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  1. Liquid

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    PREMIER LEAGUE

    Current Champions: Liverpool

    Competing In Europe
    Champions League:
    Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Chelsea
    Europa League: Leicester City, Tottenham Hotspur, Arsenal

    New Teams
    Came Up:
    Leeds United, West Bromwich Albion, Fulham

    Arsenal
    Aston Villa
    Brighton & Hove Albion
    Burnley
    Chelsea
    Crystal Palace
    Everton
    Fulham
    Leeds United
    Leicester City
    Liverpool
    Manchester City
    Manchester United
    Newcastle United
    Sheffield United
    Southampton
    Tottenham Hotspur
    West Bromwich Albion
    West Ham United
    Wolverhampton Wanderers

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    CHAMPIONSHIP

    Current Champions: Leeds United

    New Teams
    Came Down:
    Bournemouth, Watford, Norwich City
    Came Up: Coventry City, Rotherham United, Wycombe Wanderers

    Barnsley
    Bournemouth
    Blackburn Rovers
    Birmingham City
    Brentford
    Bristol City
    Cardiff City
    Coventry City
    Derby County
    Huddersfield Town
    Luton Town
    Middlesbrough
    Millwall
    Norwich City
    Nottingham Forest
    Preston North End
    Queen's Park Rangers
    Reading
    Rotherham United
    Sheffield Wednesday
    Stoke City
    Swansea City
    Watford
    Wycombe Wanderers

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    LEAGUE ONE

    Current Champions: Coventry City

    New Teams
    Came Down:
    Charlton Athletic, Wigan Athletic, Hull City
    Came Up: Swindon Town, Crewe Alexandra, Plymouth Argyle, Northampton Town

    Accrington Stanley
    Blackpool
    Bristol Rovers
    Burton Albion
    Charlton Athletic
    Crewe Alexandra
    Doncaster Rovers
    Fleetwood Town
    Gillingham
    Hull City
    Ipswich Town
    Lincoln City
    Milton Keynes Dons
    Northampton Town
    Oxford United
    Peterborough United
    Plymouth Argyle
    Portsmouth
    Rochdale
    Shrewsbury Town
    Sunderland
    Wigan Athletic
    Wimbledon

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    LEAGUE TWO

    Current Champions: Swindon Town

    New Teams
    Came Down:
    Tranmere Rovers, Southend United, Bolton Wanderers
    Came Up: Barrow, Harrogate Town

    Barrow
    Bolton Wanderers
    Bradford City
    Cambridge United
    Carlisle United
    Cheltenham Town
    Colchester United
    Crawley Town
    Exeter City
    Forest Green Rovers
    Grimsby Town
    Harrogate Town
    Leyton Orient
    Mansfield Town
    Morcambe
    Newport County
    Oldham Athletic
    Port Vale
    Salford City
    Scunthorpe United
    Southend United
    Stevenage
    Tranmere Rovers
    Walsall
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    ENGLISH SUPER CUP

    Current Holders: Manchester City

    2020/21 WINNERS: ARSENAL

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    FA CUP

    Current Holders: Arsenal

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    FOOTBALL LEAGUE CUP

    Current Holders: Manchester City

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    FOOTBALL LEAGUE TROPHY

    Current Holders: TBC​
     
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    Manager watch is gone. Just can't be faffed with it any more.
     
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    Season starts on September 12th which is only a months time!

    Fixtures are announced next week.
     
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    What's the "English Super Cup"? :confused:
     
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    Charity Shield, Community Shield. Whatever the FA is calling it this week to stay ahead of the law.

    A super cup, like in other countries that have domestic super cups, is the winner of one competition versus the winner of another competition, i.e. the league champions versus the cup winner.
     
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    According to Wikipedia, the game has had a few names, The Sheriff of London Charity Shield (1898-1907), The Football Association Charity Shield 1908-2001) and The Community Shield (2002-present). It has been played with varying teams over the years, starting with between the best amateur and best professional clubs in England, and has been played with various teams over the years, for one year it was an England World Cup XI v a FA Canadian Touring XI, so not just the English top league winners versus the FA Cup winners, though that is now the format for a number of years. Though there was even speculation of either, or both of Liverpool and Arsenal may not contest this year's Community Shield.

    It has never been called the "English Super Cup", and could confuse non aficionado's of English football.

    To say "Whatever the FA is calling it this week to stay ahead of the law" makes it sound as if the game has been changing names many times, and again, I think misrepresents the number of times the name of the game has been changed over the whole of its history, three times, since 1898.
     
