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There's no way the teams would agree to multiple international races as it would cost them too much money.
 
GTPorsche
There's no way the teams would agree to multiple international races as it would cost them too much money.
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No it wouldn't. They would make Indy 500 style money with just two flyout events. That's why Brazil and Japan were so popular. They used to have decent economies so the money was good. They would adore international races.
 
GTPorsche
The money needs to be there before teams will agree to go overseas for any race.
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And money was there. That's why they aren't there now. It dried up.
 
The money not being there is exactly why they shouldn't be going off continent, and with them shortening the schedule, it pretty much locks out any international events within the series.
 
TDZdave
I know its entirely a dream, but Mount Panorama anyone???

Serious note, if its going international its going where its wanted, ie, who has the biggest wallet, hopefully we could see them at Dubai, I do hope they stay away from Silverstone and all other current F1 venues, whilst the money might be there it might not be a good move for the sport,
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Why would Indycar going to F1 venues be bad for the sport? It's not bad to be compared to F1 (the racing would probably be better at the Indycar race anyway ;) :p). I would love to see an Indycar roar up Eal Rouge at Spa or sweeping through maggotts and beketts at Silverstone. This would be really good for Indycar since it would give the European drivers a home race and european Indycar fans a chance to attend an event. There is no rule prohibiting Indycar from going to F1 venues (Bernie can't do anything to prohibit Indycar from going to these venues), its just most likely Indycar being paranoid (not wanting to be compared to F1) and wanting to be mainly like the IRL (all north-american). There doesn't have to be several international races, but 2 to 3 would be good for the sport as it would grow it internationally (perhaps better TV deals) and possibly attract more teams, engine manufacturers, and drivers. A big difference would be seen in the long run if they did this. Though my opinion will probably be quickly shot down...
 
GTPorsche
The money not being there is exactly why they shouldn't be going off continent, and with them shortening the schedule, it pretty much locks out any international events within the series.
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You're not understanding me. They go to the international races because money is there. Things were set in Brazil until the new government came in. Back when it was in Sao Paulo, the attendance was greater than most American events. Money is there. Stability is what is not there and that is from within IndyCar management for the 99% of the time.
 
Here's the one question I have to ask though: Who wants Indycar in Europe? Sure there are fans here that want that but on the whole, how many fans, tracks, promoters or sponsors in Europe are constantly trying to vie for Indycar's attention? As far as I can tell, this series doesn't exactly come off as something that's in demand right now.
 
BRRT_Angel
You're not understanding me. They go to the international races because money is there. Things were set in Brazil until the new government came in. Back when it was in Sao Paulo, the attendance was greater than most American events. Money is there. Stability is what is not there and that is from within IndyCar management for the 99% of the time.
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I fully understood what you were saying.

The money isn't there any longer though. The Brazilian government withdrew the funding, the Brazilian partnership has been dissolved and Tony Kanaan's personal sponsorship along with it. Some of the teams could barely afford the upgrades for the aerokits, nevermind the chassis upgrades that should be going along with them but aren't because the money isn't there for them.

That doesn't even begin to cover the lack of sponsors for teams themselves. There are top teams and top drivers that can't get sponsorship. If the international community has this apparent interest in the sport, they're sure doing a great job of showing it through their lack of involvement.
 
GTPorsche
I fully understood what you were saying.

The money isn't there any longer though. The Brazilian government withdrew the funding, the Brazilian partnership has been dissolved and Tony Kanaan's personal sponsorship along with it. Some of the teams could barely afford the upgrades for the aerokits, nevermind the chassis upgrades that should be going along with them but aren't because the money isn't there for them.

That doesn't even begin to cover the lack of sponsors for teams themselves. There are top teams and top drivers that can't get sponsorship. If the international community has this apparent interest in the sport, they're sure doing a great job of showing it through their lack of involvement.
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This is where economics get confusing. As competitive as it is, there's no championship guarantee and that turns potential sponsorship off. However, that also means that promising teams will remain just that, and the order of things doesn't change, which is what sponsorship is supposed to help do. There isn't a series quite as polarizing as IndyCar. The sponsors that are there go all in. Others just lend "pocket change".
 
ukfan758
Why would Indycar going to F1 venues be bad for the sport? It's not bad to be compared to F1 (the racing would probably be better at the Indycar race anyway ;) :p).
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It would be bad because its highly unlikely that the people surrounding the circuit wouldn't go because it isn't F1, so they would get fewer numbers trackside, they would always be better off going to a place that has racing heritage but doesn't have F1 or in the case of North America many other big series go there,

If Indycar went to Portland id bet big cash that those stands would be packed, they were always around 80% in the champcar days,
 
BRRT_Angel
This is where economics get confusing. As competitive as it is, there's no championship guarantee and that turns potential sponsorship off. However, that also means that promising teams will remain just that, and the order of things doesn't change, which is what sponsorship is supposed to help do. There isn't a series quite as polarizing as IndyCar. The sponsors that are there go all in. Others just lend "pocket change".
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Championship guarantee, what the 🤬 are you talking about. Name one racing series anywhere in the would that gives a team sponsor a guaranteed championship. Well, maybe Chevy in NASCAR, but there are plenty of Chevys to choose from so that's not really a team guarantee. Yes I know Dodge won a couple years ago, NASCAR needs to throw the others a bone once a decade or so or they would all leave. Didn't work in the case of Dodge though did it. :D
 
Another Brit! :D. Also means the West of Yorkshire has 2 participants in Indy Car with Hawksworth too :lol:
 
MustangManiac
Championship guarantee, what the 🤬 are you talking about. Name one racing series anywhere in the would that gives a team sponsor a guaranteed championship. Well, maybe Chevy in NASCAR, but there are plenty of Chevys to choose from so that's not really a team guarantee. Yes I know Dodge won a couple years ago, NASCAR needs to throw the others a bone once a decade or so or they would all leave. Didn't work in the case of Dodge though did it. :D
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Look at the sponsorship in F1 and NASCAR. The teams that have won championships and are in the battles for those championship have way more sponsorship going around. No, there isn't a certified guarantee on who will win the championship, but you can predict the teams. That's where my case was pointed.
 
Basically in other words, the team with the most money are the ones that are going to win a championship?
 
RACECAR
Basically in other words, the team with the most money are the ones that are going to win a championship?
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The common sense result yes.
 
RACECAR
Basically in other words, the team with the most money are the ones that are going to win a championship?
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In most cases this applies to every series in racing.

More money means, better staff, drivers, better parts.
 
mustafur
In most cases this applies to every series in racing.

More money means, better staff, drivers, better parts.
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So how come Milka Duno with her oil money never won a race or championship? ;)
 
mustafur
Because money doesn't change the worst driver in indy history.
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Well you just seemed to take driver out of the equation.

RACECAR
Basically in other words, the team with the most money are the ones that are going to win a championship?
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mustafur
In most cases this applies to every series in racing.

More money means, better staff, drivers, better parts.
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Furinkazen
I did read, and indeed just quoted exactly what you said, which was quite contradictory to your reply to me :)
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I was unaware she was a team that also had the most money on the grid.

Becuase she wasn't.
 
Aero kit!

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:yuck: The same with more winglets then?

Find the comparison photo, the Dallara is so much nicer :(

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I liked that post, upon a closer look the like was removed
 
They are starting to look a lot like F1 cars with all those winglets, minus the ugly noses and plus the ugly rear bumpers so I suppose that's a wash. No doubt during the race a few of these will get knocked off, the performance won't suffer and teams will be thinking - why did we pay for all these aero bits and wind tunnel time, just like F1 :D
 
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