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United6694
What issues did Ham have? I didn't see qualifying.
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Scruffy laps, mostly. Took too much kerb at Turn 2 on his first flying lap, then straddled the kerb coming out of Turn 7 on his second run. He was also apparently carrying a mechanical issue from FP3, but the team never elaborated on what it was.
 
Despite Paddy Lowe saying they have the tyre advantage for the race they clearly don't, super softs are the best race tyre and they only have 1 used set each, where as Redbull have 2 new sets of the Super softs.

Mercedes are going to need to use the softs in the race where as Redbull don't need to.
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mustafur
Yes, Ricciardo.
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Yes, as soon I typed this I thought Ricciardo might have a say in this, too. :lol:
But then again, I don't see Verstappen giving in easily, it would be a tough fight regardless.

dopedog
Lol, Torro Rosso a top team?? When?
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Obviously not what I meant. Also Torro Rosso is Red Bull's "side team" as they can't have 4 cars in one team, isn't it?

Dhalism
Well Fangio is an obvious one, but depending on your criteria there are others who havent really been in a bad car, i.e. Prost, Schumacher, Clark. I think the biggest downfall of that perception is that Lewis almost always had a challenging teammate. If he had Heikki on his team every year we'd be saying that he is pushing bad cars to victories like we do with Alonso.
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Exactly, especially Schumacher was who I thought of, too. The Benetton might not have been the strongest car, but it sure was competitive and not being in the strongest car made Schumacher's first championship all the more impressive.
 
There's no taking that qualifying from Nico. Whatever issues Lewis was having, both of his laps were scruffy. Nico was simply on fire, and having two laps within hundredths of each other demonstrates how dialled in he was.
 
Lewis missed over 30 mins in practice 2, the team says he wasn't able to get a setup optimized because it was a hydraulic issue. Probably another walk by Nico with his main competitor again hitting reliability problems. I hope for some safety car to close up the race.
 
trustjab
Exactly, especially Schumacher was who I thought of, too. The Benetton might not have been the strongest car, but it sure was competitive and not being in the strongest car made Schumacher's first championship all the more impressive.
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Oh dear.... remember the Jordan at Spa? If you don't have knowledge then wiki is there for all. Schumacher may have spent the remainder of his career in either allegedly illegal cars or teams revolving round him and special tyres etc but he at least started in a mid field car and did well. Lewis has spent his whole career in the best cars from the very start... this is my point.
I didn't know it would effect the Lewis fans so much to warrant 2 pages on it though...
 
dopedog
Oh dear.... remember the Jordan at Spa? If you don't have knowledge then wiki is there for all. Schumacher may have spent the remainder of his career in either allegedly illegal cars or teams revolving round him and special tyres etc but he at least started in a mid field car and did well. Lewis has spent his whole career in the best cars from the very start... this is my point.
I didn't know it would effect the Lewis fans so much to warrant 2 pages on it though...
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What are you on about. 91 Jordan was a reasonable car. Heikki did worse in 09 than De Cesaris did in 91 in the Jordan.
 
Dhalism
What are you on about. 91 Jordan was a reasonable car. Heikki did worse in 09 than De Cesaris did in 91 in the Jordan.
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Huh? Do you even know what year Lewis started in F1?
That Jordan was no 2007 McLaren that's for sure....neither was it close to being a Toleman.... why does it bother you so much anyway?
 
dopedog
Huh? Do you even know what year Lewis started in F1?
That Jordan was no 2007 McLaren that's for sure....neither was it close to being a Toleman.... why does it bother you so much anyway?
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Why does 2007 matter if ure talking about Lewis' whole career? And why do you care about repeating your nonsense so much anyway? It's a discussion, if you don't want what you say being discussed, don't say it.
 
Dhalism
What are you on about. 91 Jordan was a reasonable car
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I think he might be mixing teams up. Schumacher drove the Jordan 191 in Belgium, and then moved to Benetton where he drove the B191. During his time at Bennetton, he drove the B194, which was controversial because there were accusations that Benetton were using illegal launch control software, mostly because the car was underpowered relative to the competition but was nevertheless very quick.
 
