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Indeed - the BBC have a policy of not showing replays of accidents until they know a driver is okay.... Not showing a replay of an accident is a good policy, one that every broadcaster should adopt.

Most networks (at least in the US) don't replay an accident at all if a driver is seriously injured or killed. Not sure why ABC decided to do so now.

Really broken up about this one. Hard to see what I'm typing. RIP Dan.
 
There has to be a better safety system than metal catch fences about the exterior track walls. Especially at tracks that hold races for open wheel series. There's always a slight chance that a crash like this could occur, as it has before. Last one I can remember is Kenny Brack's horrific crash at Texas about a decade ago.

Greg Moore and Jeff Krosnoff both died in similar accidents. The common denominator is the open cockpit. As long as there is open cockpit racing, drivers will be vulnerable to hitting a wall or a catchfence in the head-first fashion.

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Steve
 
There has to be a better safety system than metal catch fences about the exterior track walls. Especially at tracks that hold races for open wheel series. There's always a slight chance that a crash like this could occur, as it has before. Last one I can remember is Kenny Brack's horrific crash at Texas about a decade ago.

I agree, but am more inclined to think it was the return to terra firma that was worse. When Petrov got airborne in F1 earlier this year, the landing was so forceful, it broke the steering column.

Today, we saw a car get launched 5,6,7 meters up and forward what, like 50 or 60m? That is a tremendous amount of energy being transmitted back up through a floorplan and chassis with no suspension upon landing.
 
What were the results of Las Vegas, today's race? And who is the champion? And what crash are you guys talking about? Could you post a video of the one that happened today if one did? Sorry, I was at baseball.
 
What were the results of Las Vegas, today's race? And who is the champion? And what crash are you guys talking about? Could you post a video of the one that happened today if one did? Sorry, I was at baseball.

At the moment, their is no results. There was a crash that happened at lap 12 and it killed Dan Weldon. The race was ended and a 5 lap salute was given to him.
 
What were the results of Las Vegas, today's race? And who is the champion? And what crash are you guys talking about? Could you post a video of the one that happened today if one did? Sorry, I was at baseball.

Before you put your foot in it any further, how about you read a few of the last pages of this thread??
 
What were the results of Las Vegas, today's race? And who is the champion? And what crash are you guys talking about? Could you post a video of the one that happened today if one did? Sorry, I was at baseball.
Did you even read the last page or so? :odd:
 
I agree, but am more inclined to think it was the return to terra firma that was worse. When Petrov got airborne in F1 earlier this year, the landing was so forceful, it broke the steering column.

Today, we saw a car get launched 5,6,7 meters up and forward what, like 50 or 60m? That is a tremendous amount of energy being transmitted back up through a floorplan and chassis with no suspension upon landing.

That's what caused Will Power's back pain/injury. The top side of Dan Wheldon's car made contact with the fence very hard and his helmet was damaged because of it.

Luckily the new car has changes to reduce any possibility of going airborne because of contact like this wreck had.
 
Pretty sure we'll know more details soon. But I would not blame the catch fence alone. There were too many cars going air born IMO.

Maybe the front wing design... I don't know, but it looks as if when it hits the rear wheel of another car, there's a big probability it's gonna become an inverted ramp...

Also happening in F1. Maybe there should be a rule about the front most part of the car having to be much closer to the ground.

Or maybe I'm just trying to find something to blame so my stomach will calm down.
 
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What were the results of Las Vegas, today's race? And who is the champion? And what crash are you guys talking about? Could you post a video of the one that happened today if one did? Sorry, I was at baseball.

Why would you want to watch it? Then again this is modern society and our main form of entertainment is other people's misfortunes..
 
Most networks (at least in the US) don't replay an accident at all if a driver is seriously injured or killed. Not sure why ABC decided to do so now.
Like I said, there were fifteen cars in various states of scrap metal. When one or two cars are involved in a crash, it's manageable; Indycar can keep feeding information back to the commentators, so they know what's going on, even if they aren't showing it. When fifteen cars are strewn across the circuit, with half of them on fire and the other half having taken heavy damage from becoming airborne, it's a very different story - informing the commentators of what is happening is probably the last thing on anyone's mind. Especially since there was no immediate indication that Wheldon's life was in any more danger than anybody else. The survival cell of his car was left intact, and from the on-board camera, he did not appear to be injured to begin with. Taken at face value, the biggest danger to him was a flare up of fuel that burned for a second and then went out (and his helmet and overalls would have protected him from that). We now know that Wheldon was critically injured, but at the time of the crash when nobody really knew exactly what was going on, informing the commentators/network of the situation probably wasn't high on their list of priorities.