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    It's a super cup. And listed as such. It doesn't literally have to be called a super cup to be one. Ireland's super cup is called the President's Cup; Norway's super cup is called the Master Finals; the Netherlands' super cup is called the Johan Cruijff Shield; France's super cup is called the Trophy Of Champions. They're still super cup competitions.

    If you were to call the Coppa Titano the "San Marino FA Cup", you'd still be pretty much correct even though it's actually called the Titans Cup.



    It's not an attempt at misrepresentation; in 2002 the FA changed the official name of the competition from Charity Shield to Community Shield, even though most people likely still call it the Charity Shield nearly 20 years later, because the FA no longer qualified for charity status and dubious financial malpractice with regards to ticket sales for the game and alleged match revenue donations. Hence the facetious remark of staying ahead of the law. But Community Shield still sounds benevolent and nicey nicey for the marketing department.

    I mean, to be honest it's a glorified friendly anyway. Although it is paradoxically held in greater esteem by journos and outlets on the continent than those actually in England.
     
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    It may be (currently) a 'super cup' type game, i.e. a game between the a domestic league winner and a domestic cup competition winner, but as you point out, these games may have a specific name, which in this case is The Community Shield, and to call it something else when it is not known as that by virtually anyone of that country, could confuse, which is why I highlighted it. You may continue to refer to that game as the 'English Super Cup', but unless you also mention The Community Shield, then there is a potential to confuse. :confused:

    I know why the English FA changed the name from The Charity Shield to The Community Shield, but to say that "Whatever the FA is calling it this week to stay ahead of the law" implies that they are changing the name often, taking your statement at face value, maybe as often as weekly, though obviously not what you meant, ;) when the reality is, as pointed out, the name of the game has changed three times in the last 122 years, and last changed 18 years ago.

    It seems to be important when someone wants inflate the success of a/their club. :rolleyes: As a Liverpool fan it is not a 'trophy' I consider mentioning as an achievement, as one participant has had to come out best over 38 games (in England) to win a league, and the other may only had to have won 6 games to win a cup. Though maybe a participant may not even have had to win anything to be in the game. :rolleyes: See below. ;)

    As you say, it is a friendly to start a season. Did I feel a great loss or sadness when Liverpool lost last season's Community Shield to Manchester Cit€h! Nope. I can't even remember the game. And without looking, I could not tell you how many Charity/Community Shield's Liverpool have won or lost over the years, and when and who they played. I think I may even have went to one, :eek: but it does not readily come to mind. I think Liverpool may have played Arsenal, but I wouldn't put any money on that. :lol:

    The only significance is that in the current format, you would normally have had to have won something to be in the game, though not always, as last year's game proved, when, because Manchester Cit€h did the double, and won the English Premier League and the FA Cup, the Premier League runners up, Liverpool, were invited to participate. I think it should normally the League Cup winners in a 'double' (Premier League and FA Cup double) as that is another domestic trophy winner, but I understand the politics of why that would not be the choice of alternate opponent for 'double' winners. But because actually Cit€h did the domestic treble of Premier League, FA Cup and League Cup, :bowdown: Liverpool were invited as runners up in the Premier League.

    I feel the European Super Cup is more worthy of the title of 'Super Cup', as both participants have had to win competitions that included a mini league portion, and knock out stages. Though the actual numbers of games may vary between the Champions League winners and the Europa League winners, the disparity in the number of games needed to complete, and win their competitions, compared to English Premier League winners and FA Cup winners mentioned above, would not be anywhere near as great. And of course, there is no chance of one team winning both competitions in the same year. ;) :lol:
     
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    Joe Hart is having a medical at Tottenham ahead of a free transfer move, he was released by Burnley and will provide cover or even competition to Hugo Lloris.

    Vincent Kompany has retired from playing but is still in charge of Anderlecht, he was player manager last season. Man city have confirmed they will build statues of Kompany and David Silva at the Etihad by 2021.

    Its been wildly reported that Ronald Koeman will be the next Barcelona manager and that he will leave his role as Netherlands head coach.
     
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    Wednesday, the EFL, and the independent panel all having a pop at each other again today.

    Wednesday say the penalty should, by the EFL's own rules, be applied to the 2018-19 season as the season following the one in which the offence (which it still denies) took place (which would make it irrelevant; we were 24pt clear). EFL say it should be the 2019-20 season (which would relegate us). The panel say if the EFL hadn't wasted time with the second charge (acting with malice), and hadn't been so equally lazy with a charge against Derby, and because of a number of players leaving on June 30 and being unavailable for the final few games unfairly weakening the squad, it will apply next season.