Dhalism
Why does 2007 matter if ure talking about Lewis' whole career? And why do you care about repeating your nonsense so much anyway? It's a discussion, if you don't want what you say being discussed, don't say it.
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Well considering this whole thing was about how legend drivers got F1 breaks like Senna in the Toleman it's about the first cars they drove in F1 and how they performed in them.... its the whole point.
Its not about cars they are in now or ended up in its the first drives they got.
Like i said even Seb had the Torro Rosso win Monza in the wet, Lewis in 2007 got the best car on the grid. That's it, no big deal just in his fairy tale of being the next Senna this is a missing page.....
Sure he's not bothered by it in the slightest.
And i do want stuff being disgust but i'd hope by people with some knowledge or use of Wiki at least.
 
dopedog
Well considering this whole thing was about how legend drivers got F1 breaks like Senna in the Toleman it's about the first cars they drove in F1 and how they performed in them.... its the whole point.
Its not about cars they are in now or ended up in its the first drives they got.
Like i said even Seb had the Torro Rosso win Monza in the wet, Lewis in 2007 got the best car on the grid. That's it, no big deal just in his fairy tale of being the next Senna this is a missing page.....
Sure he's not bothered by it in the slightest.
And i do want stuff being disgust but i'd hope by people with some knowledge or use of Wiki at least.
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Except in all your previous posts you discuss the entirety of his career. Sure Lewis had the best car in 07 but what is even the point of that statement?

And i do want stuff being disgust but i'd hope by people with some knowledge or use of Wiki at least.
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You really need to chill out, this isn't a discussion this is you just trying to pick a fight with your every post.
 
dopedog
Well considering this whole thing was about how legend drivers got F1 breaks like Senna in the Toleman it's about the first cars they drove in F1 and how they performed in them.... its the whole point.
Its not about cars they are in now or ended up in its the first drives they got.
Like i said even Seb had the Torro Rosso win Monza in the wet, Lewis in 2007 got the best car on the grid. That's it, no big deal just in his fairy tale of being the next Senna this is a missing page.....
Sure he's not bothered by it in the slightest.
And i do want stuff being disgust but i'd hope by people with some knowledge or use of Wiki at least.
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Well maybe you should ask Lewis why he isn't satisfying your incredibly niche criteria and give him ideas on how to fix it.
 
Dhalism
Except in all your previous posts you discuss the entirety of his career. Sure Lewis had the best car in 07 but what is even the point of that statement?


You really need to chill out, this isn't a discussion this is you just trying to pick a fight with your every post.
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No go back and I entered this thread with a very clear post, after that people started going on about 2009 cars etc. He began in F1 in 2007.... in the best car that got him 2nd but really he should of won the WDC...
Schumacher
Senna
Vettel
Alonso
All began F1 in smaller teams and lesser cars but over achieved. It was me mentioning on here a conversation i had with a mate about F1 drivers as it was Schumachers anniversary of the Spa debut in the Jordan.
For me its the reason i'm not a fan of Lewis as he's just very entitled and i comes across like that when it doesn't go his way.
 
Yet at the same time he beat Alonso in the same car as a rookie so whats your point.
 
mustafur
Yet at the same time he beat Alonso in the same car as a rookie so whats your point.
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It's pretty clear what my point is, a page is missing in the "I'm Senna" fairy tale. Not sure why some of Lewis's fans are so up in arms about stating facts on a persons F1 career. At least i've not been called a 'racist' or a 'troll' yet....
 
dopedog
No go back and I entered this thread with a very clear post, after that people started going on about 2009 cars etc. He began in F1 in 2007.... in the best car that got him 2nd but really he should of won the WDC...
Schumacher
Senna
Vettel
Alonso
All began F1 in smaller teams and lesser cars but over achieved. It was me mentioning on here a conversation i had with a mate about F1 drivers as it was Schumachers anniversary of the Spa debut in the Jordan.
For me its the reason i'm not a fan of Lewis as he's just very entitled and i comes across like that when it doesn't go his way.
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dopedog
I was talking to to a friend the other day about F1 and he was talking about Schumacher's first race in the Jordan as a substitute. Anyway we were talking about about that and then went onto Senna in the Toleman etc etc.
We then realised something we'd never really thought about which is Lewis unlike a lot of the legends has never been in a bad race car, or at least an also ran race car midfield job.
He literally came into the one of the best teams and has moved to the best team, for sure now no doubt he is in THE best team, by a long long way.
Not sure what we concluded other than he likes to compare himself to Senna but this is one part of the fairly tale that doesn't fit, Lewis has no Toleman at Monaco moment.
Even Seb had Torro Rosso win at Monza, very few if any of the legends started in the best cars on the grid.
Anyone have any ideas of any others like Lewis?
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dopedog
Oh dear.... remember the Jordan at Spa? If you don't have knowledge then wiki is there for all. Schumacher may have spent the remainder of his career in either allegedly illegal cars or teams revolving round him and special tyres etc but he at least started in a mid field car and did well. Lewis has spent his whole career in the best cars from the very start... this is my point.I didn't know it would effect the Lewis fans so much to warrant 2 pages on it though...
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YAH. Sure you did.

dopedog
It's pretty clear what my point is, a page is missing in the "I'm Senna" fairy tale. Not sure why some of Lewis's fans are so up in arms about stating facts on a persons F1 career. At least i've not been called a 'racist' or a 'troll' yet....
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Pretty sure your point is that you dislike LH and you pick super narrow criteria to discredit him.
A narrow criteria, might I add, that would also disqualify Fangio from being a great.
 
