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Was kinda hoping the NASCAR race rained out by now to watch this unusual race.

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RACECAR
Is there a time when you aren't feeling the need to take a swipe at something?
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Zoom Zoom went boom boom. If I feel like saying something nice I will be sure to let you know.
 
Damn, just when they had two cars capable of winning the race. 55 still has a shot but now, its question of whether they can even keep the car alive.

IforceV8
If I feel like saying something nice I will be sure to let you know.
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If you could stop being a smartass, that'd be great. All you do every race is throw shade at something, either at IMSA or at the DPs. Even with P2 cars leading, you feel some need to repeatidly do that. Lay the hell off of it, I don't come to the motorsport forums just for someone to bring the GT forum crap here under another name.
 
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COME ON #55! AVENGE THE #70!

Edit: #55 nearly binned it. :eek:
 
RACECAR
Damn, just when they had two cars capable of winning the race. 55 still has a shot but now, its question of whether they can even keep the car alive.



If you could stop being a smartass, that'd be great. All you do every race is throw shade at something, either at IMSA or at the DPs. Even with P2 cars leading, you feel some need to repeatidly do that. Lay the hell off of it, I don't come to the motorsport forums just for someone to bring the GT forum crap here under another name.
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Feel free to ignore me then.
 
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I think that's Latin for: "Oops." :lol:

Hopefully the GTD race is as good as this. Which it should be. :drool:
 
The 55 must have damage because the car is off of the leaders pace.

Or old tires thanks Shea.
 
#70 retired due to failed oil pump.
 
SNAFU then!
 
IforceV8
Dont be negative, RACECAR is very sensitive.;)
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Notice I only have a problem with you. Might want to take a hint.
 
Northstar
Ford & Shank actually managed to not self-destruct long enough to win.:eek:
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I'd say that's two wins for both right there :lol:

Great race for them, neither were really the favorites so pleasant surprises from both.
 
Nice work by the only Pro-Am team winning the All-Pro race.👍

52 laps by Ford on a single tank of fuel.:odd: Good win though

Yep.

 
Congrats to Ford, that was a ballsy strategy. Sucks to see Corvette have troubles, but hey, every dog has his day. Onward to the next one.
 
Snaeper
I'll pretend, for the sake of your argument, that you have a good understanding on what each and every Conti team can and cannot afford. We'll also ignore the possibility of a driver buying the car and having the team run it, which is often an option.
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If half of the GS field quits the series in the last 6 months because among other reasons it cost too much to race against factory backed Ford's, the ridiculous Z-28's, and now the $165k Cayman that the only 2 car team is owned by a MLB player who has banked a cool $60 mil in his career.

Northstar
It would actually make little to no sense to replace the Lite cars with LMP3 ones. For starters they are about $100,000 more than a DP02 chassis and I'm guessing the running costs are higher as well.

Secondly it would completely ruin the ladder system for prototypes as PC cars were about 6 seconds faster than Lites around Sebring.
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The car debuted in 2006 so it might be time to move on to something a little more modern and with a safer closed top.

The gap between ACO P2 and P3 cars is about the same as PC and Lites at Sebring and that will grow larger once the new P2 specs debut next year. The Lites class will be much slower than a P2 car and will no longer be relevant.

NP01- A tube framed car with 185 hp is the future of Lites over a 230 hp carbon tub car that weighs 400 lbs less, no way. That thing is at best a club racing car or a toy for track days.
 
IforceV8
The car debuted in 2006 so it might be time to move on to something a little more modern and with a safer closed top.
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I'm not arguing anything else. What I am arguing is how you say that it's not compatible for CTSCC due to costs yet expect teams with even smaller budgets to be able to afford it.

The gap between ACO P2 and P3 cars is about the same as PC and Lites at Sebring and that will grow larger once the new P2 specs debut next year.
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What does this have to do with anything?

The Lites class will be much slower than a P2 car and will no longer be relevant.
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Which is why you have a LMP3/PC class to fill in the gap.

NP01- A tube framed car with 185 hp is the future of Lites over a 230 hp carbon tub car that weighs 400 lbs less, no way. That thing is at best a club racing car or a toy for track days.
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Hence the "modified" part you so kindly left out...
 
