2016 Virgin Australia Supercars Championship - Results and TalkTouring Cars 

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Pete05
I'll admit I didn't know about the brake duct being the contributing factor of the problem but, I still don't want to see a Supercar hurtling into a corner minus brakes all in the name of cost cutting.
If it was production based racing, historics or some other class where you race what you bring then ok. Make the most of what you've got but Supercars? Please :rolleyes:
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Just look at it this way, the brakes have a certain amount of wear just like tyres or fuel usage. The harder they go, the faster they wear down etc all they have to do is be more conservative. I cant see any problems with it.

I would like to see how it goes first before I judge if its good or bad for the sport though (plus its not every round at the moment)
 
Dustone
Just look at it this way, the brakes have a certain amount of wear just like tyres or fuel usage. The harder they go, the faster they wear down etc all they have to do is be more conservative. I cant see any problems with it.

I would like to see how it goes first before I judge if its good or bad for the sport though (plus its not every round at the moment)
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It sounds like a gimmick, that's the problem. Gimmicks in my eyes should always be judged as bad despite what "entertainment" value they bring.
 
It's like the soft and hard tyre thing. Also the only giving teams one set of tyres(exaggeration :D ) for the whole weekend and handing them back.

These are big heavy cars. Why mess with the one thing drivers rely on for safety? Stopping.
 
05XR8
These are big heavy cars. Why mess with the one thing drivers rely on for safety? Stopping.
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Remember the British Grand Prix a couple of years ago, the one with all the explosive tyre delaminations? The problem wasn't in the construction of the tyres - it was in the way that the teams were knowingly and deliberately misusing them.

The brake problems that the teams are using are a recent phenomenon. That to me suggests that something has changed in the way the brakes are being used, and I think that's supported by Ryan Story's comments about the way drivers have started using the brakes to turn the car.

So are VESA limiting the number of brakes available for no good reason, or are they cracking down on an unsafe practice?
 
prisonermonkeys
Remember the British Grand Prix a couple of years ago, the one with all the explosive tyre delaminations? The problem wasn't in the construction of the tyres - it was in the way that the teams were knowingly and deliberately misusing them.

The brake problems that the teams are using are a recent phenomenon. That to me suggests that something has changed in the way the brakes are being used, and I think that's supported by Ryan Story's comments about the way drivers have started using the brakes to turn the car.

So are VESA limiting the number of brakes available for no good reason, or are they cracking down on an unsafe practice?
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Yes but Pirelli didn't start limiting tires (another consumable resource of cars) because teams abused them, rather with the help of the FIA enforced a system where teams would be in trouble for putting on tires in an improper fashion to gain speed. Same thing should be done here, or at least don't bs fans, teams and drivers by calling it "cost cutting" when in fact you believe it to be a measure of safety.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
Same thing should be done here, or at least don't bs fans, teams and drivers by calling it "cost cutting" when in fact you believe it to be a measure of safety.
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If they call it a safety measure, the fans will simply call it VESA interfering with the racing by banning a particular driving style.
 
prisonermonkeys
If they call it a safety measure, the fans will simply call it VESA interfering with the racing by banning a particular driving style.
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Then so be it, but they only hurt themselves more when they come up with something that could be seen as bigger BS. I don't think fans would really blame the, I mean at least from the scope I see here, where if it really is a safety issue, most people would agree with the call to protect drivers. Since it seems all it would take is a massive failure and a horrible wreck as seen in the past few seasons to hospitalize and backline a driver.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
most people would agree with the call to protect drivers
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I agree, but I think that this move would be somewhat intangible - they say that they're doing it on safety grounds, but there is no tangible effect on the actual racing except for possibly a few drivers going backwards.
 
prisonermonkeys
I agree, but I think that this move would be somewhat intangible - they say that they're doing it on safety grounds, but there is no tangible effect on the actual racing except for possibly a few drivers going backwards.
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If those few drivers are as good as their merits claim, they'll adjust and find a way. If not, then I guess they were only good in a certain scope of the idea.
 
prisonermonkeys
Remember the British Grand Prix a couple of years ago, the one with all the explosive tyre delaminations? The problem wasn't in the construction of the tyres - it was in the way that the teams were knowingly and deliberately misusing them.

The brake problems that the teams are using are a recent phenomenon. That to me suggests that something has changed in the way the brakes are being used, and I think that's supported by Ryan Story's comments about the way drivers have started using the brakes to turn the car.

