2025/26 Premier League & General Football Discussion

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Wilfried Nancy has now lost 5 out of his first 7 games as Celtic manager - which included losing his first 4 games in a row.

Celtic are, remarkably, still only 3 points off the top of the table, but for once they are only second at the turn of the year, with Hearts now 3 points clear.

I won't be surprised if Nancy gets his marching orders - but I really hope he doesn't and that Hearts win the league!
 
Sky Sports reporting that Chelsea's Enzo Maresca is under increased pressure too after one win in the last seven, Chelsea are having an okay season but are currently in fifth 15 points behind leaders Arsenal.

The way things are going at Man United Ruben Amorim won't be far behind, we could only manage a draw at home to Wolves last night with another bad performance, we were missing key players but we should be beating the team who only had two points before last night no matter what team we put out, only three wins in our last ten and it was pretty soft run of games plus we played Everton, Bournemouth and Wolves at home in that run and not won any of them, Man City and Arsenal to come in the new year...
 
Yeah its seems to be a weird situation, Maresca left and wasn't sacked which means he was obviously unhappy. He did say a few weeks ago after the Everton game that he felt there was a lack of support from inside the club, suggesting that there had been a falling out between him and the owners. Apparently there was also something with the clubs medical team and they were a bit too strict in telling Maresca which players could play when they were coming back from injury.

He did win two trophies with them last season with the Club World Cup being the highlight but the form hasn't been great this season, as I mentioned they have only had three wins in the last 10.
 
Wilfried Nancy has now lost 5 out of his first 7 games as Celtic manager - which included losing his first 4 games in a row.

Celtic are, remarkably, still only 3 points off the top of the table, but for once they are only second at the turn of the year, with Hearts now 3 points clear.

I won't be surprised if Nancy gets his marching orders - but I really hope he doesn't and that Hearts win the league!
Looking like six from eight now. And Danny Rohl isn't exactly harming his reputation from first-season Wednesday.

Weird that Djeidi Gassama was... okay for us and I wasn't thrilled he left (for beans, to pay wages/tax bill) but seems to have been revelatory for Rangers even before his old manager arrived.
 
Taxi for Nancy.
Yikes.

With regards to Manchester United (again), this post I made in 2022 just remains evergreen.

Since then, United had the sixth reboot - with Ten Hag - who spent €238m in Summer 2022, €200m in Summer 2023, €214m in Summer 2024 and was fired in October. €852m for a League Cup and an FA Cup.

I don't think I'd call Amorim's stint a reboot, but Summer 2025's spending was €251m and he didn't even make it to the January window. With no trophies. Thus I repeat:

So far you've had a new manager who'll come in and stop the rot every 2.5 years, and a billion pounds (a literally billion actual pounds) spent in nine summers (just summers) on an average of four new players at a time. What you have to show for it is a Community Shield, an FA Cup, and a Europa League, and crushing embarrassment.

And you're doing the exact same thing again this summer - and you think this will work this time?

I mean, it really looks like United are broken from Woodward and up, but every time it's the manager and down that gets replaced.
The figures are now seven new full-time managers coming in to stop the rot at a rate of one every 1.7 years, two billion pounds spent in 13 summers on an average of four and a half new players at a time, and a trophy cabinet comprising one Europe League, two FA Cups, one League Cup, and one Community Shield (plus about four or five runners-up spots)... and the worst season in living memory for most fans into the bargain.

And they're going to do the exact same thing again again this summer, but it'll work this time, honest!

What happened to the talent conveyor belt that churned out the Class of 92? Why are City, Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Crystal Palace, and Southampton developing young, British talent at such a rate now that the only current Manchester United players in any of the current four Home Nations squads are Luke Shaw (Southampton), Harry the Donkey Maguire (Sheffield ******), and Scott MacTominay (actually Manchester United) - and what the hell happened to Marcus Rashford and Jadon Sancho?
This remains the case too. I don't think there's a single Manchester United player who's turned out for England in over a year - and only Dean Henderson and Marcus Rashford in the most recent squads came from the academy. Kobbie Mainoo in September 2024 I think is the most recent.

Wales have no current Manchester United players and didn't in 2025, Scotland have no current Manchester United players and didn't in 2025, Northern Ireland have no current Manchester United players and didn't in 2025 - and only Paddy McNair jumps out as an ex-Academy player.

No home nations caps for active Manchester United players in an entire calendar year, during a World Cup qualification window... Sack the manager!
 
Jason Wilcox and Omar Berrada at to blame this time.

Wilcox is our sporting director and Berrada is our CEO, together they were responsible for keeping Ten Hag beyond the summer of 2024, now Ten Hag did win the FA Cup and League Cup but they ended up sacking him in November 2024 anyway after a terrible start to last season despite backing him in the summer with money and signing, their first wrong decision was not sacking him in that summer.

