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dylanlikes88
I thought the 911 had a wing problem in daytona and spun twice at the kink in the infield. Or maybe it was the 912. Or maybe it wasn't. I could be wrong. don't quote me on this.
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I believe that was the GTD car, since I think the second GTLM Porsche had a mechanical problem and wasn't doing well.

Edit: Tree'd :P
 
catamount39
I don't remember the 911 doing a 360 spin at Daytona? Probably because, it was a nudge? If his tires hadn't been shot he could've held 2nd then too.

If the 912 had nudged the Vette', I would not be nearly as annoyed. This is GT racing, I expect that. Wouldn't be happy but that's what happens when a race comes down to the last few minutes. Not a divebomb that'd make a Stuka jealous.
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A nudge or a tap into a spin? I really don't care. It is a No. Contact. Sport.

Besides Porsche and Corvette have had issues like this going back to ALMS days.
 
Tired Tyres
A nudge or a tap into a spin? I really don't care. It is a No. Contact. Sport.

Besides Porsche and Corvette have had issues like this going back to ALMS days.
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You've never watched SuperGT have you? GT racing is not an open wheel discipline, there are going to be some rough moments.
 
I've watched every sort of racing possible mate. The point stands. It is a no contact sport - regardless of driver behaviour.
 
You've never seen a race at Bristol Motor Speedway have you? You can say it's non-contact until the sun disappears, but accidents do happen. That's all both the Corvette/Porsche incidents were.
 
I have but that is NASCAR. Not the same thing at all. What's the next one? British touring cars? That's assault with a deadly weapon. In neither case does it excuse anybody in sports/GT/prototype racing from observing the rules of the sport.
 
If Makowiecki nudged him out of the way and didn't spin out Milner, it wouldn't have been nearly as controversial as it is now. I would like to hope that both Corvette Racing and Porsche just let it go and race, but Laguna Seca is the next round, and I don't think either manufacturer forgot about 2009. It seems like fireworks may inevitably go off in GTLM in a few days even though I'd rather not see that happen.
 
And this gem. As Jan mentions and you can see, the Porsche brakes a little early to prevent the Vette from making a run out of the corner, hence the bump.


2 races in a row the class leading Vette gets taken out by Porsche. At LB the Porsche had no business trying to make a pass at the hairpin. Convenient the other Porsche was right behind to get by and take the win. Classless. I hope they get what's coming to them next race.

And Porsche's statement -
Remarkably, Porsche's Marco Ujhasi, the brand's overall project manager for its factory GT programs, suggested the team's win was inevitable, deserved, and made no mention of the questionable conduct by Makowiecki that produced the victory.

"The 911 RSR performed excellently and it was clear to us that we would close the gap and win on our own merits," he said. "In this, our drivers did an outstanding job. For Porsche, the first victory at Long Beach in six years is an excellent result. We deserved this win. Thank you to the whole team for their efforts and to Michelin for supplying excellent tires."

Wow classy response. No mention of it was a tough fought battle with Corvette and its unfortunate the way it ended (or something along those lines). Nope. Just they deserved this win, & would have won anyway. Lol yeah ok.:rolleyes:

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Damn! We've lost a lot of good cars this year. Stevenson, Rum Bum, the 158 Multimatic, Fall Line, etc.

I hope we can see some of these programs return as I love the Conti series... It's got some of the best racing out there right now...
 
Wonder if it'd help if they adopted the GTS and TC regulations from the PWC. Surely it'd be some help no?
 
Conti is now way too expensive compared to PWC GTS. We can thank GM with that Camaro, Ford with the new Mustang, and IMSA for going to GT4 regs which are much more expensive to make a car for. ST is dying because of the Cayman
 
Looks pretty darn sweet to me,
 
Well this is going well isn't it? :ouch: :irked: That's only 6 cars then (3 Caddy's, 3 Mazda's). Hopefully Honda gets their **** together and gets a team or two going (7 or 8 wouldn't be so bad). Overall its not looking brilliant at the moment for 2017.

As it stands then:
Mazda (Factory) - 2 cars
Cadillac (Factory/AXR) - 2 cars
SoD (Mazda Privateer) - 1 car
WTR (Cadillac Privateer/Factory) - 1 car
*MSR (Honda Something) - 1 car



* = No idea what's going on there.
 