And we also get a little blase about accidents in motorsport. With safety for competitors, teams and spectators being paramount, we do tend to ignore or maginalise it because we assume the survival cell and the protective clothing and the roll hoop will all do their respective jobs and a driver will be alright. Like I said, from the on-board footage of Wheldon's car - the camera somehow remained intact - there was not immediately-obvious threat to Wheldon. It looked like something he could walk away from, maybe a little sore in places, but while we all knew the accident was a bad one, the attitude towards modern motorsports meant that nobody really expressed any concern any driver's life. Not becaus they didn't care, but because we no longer really appreciate how dangerous motorsport is.
 
I could tell by the drivers' body language that the news wasn't good. I lost it when they announced he had died.

RIP Dan Wheldon.




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I... I... Just wow. Terrible day for motorsport. I can't believe what happened. It looks as if the covered back wheels might be helpful next season.

Indy has lost one of it's racing greats.
R.I.P. Dan Wheldon
Indy 500 winner.
 
And we also get a little blase about accidents in motorsport. With safety for competitors, teams and spectators being paramount, we do tend to ignore or maginalise it because we assume the survival cell and the protective clothing and the roll hoop will all do their respective jobs and a driver will be alright. Like I said, from the on-board footage of Wheldon's car - the camera somehow remained intact - there was not immediately-obvious threat to Wheldon. It looked like something he could walk away from, maybe a little sore in places, but while we all knew the accident was a bad one, the attitude towards modern motorsports meant that nobody really expressed any concern any driver's life. Not becaus they didn't care, but because we no longer really appreciate how dangerous motorsport is.

I'm not sure I want to see the onboard, but I don't recall one being shown. Are you sure you are not getting confused with Will Power or Charlie Kimball's onboards?
The only onboard I saw of Wheldon was immediately as the start the accident happened but they cut away just seconds before Wheldon arrived at the scene.

(if anyone does have it..do not post it here, please).
 
I'm not sure I want to see the onboard, but I don't recall one being shown. Are you sure you are not getting confused with Will Power or Charlie Kimball's onboards?
No, I saw the onboard on the morning news - it was definately Dan Wheldon, the #77 Sam Schmidt Motorsports car.

The only onboard I saw of Wheldon was immediately as the start the accident happened but they cut away just seconds before Wheldon arrived at the scene.
I imagine most broadcasters would cut away before the impact.

(if anyone does have it..do not post it here, please).
I wouldn't dream of it.
 
I too have not seen, nor did I know there was any, onboard footage past the time you mentioned, Ardius.

If there was any bad taste in the replays being shown, that would be the worst of them all.

The only footage from in car I recall seeing was just before they broke away to show the aerial view of the carnage.

Sad Sunday, so young.
 
Like I said, there were fifteen cars in various states of scrap metal. When one or two cars are involved in a crash, it's manageable; Indycar can keep feeding information back to the commentators, so they know what's going on, even if they aren't showing it. When fifteen cars are strewn across the circuit, with half of them on fire and the other half having taken heavy damage from becoming airborne, it's a very different story - informing the commentators of what is happening is probably the last thing on anyone's mind. Especially since there was no immediate indication that Wheldon's life was in any more danger than anybody else.

The only thing is, after the announcement that Wheldon had passed away, ABC showed the crash—from several angles—yet again. This is the part that had me more confused than anything.
 
I have to say that ABC's decision to start analysing the accident immediately after the announcement was extremely poor taste. While I can understand obviously everyone wants to know why and what happened...this can be left to a time when we all can choose to view such footage...not when we are watching waiting for news. After they did that I turned off the stream as I did not like the images being repeated over and over.

But I won't let that distract from the main point here. Its just it had to be said. I felt more than a bit sick seeing the accident 4 or 5 more times with the ABC commentators pointing out which car etc etc.
 
