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DesertPenguin09
So would you say no matter how radical the RBR is, the TR won't be on the same level or will just be "different"?
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No, it's not that it wont be the same level or can't be. Newey isn't a god as much as people make him out to be, but he is respected and RBR are the main team, if the main team gets undercut by the junior team, how long do you think it would be allowed? It will be different go look at the past threads to see how TR have done things that RBR haven't and how they make a solid car. It tends to be other issues, that cause them to never see full potential. Last year it was an engine, the year before that engine woes as well, and before that it was due to a lack of investment and drivers.
 
Are Williams still launching tonight? We've seen photos of the car, but as far as I know, there was a full launch planned. It would be nice to see the car for real.
 
prisonermonkeys
Are Williams still launching tonight? We've seen photos of the car, but as far as I know, there was a full launch planned. It would be nice to see the car for real.
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Quite hard to see, but is there a connection between the fin and the rear wing?

Edit: Don't worry it's just the DRS piece
 
Whose bright idea was it to photograph the car in low light for the launch?

The rear-facing slot in the nose just behind the number is probably the most interesting part, but we already knew that was there from last Friday. But there's also a strange bit of bodywork at the bottom of the shark fin, and the space under the airbox and above the driver seems unusually deep.
 
prisonermonkeys
Whose bright idea was it to photograph the car in low light for the launch?

The rear-facing slot in the nose just behind the number is probably the most interesting part, but we already knew that was there from last Friday. But there's also a strange bit of bodywork at the bottom of the shark fin, and the space under the airbox and above the driver seems unusually deep.
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I mean what's worse is they put it with three of their well known championship cars as if to say something. Just cause you hired Lowe doesn't mean instant WCC. I see the darkened room and the echoes to the past, but it doesn't mean the new car has to be given the same treatment.

This image is slightly better, and more what I'd have expected from the set which isn't great, here it's still has the other cars in a shadowed lighting, with the new car more illuminated.
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And this is the best picture to me.
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And the render for a reminder of what it originally was.
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LMSCorvetteGT2
I mean what's worse is they put it with three of their well known championship cars as if to say something. Just cause you hired Lowe doesn't mean instant WCC.
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Maybe I'm just being naïve when I should be cynical, but I don't think Williams are trying to insinuate anything. Last year's car was the FW38, but this car is the FW40. The name was chosen because 2017 is the team's fortieth year in the sport, and they're probably second only to Ferrari as the team that values their own heritage the most, so I don't think it's any coincidence that they're celebrating that milestone by placing the FW40 alongside the three most recent championship winners.
 
prisonermonkeys
Maybe I'm just being naïve when I should be cynical, but I don't think Williams are trying to insinuate anything. Last year's car was the FW38, but this car is the FW40. The name was chosen because 2017 is the team's fortieth year in the sport, and they're probably second only to Ferrari as the team that values their own heritage the most, so I don't think it's any coincidence that they're celebrating that milestone by placing the FW40 alongside the three most recent championship winners.
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We all know why the name is what it is, that's obvious. I wouldn't say they're second to Ferrari, McLaren value their heritage quite a bit. I do think you can celebrate your history without doing what they did here, it's a bad take and sets the bar quite high even if not outright saying to those who worked on the car. If Williams want to win a WCC again, they actually need to find a manufacture willing to join F1 and build engines for them.
 
There's some really nice elements to all of the cars revealed so far. However, I feel that Mercedes has just nailed it. As is without the shark fin design of the others, it's perfect.

Fingers crossed for Redbull to reveal something just as stunning as the Mercedes.
 
prisonermonkeys
One of the unusual properties of the red wavelengths of light - and to a lesser extent, orange wavelengths - is that it does not photograph particularly well; it appears to be much more pale when photographed. If you've ever seen a Ferrari in the flesh, it's surprising how dark the red colour is - it's almost blood red. Ferrari do it deliberately so that the proper rosso corsa colour appears on television.

When McLaren launched, they did so in the studio, which meant that they had a lot of control over the lighting balance, and so they could offset the effects of photography and hence the orange looked quite dark. When the car is out on the circuit, it will most likely look a lot softer and more consistent with the orange-yellow that McLaren officially call "traffic cone yellow".
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Those of you who are interested in MotoGP have probably experienced the same phenomenon. On TV and in photographs the Ducatis look red but in real life they're this weird almost fluorescent red/pink color which makes for quite interesting effects depending on how and where the pictures have been taken. KTM uses this phenomenon in the marketing of their Super Duke as well. I'd imagine the same type of effects will be seen on some of this year's liveries.

About McLaren's livery I don't think it looks too bad. Is it the best livery ever? No, but it's a solid color combination and it has potential in the long term. It's important with brand recognition and if McLaren can tie it's road-going division together with its F1 division it will benefit the company. One way of doing this is by using the same color combination, hence why orange is a solid choice. Orange itself is rarely a good color to use as a "base layer" though (partly because short term sponsoring deals will be harder to pull of) and that's why black and white should be included. Of course you can argue whether to mostly use black or white but I'd like to think that McLaren have good reasons for choosing one of them over the other.

In the end I'm just happy there are two less cars with grey/silver liveries since it makes the grid seem more diverse than it actually is design wise.
 
I think the white stripes kill it a bit. Instead of thinking about how good the orange will look on the track and outside of the studio, the white seperating the black and orange just screams Marussia. McLaren aren't shy to change their livery mid season though, as they did in 2015 so let's wait and see.
 
sems4arsenal
I may not know much about Aerodynamics, but it seems Williams has spared every expense.
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Their front wing looks that way, but their barge boards and side pods are much less complex than Mercedes and Ferrari. Can't wait to see the Red Bull.

prisonermonkeys
Maybe I'm just being naïve when I should be cynical, but I don't think Williams are trying to insinuate anything. Last year's car was the FW38, but this car is the FW40. The name was chosen because 2017 is the team's fortieth year in the sport, and they're probably second only to Ferrari as the team that values their own heritage the most, so I don't think it's any coincidence that they're celebrating that milestone by placing the FW40 alongside the three most recent championship winners.
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I visited Williams last year in June, and I have to agree with you. They have an amazing heritage collection that they are happy to show off to visitors. There's a car from every single year of their existence, and they have a fellow take you on a 90 minute tour to talk about them. Then they feed you lunch!







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They even have some cars that never saw a race!


 
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sems4arsenal
@EDK even their front wing doesn't seem radical, what have they been doing all summer aside from selling Bottas?
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Ah, I misinterpreted your post, I thought you were saying the opposite.

Outside of the wings and sharkfin, it actually looks like last year's car on a larger floor. :lol:
 
EDK
Ah, I misinterpreted your post, I thought you were saying the opposite.

Outside of the wings and sharkfin, it actually looks like last year's car on a larger floor. :lol:
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Thought so :lol:

Hope after testing they come up with something better but man I feel they're going to be in trouble.
 
The new Williams is definitely the most conservative looking so far as @EDK said, it does look somewhat like a cosmetically modified 2016 car. I'd say the Williams is on par with the Merc for me imo.

One thing I do like though is how the the iconic Martini stripes flow onto the shark-fin.
 

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