24 Hours of Nurburgring - Best Car?

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What AI cars do u wanna avoid?
How fast is the slowest leading AI car?
Wanna know what i have to pull off to win
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I'm not sure if you can get a grid of entirely GT cars which would be the easiest. I don't remember seeing one, but I was looking to get the most prototypes possible including the fastest one I could identify when I was running the race. I think I actually got it wrong as people seem to say the Joest R8s are the fastest, and I assumed the R8s were all the same so I ran against the Oreca Team Playstation one, with the Bentley being faster than that. I ran the race when tires didn't last very long.

So from my experience last September the cars to avoid would probably be in roughly this order(unless the longer-lasting tires shake things up completely):
Grey R8s
Bentley
Playstation R8
787B
C60 Hybride-Judd (does this car ever show up? I almost think it doesn't)
Other C60s (not sure if the GV5 shows up either, the Peugot does)
BMW V12 LMR (can't remember about this one either, probably about the same speed as the C60s if it is there)

The R10, GT-One and 905 all seemed to be roughly the same pace for me and a good bit slower than the others. The 905 is faster on track but stopped virtually every lap. I'm not sure about the others but I know you can get the 905 to be the only prototype. If the current tire wear rate allows the 905 to last as long as the other two it will surely be faster though. I almost think you can get a grid with no prototypes except an R10 but I can't be sure.

Hope this helps at least a little. Can't say much for lap times as I was racing the faster cars with accelerated tire wear and it will vary based on your tire life and your consistency. All I can say from my experience about it is that if you can run a hot lap in under 8 minutes you should be plenty fast enough to beat the Bentley and probably the R8s... if you can keep up that pace for 24 hours.
 
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Ok!
So, if I use the R35 TC (Hope im good enough, will try a couple of laps first), what Max speed should I set it too?
I'm using Praiano's tune (although I will max run at max power)
 
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Top speed is best set on the track. Run RS in the dry, do a lap and make your entry to the long straight as fast as possible. You want to be revving around/just over 90% of maximum revs in top gear as you reach your highest speed, this gives you a margin to use in the slipstream of another car. I usually close up the gear below top by around 25%, then the next one down by 50% and the next by 75% and then 100% (Of the available adjustment.) for the rest of the gears. I prefer a slightly higher bottom gear for better control in slow exits on the Norsdchliefe and Nurburg 24hr tracks.
 
byegad
Top speed is best set on the track. Run RS in the dry, do a lap and make your entry to the long straight as fast as possible. You want to be revving around/just over 90% of maximum revs in top gear as you reach your highest speed, this gives you a margin to use in the slipstream of another car. I usually close up the gear below top by around 25%, then the next one down by 50% and the next by 75% and then 100% (Of the available adjustment.) for the rest of the gears. I prefer a slightly higher bottom gear for better control in slow exits on the Norsdchliefe and Nurburg 24hr tracks.
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Ok thanks.
Well it was too hard with the r35.
Is the minolta race car way too overpowered?
 
I'm testing a few cars for this event.
8 minutes seems to be the time you need to hotlap Nurby24 in Dry conditions to have a chance - 6m20 on the Nordschliefe would sound reasonable then?
I'm testing the GT cars.
Vertigo/Esperante/Diablo and Storm cars.

The Big FR cars seem to be very stable indeed when you get out of shape (Lock up wheels) which Makes me favour them for an enduro as I am less inclined to stick the car into a ditch or a hedgerow (They've put Armco around the track now... oh.)

The Diablo maybe be more fun being an MR... Half the fun is picking the darn car!
 
I did it in the 88 jaguar that is dlc just drop ride height loosen suspension and strech the gears a little bit alot of fun to drive and provides a challenge me and my friend did the races at the same time and i really didnt even feel a sense of acomplishment the 24 hr races seem kinda pointless even the 9 hour was horrible i wouldnt even recommend doing the 4 hr indy 500 is as far as i would go if you are a trophy hunter then deffinatley get someone to take shifts with
 
I've just started the 24hr Nurbie in the R35 TC (fully maxed out) to test it out. Main rival is the Pug 908.
After 15 laps I'm 6.44mins ahead - conditions dry - fastest lap 7.45.573 on RM tires, no assists, ABS 0. Pit strategy - pit every 5 laps...only 2litres of fuel left and tires are into their final fifths of tread.