How can I watch this race?
 
Got distracted by something I was working on and missed the first 10 minutes of this. Deez Lamboz :drool:

Edit: OH MY GOD THE ASTON IS BACK!! YEEEESSSSS!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!! :D :gtpflag: :gtpflag: :D
 
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Northstar
I'm not arguing anything else. What I am arguing is how you say that it's not compatible for CTSCC due to costs yet expect teams with even smaller budgets to be able to afford it.
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First you said Lites and now it is CTSCC, pick one. The P3 is too fast and too expensive for a field of production cars. It will however likely replace PC and Lites but the issue then is what to do with it and how to market it.

Northstar
What does this have to do with anything?
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Ladder system with a car that is quicker and more advanced.

Northstar
Which is why you have a LMP3/PC class to fill in the gap.
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Lites will go away.

Northstar
Hence the "modified" part you so kindly left out...
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It's a kit car.
 
One driver on FB slammed it as a "Stupidest idea in a long time" moving to LMP3 from PC. I would say I am surprised, but considering how desperate they are to keep the precious inkjets, sorry DPi's, they'll probably try throw themselves over the grave of a very old antiquated and now rather primitive spec racer. But that generally is american racing still - extremely snobbish and backwards bosses and to an extent drivers, not adapting up to date technology and deciding not to move with the rest of the racing world until years after the event. Then they complain :lol:

Also someone (might have been on here or FB) used French GT as an argument against P3. Well when the GT class can barely attract double figures Prototypes will get nothing, so argument there out the window.
 
IforceV8
First you said Lites and now it is CTSCC, pick one.
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I pick neither!

I mentioned CTSCC as when mentioned as a possible home for LMP3 earlier you said this...

IforceV8
Current mandated price for a LMP3 car is 206,000 euro which according to Google is $236,800. No Conti team can afford to spend that much money on a car.
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So, if the LMP3 cars wouldn't be a good fit for CTSCC because of the cost, please tell me how Lites teams of roughly the same size would magically be able to afford it.

Ladder system with a car that is quicker and more advanced.
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Do you know how a ladder system works? I mean, sure it's pretty pointless at the moment anyways as the P class is so small, but still, a ladder is rather pointless if you take a rung and move it up.

Lites will go away.
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Why should it? There were 25 cars at Sebring, which is pretty good for a 1 make support series.

It's a kit car.
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You haven't been paying attention to my posts, have you?

I didn't say they should run it as it currently is. I said, run a modified version of it.

Anyways, if this is how you are going to debate I'm not even going to bother.
 
#23 Heart of Racing Porsche leading followed by the #63 Ferrari and #96 Panzer. Good action all around the circuit! :D


Edit: Congrats to the #23! :D Great to see those guys get a win!
 
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Northstar
So, if the LMP3 cars wouldn't be a good fit for CTSCC because of the cost, please tell me how Lites teams of roughly the same size would magically be able to afford it.
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It is a different series with different issues so it is impossible to make a exact comparison. ESM and JDC/Miller are both well funded 4 car teams so making the switch should not be a big deal for them. I dont know anything about the rest of the Lites field. There will be a few PC drivers looking for rides so there will be a few funded drivers walking around.

Northstar
Do you know how a ladder system works? I mean, sure it's pretty pointless at the moment anyways as the P class is so small, but still, a ladder is rather pointless if you take a rung and move it up.
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Is it something used to used to defeat a $20 billion wall on the Mexican border? See the ELMS LMP3 class for a reference of where the Imsa Am is likely heading.

Northstar
Why should it? There were 25 cars at Sebring, which is pretty good for a 1 make support series.
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Open top cars are being phased out due to driver safety concerns which makes that car obsolete.

Northstar
You haven't been paying attention to my posts, have you?

I didn't say they should run it as it currently is. I said, run a modified version of it.

Anyways, if this is how you are going to debate I'm not even going to bother.
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The DP02 has a FIA-certified carbon fiber monocoque and meets European F3 crash test standards and the NP01 has none of that so you might want to start your modifications there. There is a reason it costs $81K vs $143K of the DP02. It is a KIT CAR for rich guys that live near one of those country club race tracks. It is not suitable for a Imsa ladder series as a replacement for the Lites car.
 
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