Lewis has never been in a bad race car, whether i like or dislike him can't change that Fact. He's never been in a Minardi or Toleman type race car. These are facts. The current McLaren ironically now that Alonso and Button drive is a bad car though..
 
dopedog
Lewis has never been in a bad race car, whether i like or dislike him can't change that Fact. He's never been in a Minardi or Toleman type race car. These are facts. The current McLaren ironically now that Alonso and Button drive is a bad car though..
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Yea and i mentioned other drivers who never been in a bad car i.e. Fangio, Schumacher, Prost, Clark.

You're still struggling to come up with a point that doesnt sound like "I don't like LH"
 
Alonso beat M Schumacher then Hamilton almost beat Alonso in his first rookie year, and Rosberg did also beat Schumacher but now Hamilton dominate Rosberg for years.. If that's not overachievhing then I don't know..
 
I think a lot of it comes down to how we define "a bad race car"...
 
prisonermonkeys
I think he might be mixing teams up. Schumacher drove the Jordan 191 in Belgium, and then moved to Benetton where he drove the B191. During his time at Bennetton, he drove the B194, which was controversial because there were accusations that Benetton were using illegal launch control software, mostly because the car was underpowered relative to the competition but was nevertheless very quick.
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Oh, right, I didn't even think of Jordan, I also apperantly said Benetton, but thanks for correcting me, like I said, I didn't think of Jordan.
Might be some history bending, but for me Schumacher started at Benetton and that was a very good car. And yes, I remember the stuff about the cheating with launch control. That was something else...

Dhalism
You really need to chill out, this isn't a discussion this is you just trying to pick a fight with your every post.
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That sure is what it feels like. That poster even seems to think I'm a "Hamilton fan" which is ridiculous, lol. I think he's a great driver. That's about it though.
At the moment the only guys I really like are Raikonnen, Alonso and Ricciardo. And Vettel maybe, he's really down to earth and a good driver, too, obviously.
Oh and Rosberg, might be the nicest guy on the grid, but he's "too nice" to be a really great driver I think, as I mentioned before.


PS: I also sorta, kinda "almost" like Verstappen, but he needs to tone down his dangerous driving before someone gets hurt. :scared:
Button is also awesome... I even like "Massa baby", but those guy's careers as F1 race drivers are obviously over, sadly.

So I almost basically like everyone, I even like the underdogs and for the record: the Haas is my favorite car, looks just awesome, I might be biased because I really loved Newman Haas Racing on PS1 back in the day, what a game. :)
 
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Looking at the post FP2 interviews with Lewis and Nico it's clear who's the more relaxed and balanced of the two this weekend.

 
Guys none of this has anything to do with this GP, take it to another thread.
 
I really don't get the whole comparison between drivers in Formula 1. Schumacher had his first F1 race in '91, Hamilton in '07, 8 years later. How can you compare those two? In those 8 years so much changed in F1. Today the most important thing in F1 is the car. I don't think it would even make sense to compare todays drivers with each other.

On a side note, I think the whole records thing is pointless, too. For example: today it's much easier to score more victories in a single season than it was 5 years ago, because there are more races. It's easier to collect more points in a single season than it was 20 years ago. '96 you got 10 points for winning, today you get 25 points (more than twice as much) + you have more races in a single season.


B2T: is it true that Arrivabene got arrested?
 
Vinylshark
I really don't get the whole comparison between drivers in Formula 1. Schumacher had his first F1 race in '91, Hamilton in '07, 8 years later. How can you compare those two? In those 8 years so much changed in F1. Today the most important thing in F1 is the car. I don't think it would even make sense to compare todays drivers with each other.

On a side note, I think the whole records thing is pointless, too. For example: today it's much easier to score more victories in a single season than it was 5 years ago, because there are more races. It's easier to collect more points in a single season than it was 20 years ago. '96 you got 10 points for winning, today you get 25 points (more than twice as much) + you have more races in a single season.


B2T: is it true that Arrivabene got arrested?
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Flash news: Cars have always been important in f1. Senna never won a championship on a bad car, neither have Schumacher, Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton.

As for this GP Rosberg seems very strong. But Ricciardo is gonna pressure him and try to pass him immediately. Remember as well that Lewis usually starts well when he's not on pole. We ain't gonna get a lot of overtaking but it should be an interesting GP anyway.
 
Vettel on 6th PU. Smart call by Ferrari
 
Hopefully that lightning can keep on coming towards the track and dump some rain. That'll make things very interesting.
 
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