That's 2 hours of driving bliss. but no fight of any kind.:grumpy:

When I hit the barrier, I expect there to be damage - guess I've been on Arcade mode too much!!!!:dopey:

Edit: Now at lap 40. Nearly 2 laps ahead of the 908. I was gonna ditch the race, but I just hit that zone. Will try a stint on RH tires next. Still waiting for the rain!
 
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byegad
Sorry but i don't fully understand this.
I tuned the minolta befor taking it to the track.
Max speed was set at 425 (praiano tune ).
Max speed i reached was about 380 at which point it was at 8000 rpm.
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This race being the only one left I haven't done, I wanted to choose a car I was going to have to fight to win, much like the OP. I just started the race the other day now with the Audi R8 LMS Playstation, simply because that's a car that is really racing at the 24 hours of the Nürburgring. The car is not modified part-wise and tuned with a Praiano suspension setup.

- main opponents: Peugeot 905, Audi R10, Mclaren BMW F1 GTR.
- weather so far: 80% water on track in the beginning, increasing to 98%, then drying up after about an hour.
- fuel: the R8 LMS can do 7 laps (8 maybe, but you would risk running out)
- tyres: the first stint on inters I could do the full 7, in the dry I'm only comfortable with 6 with Racing Hard.
- main opponents seem to do 4 or 5 lap stints. (hard to judge just by keeping track of the gaps, because 2nd place car changes)
- on inters I was way quicker than the AI on wets (as expected - the R8 is also nice to drive in the rain), in the dry I'm doing about 8:20 without pushing too much, so AI can usually gain some time (5-10 sec) especially on the straight down from Döttinger Höhe as the R8 LMS is really not the fastest in straight line speed (about 290 km/h), but the AI loses again on account of shorter stints.
- pulled out a 4 minute lead on the first stint, but it has been coming down since to about 1:30 after about 4 hours.
- sky is blue now as it slowly gets darker. Hope I can keep up the speed in the dark, otherwise I will need some rain.

I'll keep you posted on progress.
 
Giulietta73
I've just started the 24hr Nurbie in the R35 TC (fully maxed out) to test it out. Main rival is the Pug 908.
After 15 laps I'm 6.44mins ahead - conditions dry - fastest lap 7.45.573 on RM tires, no assists, ABS 0. Pit strategy - pit every 5 laps...only 2litres of fuel left and tires are into their final fifths of tread.

That's 2 hours of driving bliss. but no fight of any kind.:grumpy:

When I hit the barrier, I expect there to be damage - guess I've been on Arcade mode too much!!!!:dopey:

Edit: Now at lap 40. Nearly 2 laps ahead of the 908. I was gonna ditch the race, but I just hit that zone. Will try a stint on RH tires next. Still waiting for the rain!
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Thanks for posting that. Was going to use the same car, but now decided on the GranTurismo Ford GT LM test car. The 787B was too much for the competition last year. Hopefully the the Ford GT will put up a fight.
 
DiersZee1
Thanks for posting that. Was going to use the same car, but now decided on the GranTurismo Ford GT LM test car. The 787B was too much for the competition last year. Hopefully the the Ford GT will put up a fight.
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Pleasure.:) Good luck with the Gt LM Test car - it's one hell of a handful with ABS 0 - snappy-tastic!👍
 
Giulietta73
Pleasure.:) Good luck with the Gt LM Test car - it's one hell of a handful with ABS 0 - snappy-tastic!👍
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Thanks, but I use ABS 1 :p...think it should be fine. Will have to see :eek: Would hate 24 hours to only come in 2nd place :ouch: ...
 
Giulietta73
:lol: Me too!
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an ET of 8:00minutes is too fast too :ouch:

I just restarted with no supercharger upgrade. Put me back down to PP644.

