2015 Formula 1 Gran Premio De Mexico

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Jimlaad43
The stadium section is fine, except for the hairpin followed by a hairpin and a left kink. Why does it have to be the silly thing that you have to follow through.
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It's something to do with there not being enough run-off to have a single left-handed corner. But I don't see why they can't move the apex of the first corner up and turn it into a Tamburello-style chicane, or recreate the old Bus Stop on the back straight and use the full Peraltada.
 
prisonermonkeys
use the full Peraltada.
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That would be a bad thing, because...
twitcher
With the cars of today, there's basically no chance of that anywhere. Final turn at Monza is the same thing...the cars just can't get close to each other through that type of corner.

All that corner would do today is increase the distance between the cars leading onto the main straight.
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Sometimes you can only 2 out of the following 3 options: nostalgic corners, modern cars, overtaking. You can't really avoid the middle one, and people go batpoop crazy when either of the others are absent.
 
Barra333
That would be a bad thing, because...
Sometimes you can only 2 out of the following 3 options: nostalgic corners, modern cars, overtaking. You can't really avoid the middle one, and people go batpoop crazy when either of the others are absent.
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You didn't read my post, did you? I didn't say they they should use the full Peraltada. I said that they should create a chicane like the old Bus Stop at Spa along the back straight so that the Peraltada could be used. The cars wouldn't be following one another at speed, but rather accelerating onto it.
 
Hang on, they are already using half of it, and you wanted to make changes to use more, so I assumed you mean to use the full thing.
Even if they enter the full 180° turn at low speed, by the time they exit, the aero disruption will have spread them out again.

EDIT: I just re-read our posts again. Your exact words were 'use the full Peraltada'
 
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Barra333
Hang on, they are already using half of it, and you wanted to make changes to use more, so I assumed you mean to use the full thing.
Even if they enter the full 180° turn at low speed, by the time they exit, the aero disruption will have spread them out again.

EDIT: I just re-read our posts again. Your exact words were 'use the full Peraltada'
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Except that the Peraltada is banked, not as much as it used to be, but still banked so you can run an outside line to avoid the worst of the aero disruption.
 
mustafur
That would apply if no one used it, but if everyone used it as the racing line then there shouldn't be an issue.
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Absolutely, but then the aero-disruption would continue to be an issue. The outside line was suggested as a way to avoid it.
 
Feels too Sochi-esque to me, and we all know how exciting that race was.

Shame about the final corner being butchered, but safety is priority.

Hopefully some rain, as is forecasted, mixes up the order. If only Mercedes would just take a vacation for the rest of the year so someone else could win this one.
 
Peter.
Feels too Sochi-esque to me, and we all know how exciting that race was.

Shame about the final corner being butchered, but safety is priority.

Hopefully some rain, as is forecasted, mixes up the order. If only Mercedes would just take a vacation for the rest of the year so someone else could win this one.
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That'd be great. Would love it if Mercedes decided to skip the final races, things would actually be exciting. Maybe if we bribe them...
 
How feasible is it to put a NASCAR style SAFER barrier and catch fencing around the outside of Peraltada? That would help mitigate the lack of runoff and still allow us to keep the turn.

I'm also kinda miffed that they ruined the flow of the esses, but I guess with today's downforce levels it would help encourage passing.

Also I've read on the F1 website that due to the circuit being located at high altitudes the effect of aero will be less, while the turbos still retain all their power. Expect the cars to be harder to drive and drivers making more mistakes than usual :mischievous:
 
LumpiestFish
The esses are now crap
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The old esses would have relied too heavily on high downforce. The cars produce way more downforce now than they did twenty years ago, so they would have just run through the old esses like they were on rails and never would have gotten close to one another. The new esses are designed to be less reliant on aerodynamic grip.
 
LeGeNd-1
How feasible is it to put a NASCAR style SAFER barrier and catch fencing around the outside of Peraltada? That would help mitigate the lack of runoff and still allow us to keep the turn.
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We've seen the TecPro barriers being very effective, it's not an issue with the barriers.

When it was last used it was neutered with a preceding chicane - the risk of an accident there is high otherwise. If there is a big crash access is limited as the track has a public road on the other side. You're also unlikely to find a solution that prevents debris going onto that road in a full-Peraltada-speed crash. If it wasn't for the lack of run-off/access I think they would have kept the corner.

You also have cars deliberately slowing in the corner to access the pits, we've seen other tracks where poorly thought out pit entrances have caused problems at much slower speeds. Would you want that on full-Peraltada?
 
Flying to Mexico City tomorrow, going to sit in Foro Sol Norte. This view is from very close to our seats;

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That's the podium on the left down there, it's facing the stadium!

Got my Checo hat and poncho ready, bring on the rain! (I may regret saying that).
 
LeGeNd-1
How feasible is it to put a NASCAR style SAFER barrier and catch fencing around the outside of Peraltada? That would help mitigate the lack of runoff and still allow us to keep the turn.
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The problem isn't stopping any cars that crash to the outside of the corner, it's that they would naturally spear back down across the track and with the stadium on the inside drivers would be blind going into it.

Imagine the Grosjean crash in Russia if the TecPro barriers were directly at the edge of the track, his car would have gone straight back into the live track. Visibility was better there, but still not ideal, hence the run off he did go into that did it's job.
 
Hamilton has said in an interview with Sky Sports that due to the high altitude in Mexico they'll be running Monaco-like downforce levels but it will feel more like Monza, it will be interesting to see how the altitude effects the cars.
 
Peasantslayer
Hamilton has said in an interview with Sky Sports that due to the high altitude in Mexico they'll be running Monaco-like downforce levels but it will feel more like Monza, it will be interesting to see how the altitude effects the cars.
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Do you think that the altitude will hurt or help RedBull?
 
twitcher
Do you think that the altitude will hurt or help RedBull?
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I have no idea, perhaps they have more downforce to put on the car but this track has some big straights where you'd naturally expect the Ferrari and Mercedes powered cars to gain a lot of time over them. In Austin, Ricciardo was often being dropped by a few hundredths by the Mercedes cars on the back straight, even though he was the one in the tow with DRS.
 

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