This one is actually a bit of a whopper, we did have a director of Football in Dan Ashworth who the club spent a long time and a bit of money trying to get and he spent a bit of time on gardening leave whilst at previous club Newcastle, when appointing Ruben Amorim to replace Ten Hag Ashworth seemed to be the only one had reservations about him and his ability to utilize his favored 3412 system with the current squad. Those reservations were not listened to and Amorim was appointed anyway and Ashworth left soon after having only been in the job just a few months.

Its should be said that Amorim's time was a disaster, last season was our lowest Premier League finish ever, we lost to Spurs in the Europa League final (he should have been sacked then), we got knocked out by League Two Grimsby in the first round of this season League Cup (he should've been sacked then) and just a few weeks ago we lost to Everton at home in the league despite them having 10 men for much of the game (he should've been sacked then) recent form has been pretty terrible with 3 wins in 11 and one win in five despite quite a soft run of games, he did adapt his tactic against Newcastle a couple of weeks ago and we played four at the back and we won but then went straight back to his 3412 against bottom of the table Wolves and we could draw at home with them and it was pretty shocking performance.

I think his comments yesterday came from frustration at the fact that maybe we aren't making any signings in this window and I think he was promised that we were, from what I heard he had a meeting with Wilcox on Friday that didn't go well and Amorim's behavior has been negative since, but Amorim wasn't in a strong enough position to go on a rant like he did yesterday. Wilcox was Amorim's biggest supporter so there was definitely a breakdown there.

I've no idea what's happening now, I know Darren Fletcher is in charge for 1-2 games starting with Burnley on Wednesday and maybe against Brighton in the cup on the weekend. It seems that we will have an interim coach for the rest of the season and then a permanent manager in the summer, I have a few names who I think would be good for the role but I don't trust the people behind the scenes to make the right decision right now.
 
Yes, he had sporting director roles at Man City and Southampton...and now United.
 
Its should be said that Amorim's time was a disaster
I wasn't great, but I don't think it was the complete disaster it's being painted as either.

He oversaw a clear out of deadwood and high earner but under performance while at the same time INEOS were fixing Uniteds finances. Which are in a significantly healthier position now than when they came in.

I don't think he came in at a good time to revolutionise the style of play while everything else was going on. But our league position this season shows the improvement, we are right where we deserve to be IMO, especially when you compare the games we're dropping points in to those Villa did last season (they finished 6th).

Financially, we're now in a much stronger place, and if we secure European football next season, we'll have a healthy amount to spend in the summer which will hopefully help our next manager bring in the players he needs. But I think we'd have found things easier if we didn't change as much all at once and brought in a manager more suited to the players we had left after the clearout. What Amorim needed was almost an entirely new squad, both starting 11 and backup players. We were never going to do that in 2,3 even 4 windows.

So this comes down on the board, however, the board cannot be blamed for Amorim airing private issues publically, that was deliberate by Amorim and he either was forcing himself out, or making a risky power play for more control, which he wanted but never had. If it was the latter, he played the wrong hand, but either way, a manager airing these issues will not last long afterwards.

His spell was most certainly not great, whatever the reasons, but I didn't dislike the guy. He had to go, but it probably would have seemed less chaotic if he went after the Europa final loss or earlier in the season. I thought he could have worked with more time and with different circumstances, but the he had the hand he was dealt and that's life.

There was definitely a breakdown in his relationship with Wilcox and other people in the senior management team, results wise,, while there are some frustrating games we've dropped points in, if you asked me at the start of the season, 6th at the start of Jan and 1 win from 4th, I'd have been pleased with that as progress. The target this season from what I understand was always Europa League.

I just hope we don't start dropping down the table now we're going to change tactics again, and I still don't trust a lot of these players to deliver consistently, their heads drop easily, even in games where we score first, we look nervous after going ahead. Was that on Amorim? I'm not sure it was.

I think it's a mentality issue coupled with having a poor midifelder. But maybe if we go back to 4-3-3 and midfield 3 will be more secure and it might be the route Mainoo needs to get back going.
 
INEOS were fixing Uniteds finances.
The money spent paying off Erik ten Hag, paying compensation to hire Dan Ashworth then the money paid to dismiss him and the money spent to appoint Ruben Amorim and now to dismiss him undoes any notion of Manchester United's good business and financial prudency. How much money have these three men cost the club in comparison to the penny-pinching that's gone on behing the scenes to the tea ladies and ground staff?
 
Like with Ten Haag, there were clear an obvious times when Amorim should have been sacked, but they waited too long and then did it at an odd time, it's weird.

