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I agree with ya. The nice thing is that if Lewis does somehow win the world driver's championship, we're all in for a hell of a month or two of racing...Sure would make a good story.
 
Hook me in on that lol. I might be headed out there for Friday practices, still needing to work out some things getting from airport-track-hotel-airport.

My roommate found a cheap lot not far from the track and she reserved us a spot. If you need a ride just message me.
 
While I find COTA to be a complete snooze of a track...Tough to get excited about COTA regardless. I know we'll never see Formula 1 at the best US tracks because they're not set-up for huge crowds/endorsements/business deals and swanky rooftop parties - and that's a shame. There are a dozen tracks which could provide a phenomenal F1 race, and COTA is not one of them.

I'm not really sure where all the disdain for COTA comes from. I've never been there but I always thought it's wide range of corners and elevation changes were an interesting and eclectic mix. Perhaps because it was designed to have those corners and they were't all naturally built into the existing countryside but partially engineered that people see it as kind of phony? And indeed some of their angles were even modeled on, we can even say pilfered from other famous tracks? Suzuka, built in the 1960s, was designed to offer a wide range of different corners and I think once shared a similar reputation. But many now regard it as one of the best tracks in the world. Maybe in a another 30 years we'll all look on COTA as something special. I think it already is, but that's just me.

That said, I can't think of a 'dozen' other tracks in the US that are (realistically) capable of hosting an F1 race. 5-6 come to mind and after that I'm drawing a blank...

Watkins Glen would be cool, but I doubt the racing would be good, and the track would have to be vastly changed runoff wise because it really isn't appropriate for F1 speeds. Road America would also need a large upgrade. Laguna Sega would be rubbish for an F1 race, as would places like VIR and Road Atlanta. In all honesty I think the best established race circuits in the USA to go would be either Long Beach or Sebring.

I was just talking today with my brother about US tracks to use. FIA has a system for classifying tracks and they fall into different levels. COTA was built with F1 in mind so it's the level required. The others need lots of changes that cost too much money to gain back or they don't want to risk it.

Road America, Watkins Glen, VIR, Road Atlanta, etc. they just need proper updated safety features.

Just to clarify both of these points, out of Road America, Watkins Glen, VIR, Laguna Seca & Sebring, only:
A) Watkins Glen
B) Road Atlanta
C) Sebring
Are FIA certified tracks. All three are tier 2. That does not necessarily mean that changes would need to be made to run-off areas, just that they are not currently certified for F1 use. It could be something as simple as an unsuitable track surface (in the case of Sebring) or lack of garages (in the case of Watkins Glen) or adequate infrastructure facilities (such as Road Atlanta). VIR is not even on the list but that's not necessarily because it doesn't meat the requirements (trust me, it wouldn't) but I believe tracks interested in FIA certification, necessary to host a number of international series, haven't invited the FIA to certify them.

I can tell you that Charlie Whiting himself personally visited Watkins Glen last year after the repaving and his comments were rather eye opening. So much so that he was forced to clarify them and confirm that as far as he knew, Watkins Glen was NOT in line to host an F1 Grand Prix.

http://www.espn.com/f1/story/_/id/14933298/charlie-whiting-watkins-glen-wonderful-circuit-f1

But a snippit...
Charlie Whiting
FIA race director Charlie Whiting says the revamped Watkins Glen would be "an absolutely wonderful circuit" for a future Formula One race.

"I think the track looks marvellous," Whiting said. "I am really, really impressed with the work that has been done. It has been done to a very, very high standard."

So there you go. If it had a row of high quality pit garages, Watkins Glen could host an (F1 - Edit) race tomorrow. As far as I know, it's current configuration meets all FIA safety guidelines. But the track has been flirting with bankruptcy for years and it's only NASCAR money that keeps it afloat. I really doubt they're going to be building pit garages anytime soon. They probably wouldn't even have enough money to maintain them if somebody came along and built them free of charge.

As others have pointed out, one of the biggest issues with Watkins Glen, AND Road America and VIR is their geographical location. They're all pretty much in the middle of nowhere. At least as far as the FOM was concerned. Maybe now under new management that mindset will change. Road Atlanta is far enough away from metro Atlanta that it's name is suspect. And it's a great track, but have any of you ever been there? Sitting on a mound of red Georgia clay is not likely the kind of image F1 wants.
 
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As others have pointed out, one of the biggest issues with Watkins Glen, AND Road America and VIR is their geographical location. They're all pretty much in the middle of nowhere. At least as far as the FOM was concerned. Maybe now under new management that mindset will change. Road Atlanta is far enough away from metro Atlanta that it's name is suspect. And it's a great track, but have any of you ever been there? Sitting on a mound of red Georgia clay is not likely the kind of image F1 wants.
Which is really the main reason they won't go there. Magny-Cours was killed off by being in the middle of nowhere (relatively), despite it being on a main motorway and quite near Nevers.
 