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catamount39
Well this is going well isn't it? :ouch: :irked: That's only 6 cars then (3 Caddy's, 3 Mazda's). Hopefully Honda gets their **** together and gets a team or two going (7 or 8 wouldn't be so bad). Overall its not looking brilliant at the moment for 2017.

As it stands then:
Mazda (Factory) - 2 cars
Cadillac (Factory/AXR) - 2 cars
SoD (Mazda Privateer) - 1 car
WTR (Cadillac Privateer/Factory) - 1 car
*MSR (Honda Something) - 1 car



* = No idea what's going on there.
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Starworks has ordered a 2017 RileyMatic and will use a unknown engine. They are hoping for some OEM $$ but could fall back on the Gibson if needed.
 
IforceV8
Starworks has ordered a 2017 RileyMatic and will use a unknown engine. They are hoping for some OEM $$ but could fall back on the Gibson if needed.
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Ah okay, last I heard (a long while ago), they had been interested in being a Mazda privateer possibly. Wonder if Porsche or Honda be planning something but not saying anything (total guess, nothing to that other than SoD having used Porsche power many moons ago).
 
If they bought a Ligier then I could see Starworks looking at HPD but since they went with Riley then a customer Mazda program would make sense.
 
IforceV8
If they bought a Ligier then I could see Starworks looking at HPD but since they went with Riley then a customer Mazda program would make sense.
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Especially with the partnerships at this point being Dallara/GM and Riley/Mazda by the looks of it.
 
Add Starworks with a Gibson engine in a Riley/Multimatic. HPD will have something more than likely for 2018 along with Nissan. Wouldn't be surprised if Ford jumps in too come 2018
 
cnd01
Conti is now way too expensive compared to PWC GTS. We can thank GM with that Camaro, Ford with the new Mustang, and IMSA for going to GT4 regs which are much more expensive to make a car for. ST is dying because of the Cayman
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I would imagine just the fact that endurance racing is much more expensive than Sprint racing has something to do with it.

In the PWC races, you only need 1 driver, who actually then probably gets more seat time over a race weekend as a bonus.

PWC also doesn't have pit stops, so you don't need as top notch a pit crew, with a bunch of fancy gear and whatnot.

I think it would be interesting to see the cost of running IMSA GS against IMSA GTD.
 
twitcher
I would imagine just the fact that endurance racing is much more expensive than Sprint racing has something to do with it.

In the PWC races, you only need 1 driver, who actually then probably gets more seat time over a race weekend as a bonus.

PWC also doesn't have pit stops, so you don't need as top notch a pit crew, with a bunch of fancy gear and whatnot.

I think it would be interesting to see the cost of running IMSA GS against IMSA GTD.
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Well GTD is bound to be a skosh more expensive with the GT3 cars being as pricey as they are these days (some more than others, as with GT4 I'd guess).
 
catamount39
Well GTD is bound to be a skosh more expensive with the GT3 cars being as pricey as they are these days (some more than others, as with GT4 I'd guess).
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I too would think GTD would be more expensive, but by how much is the important bit.

If they are reasonably close in price range, and money is not the limiting factor, why would a prospective team choose GS over GTD? Most of the team infrastructure that you need for GS is the same as GTD, so why not suck it up and go for the bigger prize in the bigger races?

And if money is the limiting factor, I would think you get more bang for your buck in PWC GTS as opposed to Conti GS.

I guess what I'm getting at, is, "who is Conti GS tailored towards?" With my limited knowledge, right now it seems to be floating in an awkward middle area.
 
twitcher
I too would think GTD would be more expensive, but by how much is the important bit.

If they are reasonably close in price range, and money is not the limiting factor, why would a prospective team choose GS over GTD? Most of the team infrastructure that you need for GS is the same as GTD, so why not suck it up and go for the bigger prize in the bigger races?

And if money is the limiting factor, I would think you get more bang for your buck in PWC GTS as opposed to Conti GS.

I guess what I'm getting at, is, "who is Conti GS tailored towards?" With my limited knowledge, right now it seems to be floating in an awkward middle area.
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Ah okay I see what your saying. Yes that would be an interesting comparison then, as if they're close there is no real reason to go to GS in the CTSCC. One factor that may distance GS and GTD is the distances run/time on the cars overall, WSCC running more and farther than the CTSCC. But CTSCC still puts on quite a few miles, and GS probably leans towards GTD far more than it leans towards GTS. Actually I would wonder if GT in the PWC comes out cheaper than GS in the CTSCC.
 
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