2016 Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Results and TalkTouring Cars 

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05XR8
The Singapore circuit doesn't look half bad during sunset.
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It's too long, but it would be pretty easy to shorten it by turning left at the war memorial and rejoining at the top of the Esplanade Bridge.
 
As long as those passing opportunities remain, I think it could work.
 
05XR8
As long as those passing opportunities remain, I think it could work.
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It keeps the first corner and the end of Raffles Boulevard, but it removes the one at the top of the Esplanade Bridge. If the chicane under the grandstand could be removed, it could create an extra opportunity into the final complex.
 
Pretty quick time by The Future in Practice 4.
 
It'd be cool if they built a 'replica' Sandown Raceway somewhere else so it can live on after the original circuit is demolished.
Maybe they should incorporate it into the proposed circuit at Ballarat? Wishful thinking though.

Moffat and Davies seem to be enjoying each other's company on track :P
 
Right, it's fairly established that V8s are on a steady decline and dying as a series, and the new car regs have (for now) have failed completely to attract new manufacturers (barring Nissan). So why not switch to a tweaked version of the NGTC formula? Worked wonders in the UK and the reg set is not that far off of V8's as one may think. Spec frame, bodywork free to construct around, weight is a bit lighter (around 1300kg) but the engines at moment (2 litre turbo) already offer over 400hp boost depending. A slightly larger chassis to accomodate a bigger engine built to the same reg set would be cheaper, more affordable and still keep a high level of performance. Instead we are stuck Formula Holden.
 
I don't think the series is dying, it's just manufacturer interest is, next Year is a new regulation though so i would wait to see how that goes first.

NGTC is a good regulation but I don't think people here would accept cars losing that much speed.
 
Furinkazen
the new car regs have (for now) have failed completely to attract new manufacturers (barring Nissan)
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They were introduced too late to make a 2017 start viable.

Furinkazen
So why not switch to a tweaked version of the NGTC formula?
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Because they're boring. I seriously doubt NGTC cars could survive a race as long as ours - we do more racing in a single race than the BTCC does in an entire meeting.
 
Another problem is the Australian market. Don't think many manufacturer companies who weren't interested before would suddenly be interested in making cars for Australian racing.

mustafur
NGTC is a good regulation but I don't think people here would accept cars losing that much speed.
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Especially in endurance races. Bathurst is around 7 Hours normally, I can't imagine how long it would be with slower cars.
 
mustafur
I don't think the series is dying, it's just manufacturer interest is, next Year is a new regulation though so i would wait to see how that goes first.

NGTC is a good regulation but I don't think people here would accept cars losing that much speed.
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RESHIRAM5
Another problem is the Australian market. Don't think many manufacturer companies who weren't interested before would suddenly be interested in making cars for Australian racing.


Especially in endurance races. Bathurst is around 7 Hours normally, I can't imagine how long it would be with slower cars.
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Hence why I said allow bigger engines. Cars are slightly lighter as well under those regs so improving tyre wear and cornering speed and Super Tourers raced at Bathurst....

prisonermonkeys
They were introduced too late to make a 2017 start viable.


Because they're boring. I seriously doubt NGTC cars could survive a race as long as ours - we do more racing in a single race than the BTCC does in an entire meeting.
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I'm pretty sure they did, and you obviously don't watch the series if you think it is boring.
 
About a little quicker than Super Tourers?
The Group A cars were doing 2minute 13s at Bathurst. 6hours 20minutes.

VASC can do 2m 5s.

MARC Cars would be the closest to a VASC program. Any engine can fit and any body shape.
 
05XR8
About a little quicker than Super Tourers?
The Group A cars were doing 2minute 13s at Bathurst. 6hours 20minutes.

VASC can do 2m 5s.

MARC Cars would be the closest to a VASC program. Any engine can fit and any body shape.
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I've discussed with fellow aussies as well, MARC goes down well there certainly. Surprised that hasn't taken off more in all honestly.
 
Furinkazen
Hence why I said allow bigger engines. Cars are slightly lighter as well under those regs so improving tyre wear and cornering speed and Super Tourers raced at Bathurst....
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Wouldn't bigger engines just increase the weight of the car making it redundant?
 
RESHIRAM5
Wouldn't bigger engines just increase the weight of the car making it redundant?
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Can take ballast out, the NGTC cars do have ballast by default if needed. Speedworks built a Toyota so well for 2015 that they had to ballast it to bring into line with regs.
 
Furinkazen
you obviously don't watch the series if you think it is boring
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No, I obviously don't watch the series anymore if I think it's boring. The races are over before they have even had a chance to begin.
 
Furinkazen
I've discussed with fellow aussies as well, MARC goes down well there certainly. Surprised that hasn't taken off more in all honestly.
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I'm surprised as well. Runs good at the 12H when it's not punted into the dirt.