    It's all so stupid - and Wigan still shouldn't be relegated because the EFL failed in its duty to investigate the suitability of a man who doesn't even exist to be a club owner.
     
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    I watched the BT Sport coverage of the Man Cit€h v Lyon game, where Joe Hart was in the studio, and he has the longest neck I have seen outside of someone from an African tribe who have placed a load of rings around their necks to elongate it. :eek: :lol:
     
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    I remember saying the same thing back when I first started watching football during the 2015/16 season. "Wow that dude has a long neck" :lol::lol::lol:
     
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    It seems all but confirmed, they will probably announce it later this week.
     
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    I hope he does a better job than he did at Everton. ;) :lol:

    Barcelona is going to be a big job, with lots of money to be spent (hopefully spent well ;)) and if Messi moves, even more money on top of that to replace so many goals each season.
     
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    Yeah, you must have lost loads of sleep when he was in charge there :lol:.
     
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    Took me lots of time to recover. :(







    From the laughing. :lol:

    Seriously though, there is an Everton fan in work, they get everywhere, ;) and because Everton had spent a load of money for Koeman's 2nd season (about £150m), he got a bit carried away and bet me that Everton were going to win the league with Liverpool in 2nd. :eek: I said, woah! how about Everton finishing above Liverpool or vice versa? He agreed. So, Koeman doesn't last the season, Liverpool finish 4th and Everton 8th, and he wouldn't pay me (£5) :( but it was worth it just for his disappointment after spending all that money, losing a manager, and finishing behind Liverpool again. :lol:
     
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    Premier League fixtures will be announced at 9am tomorrow.
     
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    Man United and Man City wont take part in the opening weekend games because of their European campaigns, Burnley v Man United and Man City v Aston Villa are postponed and will be played later in the season, biggest game of the opening weekend is champions Liverpool beginning their title defense at home to Leeds.

    Sheffield United have signed goalkeeper Aaron Ramsdale from Bournemouth for £18.5 million, Man United keeper Dean Henderson will not rejoin United on loan for a third season and instead is expected to remain at Man United this season and will likely sign a new contract.
     
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    The Liverpool v Leeds game will be a hard one to start the season, as you would think Bielsa would have Leeds organised and ready to start with all the time to prepare for one game. If Liverpool can get through the first couple of games with wins, and some teams not playing, could give a confidence boost at the start to get a lead over Cit€h especially.

    I hope Henderson's career doesn't tail off stuck behind de Gea. I'm not sure Solskjaer would put Henderson in for an extended period now, though I could see him being used to possibly put 'pressure' on de Gea occasionally depending of de Gea form, and maybe being used in the cup competitions. Henderson may have been on the verge of being considered for England, and he may still be involved in the internationals at the start of the season, but if he is not getting games for Utd further down the line, he may not be considered for internationals.

    As an outsider, I think atm, Henderson is better than de Gea, who seems to have dropped from his very high level over the last year or so. It will be interesting to watch how it plays out. For Sheffield United, it will also be interesting to see how being without Henderson will affect their defence, as they were pretty good as a unit last season.
     
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    Connah's Quay lost in their first ever Champions League qualifier; a spirited 0-2 defeat against Sarajevo. No complaints about the result against a stronger team but the Sarajevo players committed some of the worst acting I've ever seen. It got so bad that the referee actually started ignoring Sarajevo players heaped on the ground which is actually a dangerous thing to do; a potential dereliction of duty on the referee's part but when players consistently, continuously and carelessly keep pretending to be injured, what are you supposed to do?

    At least there's one more bite of the cherry with CLQ losers dropping into the ELQs for one round. Hopefully the Nomads draw a Slovak team that advances from the first round.
     
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    Stretcher them off if they stay on the ground for longer than 5 seconds and refuse to let them back on the pitch for at least a minute. Players will very quickly stop Neymar-ing if there's some real action done to combat it which takes away the "tactical advantage" of pretending to be injured after a "foul"
     
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    Next year with the 3rd tier Competiton in place do teams that qualify for the Europa league just go straight to the Group stage?

    The amount of teams that can actually qualify directly into the Europa league is significantly lower with champions league qualifiers dropping to the 3rd tier if they lose that stage.
     
