2016 Gulf Air Bahrain Grand Prix

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[Nor]MclarenF1
This is a man that has said on camera that democracy is rubbish and thinks dictatorships are the way to go.
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Formula One shouldn't be a democracy. It currently is a democracy, and it's completely dysfunctional.
 
^ this. The teams shouldn't be given a day in anything that goes on. This is a sport and we can't have decision made whether they suit Ferraris needs or not. It needs to be lead by an independent who is one of us. Someone who wants racing to return to Formula 1.

I hope we get some influential people who care about the sport more than the money to take it in the right direction.
 
FutureF1
The teams shouldn't be given a day in anything that goes on.
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Like I have said before, when Chelsea play Arsenal and there's a penalty in the box, the Chelsea and Arsenal managers aren't consulted on whether a penalty should be taken, who should take it, and where it should be taken from - so why does it happen in Formula One?

By all means, consult the teams. Get their input. Value their opinions. Incorporate their ideas into the rules ... but as soon as you give them regulatory power, you give them the power to influence the regulations in their favour.
 
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Actually meet Stoffel the turtle, a figure from the 'fabeltjeskrant'. Which is a popular children's serie in Belgium and Holland. It's old also ran till '89 so it did exist at the time of Vandoorne's birth :D
 
prisonermonkeys
Like I have said before, when Chelsea play Arsenal and there's a penalty in the box, the Chelsea and Arsenal managers aren't consulted on whether a penalty should be taken, who should take it, and where it should be taken from - so why does it happen in Formula One?

By all means, consult the teams. Get their input. Value their opinions. Incorporate their ideas into the rules ... but as soon as you give them regulatory power, you give them the power to influence the regulations in their favour.
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Arsenal never get penalties.

Agree with the rest though.
 
The strategy group definitely needs to go. As it stands, on each F1 issue the FIA has 6 votes, Bernie/FOM/CVC has 6 and 6 teams (Ferrari, Merc, Red Bull, McLaren, Williams, Force India) have the other 6 votes. Most things need unanimous agreement and that is of course where the issues come in, because the 6 individual teams rarely agree, they are only in it for themselves.

The teams need removing from the actual voting on processes. As @prisonermonkeys says they should definitely be listened to, but only as a guide. They should not have casting votes because no matter what they claim, they're always going to be looking at their own interest. We're already seeing it again with the 2017 rules, McLaren proposed a lot of the aero regulations and guess what, the other teams are unhappy because they believe it may give them an advantage, and rightly so. Crazy to think one team have a direct hand in shaping the rules for every car.
 
prisonermonkeys
Formula One shouldn't be a democracy. It currently is a democracy, and it's completely dysfunctional.
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How is it a democracy when the teams unanimously agreed to revert to the old qualifying format but when it went to the FIA that option wasn't available?
 
spacecowboy73
How is it a democracy when the teams unanimously agreed to revert to the old qualifying format but when it went to the FIA that option wasn't available?
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Because they still had a vote, but either way giving teams the ability to vote is the reason why basically every proposal in the last few years has been dropped, no one wants to give up their competitive advantage while others want a chance to get it
 
mustafur
Because they still had a vote, but either way giving teams the ability to vote is the reason why basically every proposal in the last few years has been dropped, no one wants to give up their competitive advantage while others want a chance to get it
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I agree that the teams will always vote in their best interest, a good example of why this is not a good system is what happened to Champ Car, but F1 is not a democracy and never has been. Ferrari has far more sway then Manor for example.
 
spacecowboy73
I agree that the teams will always vote in their best interest, a good example of why this is not a good system is what happened to Champ Car, but F1 is not a democracy and never has been. Ferrari has far more sway then Manor for example.
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And that shouldn't t be the case. Ferrari and Manor should have equal deciding power which is to say none. Ferrari has vetoed quite a few ideas and they're abusing their power as a major team. Someone needs to realize that Ferrari needs F1 more than F1 needs Ferrari.
 
I don't know if there is a better word for it but the current system is a sort of halfway between dictatorship and democracy.

The current system has 6 votes from the FIA, 6 votes from the commercial rights holders (Bernie on behalf of CVC) and a vote each for 6 teams which are currently Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren, Williams, Red Bull and Force India. The first five are currently fixed, the sixth is based on the highest finisher in the championship of the other teams, hence why it's currently FI.

So that is the democratic part of it but of course indeed that means the other teams don't have a vote. Then there is the fact that it's the FIA who have the ultimate power of what proposals are put up for voting in the first place, and Ferrari with their powerful Veto.
 
Samus
I don't know if there is a better word for it but the current system is a sort of halfway between dictatorship and democracy.

The current system has 6 votes from the FIA, 6 votes from the commercial rights holders (Bernie on behalf of CVC) and a vote each for 6 teams which are currently Ferrari, Mercedes, McLaren, Williams, Red Bull and Force India. The first five are currently fixed, the sixth is based on the highest finisher in the championship of the other teams, hence why it's currently FI.

So that is the democratic part of it but of course indeed that means the other teams don't have a vote. Then there is the fact that it's the FIA who have the ultimate power of what proposals are put up for voting in the first place, and Ferrari with their powerful Veto.
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Oligarchy, just like we have in the States.
 
Hopefully this race will be worth staying up well into the late night/early morning for.
 
Great little soft core porn session between Johnny and Lewis.

Definitely an impartial broadcaster :rolleyes:
 
Steve Jones is such a character on C4's F1 coverage :lol: it's like he's presenting on MTV... and endless flirting with Susie Wolff!
 
Suzie "Hungry like the" Wolff is quite chipper though with that mysterious accent
 
Ryk
Suzie "Hungry like the" Wolff is quite chipper though with that mysterious accent
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It's so funny, it switches between German and Scottish all the time :lol: and she keeps looking at Steve like he's a total plonker!
 
Bernie backs a surprise winner for Bahrain - "Lewis Hamilton"
 
Bottas feeling like having a Red Bull today. Cheers Valtteri! :lol:
 
I thought the band had forgotten thier own national athem for a minute there! :lol:
 
Ryk
Bernie backs a surprise winner for Bahrain - "Lewis Hamilton"
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Still full of wit ain't he. That was a subtle "I think it'll be the same old result and that's why we're trying to sort the quali that you lot keep moaning about".
 
vettel out... whoops
 
DAMMIT.
 
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