Which is really the main reason they won't go there. Magny-Cours was killed off by being in the middle of nowhere (relatively), despite it being on a main motorway and quite near Nevers.

I agree. Both that AND the outrageous sanctioning fees that none of those track and their surrounding communities or local governments can afford to pay. COTA and it's F1 hosting contract only exists because of tax incentives from the state of TX that help offset the cost. They may be disappearing soon. And the race along with it.

But my point was mainly that from a safety perspective, the course itself (at WGI) now meets FIA guidelines.
 
Yep, a lot of the best tracks are in the middle of nowhere without a large city to support the F1 machine (or to entice the glitz and glam/host parties, social events, conferences, concerts etc.). I think it would be incredible to see F1 at Road America or Watkins Glen, but I don't think we'll ever see that. At the very most we could see an ad-hoc street circuit somewhere perhaps.
 
I'm not really sure where all the disdain for COTA comes from. I've never been there but I always thought it's wide range of corners and elevation changes were an interesting and eclectic mix. Perhaps because it was designed to have those corners and they were't all naturally built into the existing countryside but partially engineered that people see it as kind of phony? And indeed some of their angles were even modeled on, we can even say pilfered from other famous tracks? Suzuka, built in the 1960s, was designed to offer a wide range of different corners and I think once shared a similar reputation. But many now regard it as one of the best tracks in the world. Maybe in a another 30 years we'll all look on COTA as something special. I think it already is, but that's just me.

I think COTA is ok, but for me it has too much runoff everywhere that keeps it from being one of my favorite tracks. The first sector is really cool, but it's basically a parking lot with lines drawn to show where the track is.

Thanks for the reminder about Charlie Whiting's recent visit to Watkins Glen. I'm surprised safety wise they could race there without any modifications because when I was there for the IndyCar race all of the track seemed fine except for at the toe of the boot, where there seemed to be very little runoff. Newgarden crashed right in front of me there though and was fine so I guess it's enough.
 
Got to hope these old American tracks don't go the way of Historic Riverside International Raceway in California (Just a peaceful 3 hour traffic jam away from Down Town Los Angeles).... it now has a "parking lot" feel to it now. Also a bit of a Housing development feel to it...
 
Daytona is FIA certified level 2. Just put a backup flagstand on the backstretch or the in the Talladega position and resurface the entrance and exit to the road course.
 
I think it would be incredible to see F1 at Road America or Watkins Glen, but I don't think we'll ever see that. At the very most we could see an ad-hoc street circuit somewhere perhaps.
I'm afraid the best we can hope for is waiting until the current F1 cars qualify as 'historic' race cars. And then we can see them on a wide variety of tracks we only wish we could have watched them actually race at speed. But who am I kidding. Will anybody ever really feel nostalgic for the current cars. But I'd love to hear the V10s again. It's already been so long.

I think COTA is ok, but for me it has too much runoff everywhere that keeps it from being one of my favorite tracks. The first sector is really cool, but it's basically a parking lot with lines drawn to show where the track is.

Thanks for the reminder about Charlie Whiting's recent visit to Watkins Glen. I'm surprised safety wise they could race there without any modifications because when I was there for the IndyCar race all of the track seemed fine except for at the toe of the boot, where there seemed to be very little runoff. Newgarden crashed right in front of me there though and was fine so I guess it's enough.
That's a fair point. And cars with lots of downforce, such as a modern F1 car, can carry a lot more speed into the toe than GT3 cars. But there's a bit of hypocritical thinking on the FIA's part if they can certify street circuits with little to no run off but would have an issue with 'only' 10 meters of gravel at the toe. (But remember, it's uphill at that point too).

Ryk
Got to hope these old American tracks don't go the way of Historic Riverside International Raceway in California (Just a peaceful 3 hour traffic jam away from Down Town Los Angeles).... it now has a "parking lot" feel to it now. Also a bit of a Housing development feel to it...
More like a shopping mall feel. It's where the Moreno Valley mall was built. I remember trying to find remnants of it when I was working in LA in the mid 90s. And then found out that my wife used to work at the Olive Garden there when it first opened. Olive oil now over what was once the oily paddock. :lol:

Daytona is FIA certified level 2. Just put a backup flagstand on the backstretch or the in the Talladega position and resurface the entrance and exit to the road course.
Yeah but in general terms, and respect to Daytona, road courses inside ovals are never really that exciting.
 
Ryk
Got to hope these old American tracks don't go the way of Historic Riverside International Raceway in California (Just a peaceful 3 hour traffic jam away from Down Town Los Angeles).... it now has a "parking lot" feel to it now. Also a bit of a Housing development feel to it...

