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I don't believe the current engines would be capable of breaking the record.
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Keep in mind that IndyCar, Chevy, and Honda agreed to decrease the turbo boost on ovals in order to reduce costs and improve reliability and safety. The DW12 is much more aerodynamic compared to past IndyCars, so its engine only needs to output 550 - 600 HP to push the car to speeds of 230 MPH on ovals. However, on road/street courses, the turbo boost is increased and engine output increases to 750 - 800 HP. Technically speaking, with Chevy's and Honda's new body kits coming next year and their continuing advances in engine reliability, the current car has a good shot at breaking the speed record in 2016.
 
and in typical Indycar fashion they waited until all the motorsports media was committed to Bristol and Sebring to have the announcement... oh well its good news anyway.
 
I'm quite please young Jack Hawksworth has got a drive in the series this year, definitely want to see what he can do.
 
Could be a smart move. Indycar could steal alot of F1 fans over the next few years and Verizon wants to be in the cat bird seat.
 
I see no evidence that that will happen. IndyCar is quite inaccessible outside North America. Even when we had a race at Surfers', it was the only coverage we got.
 
Earth
Could be a smart move. Indycar could steal alot of F1 fans over the next few years and Verizon wants to be in the cat bird seat.
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If the racing is anything like the qualifying this weekend I can guarantee you that isn't going to happen!
 
prisonermonkeys
I see no evidence that that will happen. IndyCar is quite inaccessible outside North America. Even when we had a race at Surfers', it was the only coverage we got.
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If the FIA continues on its path with F1, people might work a little harder to find it imo.
 
cnd01
If the FIA continues on its path with F1, people might work a little harder to find it imo.
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And if IndyCar keeps it's path there will be nothing for those fans to find(no aero kits, condensed schedule, raising ticket prices etc.). Plus, if there were any F1 fans interested in IndyCar they would likely already be watching it as the race times don't clash very often.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
What's the FIA doing wrong exactly?
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The new engines aren't exactly stellar. The cars look sluggish on tv, and the noses aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing unless you're into that stuff. Of course, that's all my opinion. Even Ecclestone didn't like it.

Justin
And if IndyCar keeps it's path there will be nothing for those fans to find(no aero kits, condensed schedule, raising ticket prices etc.). Plus, if there were any F1 fans interested in IndyCar they would likely already be watching it as the race times don't clash very often.
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At least IndyCar has the playing field relatively level with cars that look pretty good. They have different kits for ovals and road courses which are necessary. I agree with the schedule condensing idea, but they're pulling a NASCAR by raising the ticket prices which will lead to lower crowds.

All in all, neither are really helping themselves. I don't make it a point to watch F1 when it's at an odd time slot for U.S. I don't know when IndyCar is racing half the time either, so it's really not ideal in any case. I'm glad Verizon jumped on as a sponsor which will only help the series.
 
cnd01
The new engines aren't exactly stellar. The cars look sluggish on tv, and the noses aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing unless you're into that stuff. Of course, that's all my opinion. Even Ecclestone didn't like it.
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Ecclestone usually doesn't like many changes the FIA approves and usually says off the wall things to keep his money train in the spot light. What's wrong with the new engines exactly? The cars are going as fast as they have been and can go faster once the teams figure them out further. They were only a couple seconds off their old times, and they looked just as fast onboard as they have in the past. To be honest I always think the cars are moving slow (outside WEC P1 cars) and that the camera movements do more to make the perceived idea and that's any racing.

I don't recall you being much of an international motorsports fan much less an F1 fan in general, most people are over the noses and those keeping up are either casual fans that don't pay attention or die hards clinging to decades past (the same crying over the burial of V12s and V10s mainly).
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Ecclestone usually doesn't like many changes the FIA approves and usually says off the wall things to keep his money train in the spot light. What's wrong with the new engines exactly? The cars are going as fast as they have been and can go faster once the teams figure them out further. They were only a couple seconds off their old times, and they looked just as fast onboard as they have in the past. To be honest I always think the cars are moving slow (outside WEC P1 cars) and that the camera movements do more to make the perceived idea and that's any racing.