Audi R10, Mclaren BMW F1 GTR seem to be only ones that will be quick...no Pug on the line up.
 
Update: Night has fallen after 43 laps. It has been dry ever since after the first hour, best lap so far 8:15, average about 8:20.

Main rival turns out to be the R10, which has been catching up ever since the rain, and we're running interesting strategies. The R10 is doing 4 lap stints, I'm doing 6 laps, and every 12 laps we pit at the same time. So, in those 12 laps, I can lose about 40 seconds and keep up with him. (He has to do 3 slightly shorter stops compared to my 2 longer ones.) It's very hard though, because he gains about 5 seconds each lap just on the straight alone.

I'm thinking about trying with Racing Mediums in the night as a strategy change. If I can average the R10's speed with the softer tyre and go 5 laps, that should give me an advantage. If the tyres only last 4 laps, I'd still be running at the R10's pace.

I just luuuv the strategy in this.
 
snowgt
Update: Night has fallen after 43 laps. It has been dry ever since after the first hour, best lap so far 8:15, average about 8:20.

Main rival turns out to be the R10, which has been catching up ever since the rain, and we're running interesting strategies. The R10 is doing 4 lap stints, I'm doing 6 laps, and every 12 laps we pit at the same time. So, in those 12 laps, I can lose about 40 seconds and keep up with him. (He has to do 3 slightly shorter stops compared to my 2 longer ones.) It's very hard though, because he gains about 5 seconds each lap just on the straight alone.

I'm thinking about trying with Racing Mediums in the night as a strategy change. If I can average the R10's speed with the softer tyre and go 5 laps, that should give me an advantage. If the tyres only last 4 laps, I'd still be running at the R10's pace.

I just luuuv the strategy in this.
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Sounds like a good race:tup:
I'm on lap 65 in the R35 TC on RMs. and 3 laps up on the Pug. I keep meaning to switch to RHs but I'm determined to beat my daytime best time of 7.43.xx in the night.....still trying - best so far is 7.50.xx. Been completely dry so far - about 8.5hrs in...bring on the rain!:nervous:
 
I royally screwed up :(. Thought I save the gave onto the USB and just went into the account to send my daily trade. Logged back out and in and BAM! Lost 9 hours of work :ouch:!

Undecided if I should continue from hour 3 or just stop due to the maintance coming up next week :ouch:!

If you want a close race. Gran Tursimo Ford GT Test Car with only PP640 and on RM. AI of the Speed 8....:eek: 8:05 to 8:10 lap times with 5 lap stints. If any mistakes, he is within seconds of you. Could not put him a lap down or giant size lead. Quickest lap was 7:55, but to risky to keep pushing each and every lap for that ET.
 
^^Gutted for you. I was gonna suggest carrying on from hour 3 but I think I'd be more likely to quit until after the update - in fact I'm quitting mine because I know I won't get 16 more hours to finish before the update.

I might have to give the GT Test Car a go....👍
 
Giulietta73
^^Gutted for you. I was gonna suggest carrying on from hour 3 but I think I'd be more likely to quit until after the update - in fact I'm quitting mine because I know I won't get 16 more hours to finish before the update.

I might have to give the GT Test Car a go....👍
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:lol: been making lots of mistakes last week ... Me = :dunce:!!!

The Speed 8 is a really good match for it. Do not think I can ever find such a close race so I am at it again :D.

7:37 hours completed now. Gap is only 1:15 seconds on average...Some times I pull a gap and some times he closes the gap. Odd thing this time around, he stopped 1 full lap short :confused:. Just need to keep it on the road and sub 8:08 laps should increase the gaps some. Really hope I can at least put him a lap down before the end of the race. Need a comfort zone :p

* Edit. I first tried with the Supercharger upgrade and it was too quick and ate tyres like it was a buffet. Then tried it with it off and found the R10 goes up to 8 laps (I believe) prior to pitting. After 3 stints gave that up as timing wise, R10 would have me covered over the distant.
 