Currently, Circuit of the Americas is rather distant from residential neighborhoods, near the 34th-busiest airport in the US, and alongside the only 85-mph tollway in the nation, I think it's going to be safe from future development for many years. It wouldn't be impossible, especially if the Austin area develops at current rates for a long time. That would depend on local and state laws, and I think that's were the circuit-owners are probably not permitted to run motorsport events every weekend to mitigate noise and travel concerns.

Since Austinites do tend to be a bit more left-leaning in the politics compared to most of Texas, they are quite vocal about increased development. Nearby Interstate 35 was designed for capacity levels of the 1970s, to compare. But it isn't Riverside either; where usable land in the Inland Empire is a bit more scarce, Central Texas doesn't really have the same scarcity. Travel east the circuit, and there's almost nothing along the way towards Bastrop. And yes, there have been times were the locals have banded together to get racetracks and airports closed; but I meet those concerns with skepticism, since sometimes those places just happened to be in prime real estate locations which were then sold to the highest bidder (and/or political contributor). In the case of the old airstrips, they were not always able to deal with the increases in capacity of the jet age, and changes in safety over the decades to come.

Riverside is the Poster Child for circuit closures, being an interesting, challenging, and dangerous track with a good deal of history; one that's still lamented 28 years after it's demise. But step back and see that it was also the first example of any F1-grade circuit* which was completely wiped off the map. (Nivelles-Baulers might have been first...hard to tell, since it was in the process of a slow degrading process into an office park.) Most close because it's a tough business, so using land and existing infrastructure keeps it going. So if the venue was built up in a few years without a tremendous amount of opposition, it would probably only shutter due to a lack of interest.

* pre-war relics like Brookslands and Sitges, notwithstanding. Or...technically, still standing.
 
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Daytona is FIA certified level 2. Just put a backup flagstand on the backstretch or the in the Talladega position and resurface the entrance and exit to the road course.
F1 won't go near banking of that severity unless the formula drastically changes in the future.
 
Best bet is Watkins Glen since it was just repaved. They just need the money to re-do the pit area. IndyCar was just there and the racing was great, even with the close guardrails and what not. I think with modern F1 safety tech there won't be many issues.
 
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Lewis going the way of the Kvyat?
 
Road America would need quite a bit more than just safety features considering there really isn't any form of pit facility and their seating consists of a few small bleachers throughout the track. Plus I'm not sure the infrastructure around the track could handle it (I'm baffled how they managed to make the local roads work during the early 90's).
Ive always felt that sonoma gp course would meet f1 safety standards. Laguna seca had just that one incident where the young CART driver had that horrible accident, must have been 17 years ago. Honesfly tho monaco & Azerbaijan got to be more risky than even road america would. But of course road america is like a back country wisconsin dells,attraction not f1 nazi specific infrastructure and such.:sly:
 
Honesfly tho monaco & Azerbaijan got to be more risky than even road america would.

It's the speed of departure that's usually the problem. Monaco is relatively very safe because it's such a "slow" track. With tec-pro et al it poses a very manageable risk, as does Azerbaijan.

But of course road america is like a back country wisconsin dells,

Isolation is never an excluding factor, there are other tracks on the calendar that are almost literally in the middle of nowhere.

not f1 nazi specific infrastructure and such.:sly:

Nazi-specific? Hmm.
 
It's the speed of departure that's usually the problem. Monaco is relatively very safe because it's such a "slow" track. With tec-pro et al it poses a very manageable risk, as does Azerbaijan.
Monaco has always been an exception really. If it didn't have the history and reputation it does there is no way it would exist. If it had never been on the calendar, and they proposed the race and circuit, it wouldn't get looked at. Monaco, Le Mans and the Nordschleife are (quite rightfully) the exceptions when it comes to rules. WEC only races on Grade 1 circuits plus Le Mans.

If you wanna know why Road America is too unsafe for F1? Just ask Katherine Legge.
 
If Max should win he gets milk in a champagne bottle....hahaha
The perks of winning the US GP in a state where the drinking age is 21 and you're 19. :p
 
I thought the issue with Watkins was that there is no space to build run off after the esses.

Drivers are pressuring FIA to go after moving in the braking zone:

 
If Max should win he gets milk in a champagne bottle....hahaha

No, he isn't under the drinking age for the state as he's in the company of "responsible adults" and he's not being directly charged for it. It's not like he's trying to buy it from a bar.

The perks of winning the US GP in a state where the drinking age is 21 and you're 19. :p

Same.

We went through all this last year, no? :D
 
I didn't see what tires they were on but the two Mercs were 4-5 in FP3. The NBC stream had no commentary.
 
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