I don't recall you being much of an international motorsports fan much less an F1 fan in general, most people are over the noses and those keeping up are either casual fans that don't pay attention or die hards clinging to decades past (the same crying over the burial of V12s and V10s mainly).
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The "most expensive racing engines in history" comment really turned me off to the idea.
 
cnd01
The "most expensive racing engines in history" comment really turned me off to the idea.
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They always had the most expensive due to the nature of their series and what it brings to the real world supply side. The V8s were more expensive than the outgoing V10s and the same is these V6s. However, over the long run they will be cheaper than the entire run of the V8s which is being projected.
 
cnd01
The cars look sluggish on tv,
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I would say IndyCar is worse in this aspect, the sidepods just make the car look bloated and slow. Apart from the slower sections of tracks F1 cars look as fast as always.

At least IndyCar has the playing field relatively level
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Last year Andretti, Ganassi and Penske won 14 out of the 19 races. Just like every other semi-spec series, the playing field seems level but it rarely ends up that way.

with cars that look pretty good.
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Right after the DW12 was unveiled I saw more people complaining about its looks than praising them. Over the years it has ( as expected) grown on people. Personally, the last an IndyCar looked good was the mid-90's.

They have different kits for ovals and road courses which are necessary.
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I'm well aware of that, but its not what I'm talking about. Supposedly we will see them in '15, but we've seen that date pushed back a couple times already.
 
prisonermonkeys
I see no evidence that that will happen. IndyCar is quite inaccessible outside North America. Even when we had a race at Surfers', it was the only coverage we got.
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Things change

Before the North American openwheel split hurt the sport, Mansell had already jumped ship to Indycar, and Senna after testing for Roger Penske's Indycar team was ready to jump ship too. Then of course the split happened.

Indycar is well on its way back. And I just dont see F1 being that appealing to fans over the next few years. Who really watches a 90 minute sprint race featuring the fastest racecars where the drivers have to conserve tires and now fuel too? Its an oxymoron. I watched the first F1 race this year and it will probably be my last of the season, excluding Monaco. Maybe next year with some changes to the rules they can make the racing enjoyable for me again, but who knows.
 
Earth
Indycar is well on its way back.
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It is?

And I just dont see F1 being that appealing to fans over the next few years.
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People have been saying that for years and the numbers have been pretty steady.

Who really watches a 90 minute sprint race featuring the fastest racecars where the drivers have to conserve tires and now fuel too?
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Everyone that watches anything other than a true sprint series. I personally love the way F1 is currently set up fuel and tire wise as it tests more than just the driver's speed.

I watched the first F1 race this year and it will probably be my last of the season, excluding Monaco. Maybe next year with some changes to the rules they can make the racing enjoyable for me again, but who knows.
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While you're not alone in that view, from what I've seen you are far from the majority.
 
Justin
It is?

People have been saying that for years and the numbers have been pretty steady.

Everyone that watches anything other than a true sprint series. I personally love the way F1 is currently set up fuel and tire wise as it tests more than just the driver's speed.

While you're not alone in that view, from what I've seen you are far from the majority.
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F1's TV ratings have been plummeting for at least 2 years straight now

http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/feb/15/formula-one-tv
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112399

And that article you posted was before Dish picked up the NBC sports network on its most popular package, making Indycar available to many more. Im confident the ratings will go up this year.
 
Earth
F1's TV ratings have been plummeting for at least 2 years straight now
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From your second link...

The United States, the United Kingdom and Italy all delivered increases in audiences. (see below)
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Just like everything else, ratings go up and down, hence why I said they've been pretty steady.

And that article you posted was before Dish picked up the NBC sports network on its most popular package, making Indycar available to many more. Im confident the ratings will go up this year.
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I have a hard time seeing it making that much of a difference when even the Indy 500 on ABC hit a record low for viewers.
 
Earth
Thats not surprising considering the series has been hidden on the NBC sports network for a couple of years now.

Bad news for the Indycar field, Montoya is already on pace

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/112983
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I think Montoya has scared the field into following him for the fear of getting put into the tires :lol:

As far as IndyCar vs. F1 popularity, F1 will always be the most popular worldwide, but IndyCar can and I think they will close the gap if the current trends continue. Of course, there may not be an IndyCar in 3 years either
 
cnd01
I think Montoya has scared the field into following him for the fear of getting put into the tires :lol:

As far as IndyCar vs. F1 popularity, F1 will always be the most popular worldwide, but IndyCar can and I think they will close the gap if the current trends continue. Of course, there may not be an IndyCar in 3 years either
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F1 can go down. Indycar had gotten huge in the early 90s. It started getting more international drivers, more international races. Teams had huge budgets (5m for Indy alone), 5-6 engine suppliers, 4-5 chassis. And then the split.