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    I'm still undecided on the tertiary competition. On the one hand, it gives smaller clubs, very small clubs, a better chance at having an enjoyable European campaign. On the other hand, it's just another door slammed shut so the big boys can have their closed shop competition. How dare Dudelange, Connah's Quay or Flora Tallinn have the temerity to try and qualify for our competitions? Stick to your own level.

    It comes across like UEFA obviously don't want small teams in their precious Super Champions and Europa Leagues but they have to maintain the pretense of offering them continental football because simply excluding nations outright would be too obvious.
     
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    Man United captain Harry Maguire was arrested on the Greek island of Mykonos in the early hours of the morning, he was with a group of friends and it is said that they got in an altercation with another group and the Greek police.

    United have said that they have been in contact with him and they haven't commented further.
     
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    Top leagues get far too many teams in the competitions, even with the proposed 3rd tier the top leagues still get a team in it as well, so it is still very easily possible for a league to win all 3 in the same year.

    Last year literally had 4 teams from the top 4 leagues start at the group stage while the 11th nation on the coefficient and lower had to qualify, a total joke of a system considering you still have clubs at that level that can still make the knockouts.

    I think with a 3rd tier in place the lower leagues Champions should atleast make the Group stage if they get past the prelim quals and lose because for the vast majority of clubs outside the very top leagues, playing in Europe is the primary income and by having more leagues represented you can build the game depth significantly.

    I'm also not a fan of the 3rd tier champion not even getting a Champions league spot and only getting a Europa spot.
     
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    I am old enough to remember when there was the European Cup, the UEFA Cup, and the Cup Winner's Cup. So coming from that background I think 'The Champion's League' should be just that, a league for Champion's as the European Cup was. Maybe also national cup winners, (like the FA Cup is in England) at a pinch, because they have won a competition too, and there is no longer a Cup Winner's Cup. It also would increase numbers to actually create a decent number of leagues.

    In that format my team, Liverpool, would not have been able to have won 2 of their 6 ;) Champion's League/European Cups, but I would be happy with that if the competition was set up in a more fair, and descriptive format.

    The Europa League should be teams that finish 2nd, 3rd and maybe 4th (depending on the numbers) in national leagues. The winners would get a place in the following season's Champion's League. The Europa League shouldn't be another competition for teams that get knocked out if the Champion's League at the early stages.

    The UEFA Cup was biased towards the more successful nations, with those nations getting more places, and with the threat of breakaway leagues the teams gained more power in the relationship with UEFA, and so three competitions became two, and the 'Champion's' League and Europa League were born. And because of the change in the balance of power between (top) teams and UEFA we are at the situation we are now. You don't have to be a Champion to be in the 'Champion's' League, and do badly in that and you have a chance of going into another competition when you get dumped out of it. :rolleyes:

    And I think the current situation has more to do with the larger teams/nations not wanting the smaller teams in a competition at the expense of themselves, rather than coming from UEFA. But it has to said, UEFA are not stupid, and selling the rights to competitions with pretty much guaranteed large teams (popularity wise), from bigger footballing nations, (ratings) will mean more money. Things will not change to more 'egalitarian' competitions when the top teams have so much influence. It would be like turkeys voting for Christmas, :eek: not really in their best interest. :rolleyes:
     
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    Harry Maguire has been found GUILTY of aggravated assault, resisting arrest and bribing a Police officer.

    I'm quite staggered by this there is a lot of differing reports as to what happened but I think his sister was attacked or had her drink spiked and Harry and a bunch of his friends intervened, there was a scuffle and the Police were called, the bribing an officer thing came out today the prosecution claimed he said to an officer 'do you know how I am, I'm Man United captain, I'm very rich and can offer you money'.

    He has actually been named in the England squad today as well!
     
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    It's been a very fast case, too fast perhaps.

    Apparnetly his defense only recieved documents form the prosecution relating to the case a few hours before but the judge wouldn't grant a delay.

    I'm not saying he didn't do it, but where is the CCTV footage etc. it happened at a police station, so how is none of the fighting on camera?

    His defense was that on arrival at the station the police officers assaulted him and told him his career would be over.

    I would think t's probably unwise to accuse the police of that without evidence, even if it's true. Without evidence I cannot see you winning that one.

    A very unusal case and one that will likely result in a big fine for Maguire and possibly a suspended sentence. I would imagine he will lose the captaincy at United and maybe after this verdict he will be dropped from the England squad.

    I never had Harry down as an agreesive person, but then it's not like I know him, I've just judged that based on what he seems to be like in interviews and on the pitch.

    The question is, if he loses the captains armband (which I think he should following the guilty verdict), who should get it next?