So are VESA limiting the number of brakes available for no good reason, or are they cracking down on an unsafe practice?
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I'll use the issue in regards to minimum tyre pressures in V8s. FPR were(one of the teams) setting tyre pressures extremely low. Dunlop didn't have a remedy for tyre failures. So, VESA mandated the 17psi rule. Then, Lowndes blows his tyre at Pukekohe. The minimum was upped to 18psi. The drivers and engineers had to adapt and adjust setups.

As a fan/spectator, I can't argue with something done in the name of safety. I just don't see how limited brake pads helps in cutting costs. Let's say, as we see at Bathurst, front & rear brake pads last for about 3 hours of constant running. Pit stop and safety cars accounting for some relief. During this V8 weekend, 1hour for each practice session would leave 1hour left of optimum brake performance(if the teams haven't changed brake pads before qualifying). Another 1 hour practice and then, 15 minutes of qualifying. By the time the race comes about, I'm sure teams would need to have changed brake pads before the start.

If teams are changing brake pads before each session, I can see where the cost comes into it. Yet, if brake performance dwindles because teams aren't allowed to change brake pads after qualifying, that's bad for safety and racing.
 
This weekend's SuperView schedule for those in need:

Race 6:
  • Quali - 8:25pm MST Fri / 11:25pm EDT Fri
  • Race - 11:05pm MST Fri / 2:05am EDT Sat
Race 7:
  • Quali - 6:35pm MST Sat / 9:35pm EDT Sat
  • Race - 8:45pm MST Sat / 11:45pm EDT Sat
 
A bit of rain has started to fall on the circuit at the end of Utes Qualifying. Hopefully it can continue into some of the V8's sessions.
 
LumpiestFish
Well this morning was one of best experiences ever... I did a hot lap with Dunlop Series driver Todd Hazelwood!! It was absolutely amazing, So much fun. I talk about it a little more when I get home tonight :D
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I met Todd a few weeks ago at Sandown for the Shannons Nationals. Helluva nice guy & not one ounce of ego to be found. Bloody good steerer too.
 
Is this the best all Nissan and Volvo drivers have looked?
 
6minutes to go in DVS and Golding quickest so far.

Jeez, Jacobson even quicker by almost 1 second.

LeBroq grabs P1.
 
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turbofozz
Is this the best all Nissan and Volvo drivers have looked?
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I wouldn't say Volvo, Scotty has kept them at the top when he could while fighting mechanical issues. Moffat I think is fast enough to run up there as well but I think the switch from the Nissan hurt a little. He seems to be getting the hang of it now. As for the Nissans, we'll see. Rick certainly is showing some speed this weekend. I'm actually really surprised how fast Dale Wood has been over the last couple practice sessions.
 
When is the race, I need it since there is so much "drama" in other places of the forum.
 
It's way darker here at the track than the TV looks. I'm on the main straight at the moment next next to the grandstand. I except some more rain soon, i can see it over the water.
 
LMSCorvetteGT2
When is the race, I need it since there is so much "drama" in other places of the forum.
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R1600Turbo
This weekend's SuperView schedule for those in need:

Race 6:
  • Quali - 8:25pm MST Fri / 11:25pm EDT Fri
  • Race - 11:05pm MST Fri / 2:05am EDT Sat
Race 7:
  • Quali - 6:35pm MST Sat / 9:35pm EDT Sat
  • Race - 8:45pm MST Sat / 11:45pm EDT Sat
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A lot of Mustang and Altima bodies in Aussie Racing Cars. Would love for that to translate to V8s.
 
Too bad for LeBroq.
A little bit crazy bit, looking forward to the main game race.
 
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The "Back" button on my Foxtel remote is gonna get a bit of a work out switching between F1 Qualifying and the V8's race, which should hopefully be pretty good. Wonder if weather will play a role in the proceedings...
 
Some dark clouds behind the track heading this way but I don't think they will back anymore than just clouds
 
Doesn't do Caruso any good to qualify 6th if he can't get it off the damn line.
 
Nice start from the HRT cars making up a few spots. Just imagine how much better they'd go if they could actually qualify the cars closer to the front. :lol: :indiff:
 
Is Mostert good or what?

The Future is in control. Awesome stuff.

Hmm, Toyota branding on Holdsworth's wing. :D
 
YES! AWESOME RACING!

Aww, Pye. What the?...
 
05XR8
Is Mostert good or what?

The Future is in control. Awesome stuff.

Hmm, Toyota branding on Holdsworth's wing. :D
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The Toyota branding would be something to do with Charlie's forklift business.
Nice thought though huh.
 
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