It would certainly be a stepping stone below the DVS and side by side with Carrera Cup. Could be a fork in the road to go Supercars or GT racing.

Edit: Actually, MARC cars would be a good series to replace V8 Utes.
 
prisonermonkeys
No, I obviously don't watch the series anymore if I think it's boring. The races are over before they have even had a chance to begin.
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That is no way related to on track overtaking.

05XR8
I'm surprised as well. Runs good at the 12H when it's not punted into the dirt.

It would certainly be a stepping stone below the DVS and side by side with Carrera Cup. Could be a fork in the road to go Supercars or GT racing.
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Very much true. 👍
 
It's hard to say V8s are dying when only Volvo is leaving and the 2 cars they have will be replaced by 2 other cars.

with the more open regulation next year I suspect more manufacturers will be interested.
 
In terms of manufacturer competition, the current regulations have been a failure. This was promoted as the end of the era of Holden vs. Ford, however it sure doesn't feel like it with only 1 Volvo threat and the rest aren't putting any challenges to the current 2 rulers.
 
mustafur
It's hard to say V8s are dying when only Volvo is leaving and the 2 cars they have will be replaced by 2 other cars.

with the more open regulation next year I suspect more manufacturers will be interested.
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Only if they feel they can exploit a small market for international sales. Which I feel Volvo was going for a bit.
RESHIRAM5
In terms of manufacturer competition, the current regulations have been a failure. This was promoted as the end of the era of Holden vs. Ford, however it sure doesn't feel like it with only 1 Volvo threat and the rest aren't putting any challenges to the current 2 rulers.
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The Gen 2 or CoT wasn't really going to and we had more manufactures with it than before it. The new rules are coming in at the start of next year, people may not see such a small market a reason to spend such high amounts of money especially if it only helps sales cars in Australia. I think Nissan with the Super Girls team feels they can promote more interest and PR outside of the Aussie domestic market with their cars.
 
RESHIRAM5
In terms of manufacturer competition, the current regulations have been a failure. This was promoted as the end of the era of Holden vs. Ford, however it sure doesn't feel like it with only 1 Volvo threat and the rest aren't putting any challenges to the current 2 rulers.
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The "problem" is the 20 year head start Holden and Ford have had.
It was as different with Group A. Those cars were the same around the world.
Even though Erebus won 2 races in 3 years, they had to play catch up. Nissan were a bit different. NISMO admit not taking the category seriously. Volvo did. As we clearly saw on their debut.

If Ford and Holden developed multivalve engines back in 2013, it would have been an even playing field. Possibly, with Volvo leading the Championship now. Ifs, ands, buts aside, less than a second separating the field, all we've seen are strategies that have hindered the other manufacturers from consistant wins.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
we had more manufactures with it than before it.
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That's because last regulation pretty much banned any manufacturer outside Holden and Ford.

LMSCorvetteGT2
I think Nissan with the Super Girls team feels they can promote more interest and PR outside of the Aussie domestic market with their cars.
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IMO, it'll depend if they can keep up with Holden and Ford once Gen2 hits. If they don't then I don't see any other manufacturers wishing to join in the competition.

Volvo was probably the best pioneer but they absolutely won't be any help anymore.
 
Reasons you can't compare BTCC to Supercars:

1. Races are shorter
2. Different Tyre regulations
3. Reverse Grids.
4. Success Ballast
5. Completely different tracks
6. Top Teams have significantly larger budgets in Supercars.
7. Has FWD and RWD

BTCC tries to make it more unequal to provide equal racing(which works but it is still very different).
 
RESHIRAM5
That's because last regulation pretty much banned any manufacturer outside Holden and Ford.
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Still brought interested parties, so why wouldn't a more open engine reg?

IMO, it'll depend if they can keep up with Holden and Ford once Gen2 hits. If they don't then I don't see any other manufacturers wishing to join in the competition.

Volvo was probably the best pioneer but they absolutely won't be any help anymore.
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It's not that hard, sure chassis design may be part of the problem, but even without factory support PRA has shown you can win races. IT's not hard to keep up with Holden, but why spend the money if you can race in another series and get as much PR or more with better exposure.
 
Hey, all 4 manufacturers qualifird in the Top 10.

Edit: Tough DVS race. Jacobson was holding up Lebrocq.
 
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Le Brocq made an absolute mess out of that overtaking attempt. You've got to feel bad for Hazelwood, who was looking at his first win.
 
Yeah, he screwed that one. I'm seriously nervous for the qualifying races. If that was a preview. :scared:
 
I thought I was watching a GT6 online race for a moment when the Penrite car turned into a ghost as it went off into the digital advertising. :lol:
 
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