But still, we are 5 days into the year and already 3 massive clubs in the UK have sacked their managers seemingly out of nowhere (excluding Nancy, that one seemed inevitable) and with no real option out there ready to take over the job. With the comments both Maresca and Amorim made about their roles in the team, who is actually going to go in and improve the team? The options on the manager market aren't the best to be honest at the moment and the standout ones won't want to go into these clubs where they clearly won't have the control they want. Odd times for the two teams.


Manchester United Coach (not Manager, as the press release clearly stated) or Red Bull second seat. Name a more cursed position in modern sport?
 
Manchester United Coach (not Manager, as the press release clearly stated) or Red Bull second seat. Name a more cursed position in modern sport?
I'd throw the role of Watford Manager into the hat (only 2 people have lasted longer than 12 months under the Pozzo regime), at least with Man United you're getting a nice 7 figure payoff for your troubles...
 
The money spent paying off Erik ten Hag, paying compensation to hire Dan Ashworth then the money paid to dismiss him and the money spent to appoint Ruben Amorim and now to dismiss him undoes any notion of Manchester United's good business and financial prudency. How much money have these three men cost the club in comparison to the penny-pinching that's gone on behing the scenes to the tea ladies and ground staff?
I didn't say any of those were good business, obviously there has been some bad decisions, albeit some with hindsight and factoring in that Amorim effectively ended his own reign by airing his issues publicly. But if you look at our finances, we're significantly healthier now than we were before INEOS took over. Whether that bring success or not is a different matter, but they've turned the finances around.
 
Liam Rosenior has now been confirmed as Chelsea manager, he signs a 6 year contract (for some reason) taking him until 2032 (but it's Chelsea so not even half that realistically).

Strasbourg are pretty annoyed about it as they fall until the BlueCo ownership and didn't get much of a say in it.
 
Strasbourg have weirdly appointed Gary O'Neill as his replacement.

A six-year deal for Rosenior is pretty mental, still he'll get a big payout when his is sacked at Christmas.
 
No Chelsea manager has lasted 3 seasons since Jose Mourinho's first stint in charge. That seems to be becoming a norm for many clubs now though, which makes the length of contract offered a bit baffling.
 
West Brom sack Ryan Mason too:


Always wonder why clubs do this at this time of year. Aside from those whose managers don't recruit, you're looking at most of the transfer window wasted as you have to find a new manager, they have to come in, take a few training sessions and a match or two to work out what's needed and what's not, identify targets that haven't already been signed by others, and sign them.

Sack 'em in December.
 
Chelsea tried the long contract thing with Potter and it didn't work, I think he only lasted eight months.

Its been a mad start to the year with the manager sackings.
 
West Brom sack Ryan Mason too:


Always wonder why clubs do this at this time of year. Aside from those whose managers don't recruit, you're looking at most of the transfer window wasted as you have to find a new manager, they have to come in, take a few training sessions and a match or two to work out what's needed and what's not, identify targets that haven't already been signed by others, and sign them.

Sack 'em in December.
Main guess is they don't want the bad press of firing people that close to Christmas, as doing so around that time also tends to invite closer scrutiny most clubs likely don't want. Mid November is probably the latest they could get away with and not incur Santa's wrath, but I dunno if that's considered still too early to justify it or not.
 
The AFCON final is currently in the 22nd minute of injury time at the end of the 90 after two controversial decisions went in favour of hosts Morocco and Senegal left the pitch...

Edit: Lol, the 90+26th minute penalty was saved. Breathtaking arrogance to Panenka it, and absolutely punished in the deserved manner.

Edit: And Senegal take a 94th minute lead in Extra Time 🤣

Edit: Well, Brahim Diaz will not be a popular man in Morocco for... a while.
 
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I don't think I have seen so many players recording on their phones the moment of lifting the trophy.

Anyway, good that Michael Carrick is back. If he can keep his unbeaten run as manager there for remainder of season, they should offer him a 10-year contract! Good to see the end of the "suffering" era to start the new year. Can't remember last time such a strong performance, could be City were completely off it though.
 

1: 🤬
2: The key word in there is "fee". Millwall was sniffing in the summer when Bannan was out of contract and when Chansiri was in breach of contract anyway. By re-signing on a mince deal, Bannan's commanded a fee - although, while he's our best player by far, I can't imagine it's much for a 36-year old.
 
Main guess is they don't want the bad press of firing people that close to Christmas, as doing so around that time also tends to invite closer scrutiny most clubs likely don't want. Mid November is probably the latest they could get away with and not incur Santa's wrath, but I dunno if that's considered still too early to justify it or not.
I would imagine most managers sacked mid-season still get a substantial pay-off for the remaining time left on their contract. I doubt any of them get left destitute over the Christmas period.

I bet the club's board just don't want all the legal wranglings to sort through during the busy pre-Christmas - New Year season.
 
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