If there was any bad taste in the replays being shown, that would be the worst of them all.
If you want bad taste, come down to Australia some time - in the middle on reporting the accident, the morning news took the time to also report on the championship positions. I get that most Australians would be interested in Indycar because Will Power was in contention for the championship, but the way it was reported, the journalist seemed bothered that the race would not be restarted, meaning that Power would not have the opportunity to beat Dario Franchitti. They did the same thing yesterday when Jorge Lorenzo crashed in practice for the MotoGP at Philip Island and could not take place in the race; Lorenzo lost a finger, and while that isn't nearly as serious as Wheldon losing his life, the local commentators were smirking all through the annoucement that Lorenzo was out because it meant Casey Stoner pretty much just had to finish the race to be crowned champion. Not once did they express concern for Lorenzo, just as the journalist here seemed disappointed that Will Power could not take the Indycar championship.
 
But Will Power was out of the race as well so there was no chance at him winning the championship if the race were to be continued.
 
But Will Power was out of the race as well so there was no chance at him winning the championship if the race were to be continued.
I got the sense the journalist was hoping the track could be cleared, the race could be restarted and the drivers who crashed out could use a spare car. Or maybe he just didn't know Power was out. He just came across as disappointed that the race would not be re-run and Will Power would not get a chance to claim the championship.
 
I still can't really believe that he is gone. I remember hearing his name and knowing that he was in the Indy field and getting so used to it. And now... He won't be racing in the sport anymore. I'm tearing up. :(
 
I'm not sleeping tonight.. I have to come back here and pay my respects again.. RIP Dan, you will be missed.
 
I am having a very hard time holding back my tears right now. I just can't believe it. I don't think I'll ever be able to watch another race again, I just witnessed someone lose their life in a crash and its never going to leave me.

I remember what Paul Page said after Greg Moore's death about motor racing.

"Sometimes you wonder if it's worth it."

My father absolutely despises racing because of things like what happened today.

I can't say Page or my father are wrong. Is racing worth Alex Zanardi getting his legs ripped in half, Jorge Lorenzo getting his finger ripped off, or Dan Wheldon and others losing their life in very violent ways?

If I walked away from racing today, and never watched another race how much would you or me be missing out on? Is it worth the tragedies? What if Allan McNish's car cleared the barrier and took out some camera men? And apparently McNish has killed a marshal before long ago in a single seater and thought about quitting, before the wife of the deceased marshal talked him back into racing.

Of course anyone could say these things are accidents and nobody is wanting to get hurt or killed.

But as Paul Page said, is it worth it?

When things like this happen I say no, its not worth it. And I hope I dont change my mind.
 
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I remember what Paul Page said after Greg Moore's death about motor racing.

"Sometimes you wonder if it's worth it."

My father absolutely despises racing because of things like what happened today.

I can't say Page or my father are wrong. Is racing worth Alex Zanardi getting his legs ripped in half, Jorge Lorenzo getting his finger ripped off, or Dan Wheldon and others losing their life in very violent ways?

If I walked away from racing today, and never watched another race how much would you or me be missing out on? Is it worth the tragedies? What if Allan McNish's car cleared the barrier and took out some camera men? And apparently McNish has killed a marshal before long ago in a single seater and thought about quitting, before the wife of the deceased marshal talked him back into racing.

Of course anyone could say these things are accidents and nobody is wanting to get hurt or killed.

But as Paul Page said, is it worth it?

When things like this happen I say no, its not worth it. And I hope I dont change my mind.

That's an excellent point, personally I don't think racers would do it if they didn't enjoy it and think it's worth it, they know the risks and if they were afraid or didn't think it was worth it, they wouldn't be racing in the first place, at least that's how I see it.. Once again, RIP Dan.
 
Some good news (if it can be called that): the three other drivers who were hospitalised in the accident should be okay. Will Power has been released from hospital, whilst JR Hildebrand and Pippa Mann will be kept overnight for obersavtion, but are expected to recover.
 
Rick Huseman ( and his brother and one other person) also passed away today after an airplane accident, I don't know much about Rick and he isn't related to Indy car(he's an off road racer) but the fact still remains that we lost two greats today and it's a tragic day for motorsports.. RIP Rick and Dan.
 
R.I.P Dan, this was the first and probably the last IndyCar race I will watch. God Speed.
 
I was about to go to school when I heard the news, as they were about to announce his death. R.I.P. Dan. I might have never know him before - only during the Indy 500 this year. It's hard for me to accept a death of a driver and I honestly cried when I got to school. Such a great driver with great dreams...

This weekend has been a very gloomy one for the world of motorsport :(
 
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