celsius). Cam profiles afford 14.25-mm inlet and 14.0 mm of exhaust lift.

High-strength, forged-alloy pistons, developed using telemetry measurement, are coupled to powder-forged connecting rods with diamond-like-carbon-coated piston pins. The supercharged 6.2-liter Hemi V-8 has heat-treated aluminum-alloy cylinder heads optimized for thermal conductivity, with Hemi Orange die-cast aluminum rocker covers.

A 6.4 with a forged 5.7 crankshaft would give the right dimensions and be relatively easy to work; a shorter stroke is also going to give the ideal rod to stroke ratio and make it a high revving engine.” Cams are also reportedly similar to the 6.4 design; the block is said to be identical. (The block is the same, cast iron for strength.)