AshenGraey
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That was GT-Sport algorithm penalty!! 
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I'm pretty sure what he said was that if Lewis had backed off a tiny bit and stayed to the left he could have driven right past Vettel when Vettel's momentum carried him to the wall and killed his exit speed. Possibly true but it would've been a very difficult decision to make in that instant.
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Yes I do, it's an absolute nightmare but Vettel made the mistake which caused him to have to run over the gravel and paid the consequences. Or should he get a free pass for making a mistake?
Anyway Xbox briefing time, laters!
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Seems like at the end of the day, that mistake costs him the position regardless. He’s penalized this way, or he backs off and enters more safely losing it.
Props to both Vettel and Lewis both staying respectful with each other. Lewis acknowledges it’s not the way he wanted to win and Vettel not wanting Lewis blamed.
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Actually pretty glad that Vettel called out the crowd for booing at Lewis. It wasn't his fault Seb got penalized, and Lewis did drive a damn good race.
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Ah. But I think if Lewis has backed off, and looked towards the inside, Vettel still retains position with his momentum and Lewis losing his.
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Pretty good job by both drivers in the podium interviews not making an awkward situation worse.
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The way I see it... Vettel made a mistake and wasn't (as far as we know) in control of where his car ended up. No penalty for that if you make the mistake on your own with no one around you.
The penalty comes from impeding a driver on his return - the sensible thing was to let Hamilton past at that point and then have another go at overtaking him. You can't maintain an advantage going off track and definitely not with an unsafe (even if uncontrolled) return to the track.
The penalty comes from impeding a driver on his return - the sensible thing was to let Hamilton past at that point and then have another go at overtaking him. You can't maintain an advantage going off track and definitely not with an unsafe (even if uncontrolled) return to the track.
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Well, considering he's human. Humans make mistakes, some even more so under pressure. If you can undoubtably proof that he had regained full control of his vehicle prior to blocking Hamilton, then I think a penalty is justified, in the case if he hadn't I think it shouldt've been penalized.
But in this case, I think it's still a matter of the stewards making irrational decisons, or rather.... inconsistent decisions. When you have someone braking too late and entering the track "unsafely" in Canada, he's being penalized, when you miss the braking point in France, you won't (just as an example). I think, if the stewards would make consistent decision for or against such incidents, we wouldn't have this discussion right now.
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How could you leave out KMag being told off by Gunther?
Not top ten. Doesn't matter.
But it was the funniest thing on the radio this weekend!But seriously, not KMag's weekend. At all.
I feel more sorry for Lando Norris. Didn't deserve that after a fantastic job in qualifying.
He wasn't rejoining. He was already on track and deliberately squeezing to make Ricciardo back off. Something the FIA always lets the drivers get away with.
The last time they penalized someone leading a race for an unsafe rejoining impeding the second place driver, they penalized...
Lewis.
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I always try to have faith on Vettel but oh my god did he screwed that up. He simply can't drive while being pressured and it's not like this has happened for the first time. If he simply kept it calm for all the race this whole mess would have been avoided.
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Even if Vettel was not in full control of his car, looking at the replay, I'm thinking just lifting off or not fully closing up that gap that Lewis was going to take, he would NOT have gotten that penalty! Because the reality is that at the end of the day, he made another mistake and seeing how it was Lewis on his tail, he would have lost the position if it wasn't for how he got back on the track.
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Im sorry but I disagree that these are that vastly different of situations like you say.
Hamilton went off due to a mistake of his. He then squeezed the other driver in order to not lose his position.
You could likely argue that, if anything, Hamilton had even MORE control than Vettel at that point, and that the move was even more deliberate and dirty and should have warranted a penalty as well.
At least Vettel ended up over there because that’s naturally where the car was always going to go. I genuinely don’t know what people expected him to do.
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A lot of professional drivers and racing experts are criticizing this thru social media. No one agrees with that call except Hamilton fanboys.
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It's two actions.
Hamilton went off on the left turn into the chicane, then rejoined. Ricciardo was on his left.
Hamilton turns right.
Hamilton still isn't fully on-throttle, so Ricciardo jinks from left to right and attempts a move on the outside.
They both turn left, but as this is now a corner exit, Hamilton knows the stewards will let him squeeze onto the racing line to force Ricciardo to back off (this is the one consistent squeezing motion the stewards let drivers get away with). This is two corners after Hamilton rejoins the track, so it can't be construed an unsafe rejoining in any way.
Nothing like this. Vettel goes off, rejoins right in front of Hamilton and spears irght across the track rather than establishing control first. (not that he could. Looks like there was no grip off the racing line)
The example you showed of Verstappen versus Kimi is the one that is exactly like Vettel vs. Hamilton.
And in that case, Max did deserve a penalty.
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Bold statement. Got any proof of that?
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Yep, so that covers every single person in the world who has an opinion on this, gotcha!
Nothing but hyperbole and mountains of salt.
MS killing at E3!
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I know I saw a tweet by Nigel Mansell defending Vettel. As with (I think) Max Chilton, but I could be wrong. SkySports also had Karun defending Vettel as well.