If a split/breakaway series were ever to happen in F1, it would wreck the sport, leaving the door open for Indycar, like how the Indycar split left the door open for NASCAR to take over America.

With the new controversial rules, a split is closer to happening then ever before. The FIA of course will do everything in its power to make Ferrari etc happy, and chaps like Will Buxton will still have brown lips from so much butt kissing, but a split in F1 even if Ferrari stayed would still do mega damage to the sport.

Just look how much the '95 baseball strike wrecked that sport...until the league juiced up players to put on an artifical homerun show that even I fell for to get people excited again.

Or hockey which has never recovered from its most recent strike.

F1 is one bad day away from falling far from its current position of esteem.
 
Earth
F1 can go down. Indycar had gotten huge in the early 90s. It started getting more international drivers, more international races. Teams had huge budgets (5m for Indy alone), 5-6 engine suppliers, 4-5 chassis. And then the split.

If a split/breakaway series were ever to happen in F1, it would wreck the sport, leaving the door open for Indycar, like how the Indycar split left the door open for NASCAR to take over America.

With the new controversial rules, a split is closer to happening then ever before. The FIA of course will do everything in its power to make Ferrari etc happy, and chaps like Will Buxton will still have brown lips from so much butt kissing, but a split in F1 even if Ferrari stayed would still do mega damage to the sport.

Just look how much the '95 baseball strike wrecked that sport...until the league juiced up players to put on an artifical homerun show that even I fell for to get people excited again.

Or hockey which has never recovered from its most recent strike.

F1 is one bad day away from falling far from its current position of esteem.
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We've seen how a split in sports car racing has messed it up for years (I don't see TUSC making it long term atm either) as well. The F1 engine regs look to me like the FIA is trying to stack its own deck by roughly aligning them with the WEC engine regs. I'm sure there's pressure to coax Audi or Porsche into F1 as well as get Ferrari and others in the WEC. Looks like it's done a great job of watering down F1 so far and not much else. Bernie may be a crook, but he's smart enough to know that what the FIA is attempting could fall on its face.
 
cnd01
We've seen how a split in sports car racing has messed it up for years (I don't see TUSC making it long term atm either) as well. The F1 engine regs look to me like the FIA is trying to stack its own deck by roughly aligning them with the WEC engine regs. I'm sure there's pressure to coax Audi or Porsche into F1 as well as get Ferrari and others in the WEC. Looks like it's done a great job of watering down F1 so far and not much else. Bernie may be a crook, but he's smart enough to know that what the FIA is attempting could fall on its face.
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No they are not, once again I've already explained why they did what they did, it has nothing to do with WEC. If it did F1 would be running jet fighter canopies and allowing the usage of diesel engines. The only thing I've seen that works in unison with F1 is by extending the regs to make it to where WEC can expand by being a de facto test series for F1 teams. All the more reason why I wouldn't be surprised to see Ferrari join, they get test time with their current engine, they also get a shot at returning to sports car glory while making better their F1 team and subsequent wins potentially.

There is no pressure there was a couple years ago by a group named VW :sly:, and they said sure, then no thanks we'll stick to Rally racing cause it suits our image and buyers we are selling to. Same is for Audi and Porsche, and really Porsche is only coming back to racing in a top tier class so they stay number 1 and don't get over taken.

Also me and @Justin have both asked you how this is going to hurt F1 and somehow improve Indy racing? We both more then adequately put forth an argument and you ignored it and still are on about it somehow failing...

Just sounds like more anti-international racing conjecture from you really
 
I tend to think CDN01 is more anti anything really; he rarely sees the bright light in any series and compares completely different things. Indycar has some room for improvement but they have held on for now with big sponsor stepping up to push them into a bigger spotlight. F1 itself isn't going anywhere period, way too many rich folks paying the bills to have it go anywhere.
 
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