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I'm mid Nurby 24 in a odd race.
Used a Vertigo
It had rained for six and a half hours... but every resumed suspended race the AI drivers would slaughter my times. Then - it stopped raining and I had a frantic time moving to better tyres, And I now have a neat single lap lead in the darkness.

I've saved to a USB stick.

Could I start the game... cancel the race.. and send a prize ticket to someone...
Then quit out load my USB save... and then when I start GT5 again I will go to the suspended race?

Can't say if the Vertigo is too much or not as I've yet to see what my lot can manage... In the dark I can run 4 lap stints on Race Softs in 30% wet in the 8m00 - 8m10 area... In the wet I can make loads of time.

No ABS or TCS makes the car a real diva on track. Very high maintenence
 
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Ryk
I'm mid Nurby 24 in a odd race.
Used a Vertigo
It had rained for six and ahalf hours... but ever resumed suspended race the AI drivers would slaughter my times. Then - it stopped raining and had a frantic time moving to better tyres, And I now have a neat lap lead in the dark.

I've saved to a USB stick.

Could I start the game... cancel the race.. and send a prize ticket to someone...
Then quit out load my USB save... and then when I start GT5 again I will go to the suspended race?

Can't say if the Vertigo is too much or not as I've yet to see what my lot can manage... In the ddark I can run 4 lap stints on Race SSOfts in 30% wet in the 8m00 - 8m10 area... In the wet I can make loads of time.

No ABS or TCS makes the car a real diva on track. Very high maintenence
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I hate racing in the rain...Especially driving in it in real life!

Yes, you can suspend and Exit GT5. Save and log back in and push the O to cancel out to the main page.

Just dont do a me = :dunce: ... SAVE to USB drive before you go into the game and well before you push O. Or you will be back to what ever hour or minute you suspended at.

After you send, exit and just over write the game dataa with the previous save and you will go right back to racing.
 
Update after 13 hours: The R10 finally took the lead from me about 7 hours in, and there was something I had to change in order not to lose this race. I therefore changed to Racing Mediums, the only ace I had up my sleeve. Turned out that I can match the R10's speed in my R8 LMS, with the same 4 lap-stints he does. I was hoping for 5, but that's not possible for me. I'm slightly faster, if I don't make any bigger mistakes, and I get a healthy 5-10 second bonus at the pitstop, because the R8 LMS needs a lot less fuel.

Times are about 8 seconds faster per lap than on RH, with my best so far at 8:07. I managed to take back the lead and get a lead of about 2:30. I will stick to the RM's for the time being, and maybe change to RH when I feel the lead is big enough.

It's interesting how much you settle into a rhythm in the night, but I am longing for the dawn, which should come in an hour or so.
 
Now at 18 hours and 20 minutes. Sun is shining and I switched back to RH's and 6-lap stints when my lead got to 4 minutes. I've got the race pretty much under control. I'm losing slightly when on RH, but I pretty easily extend my lead when on RM.

Comparison of 12-laps on RM and RH:

RH: average about 8:20, 2 stops with 86 litres, approx. 1:07 each.
RM: average about 8:10, 3 stops with 58 litres, approx. 0:52 each.

You see that RM is about 1:30 faster during those 12 laps.
 
Closing message after finishing the race.

I managed to keep the gap at 4 minutes even with Racing Hards up to the end. The weather was fine throughout 23 hours of the race, which seems unusual judging from many race reports I've read. Fastest laps were 8:06 on RM's and 8:12 on RH's.

Feels like I picked the perfect car with the AI grid I raced with (Audi R10, Peugeot 905). It could be that with some other LMP cars, it would have not been enough by a fraction, but I could have pushed a little more over the course of the race as well.

I can only recommend the R8 LMS to everyone wanting a close race. I would say that you have a chance to win in the dry with everything that can go below 8:15 on RH's. If it rains, the race gets a lot easier to win though.
 
snowgt
Closing message after finishing the race.

I managed to keep the gap at 4 minutes even with Racing Hards up to the end. The weather was fine throughout 23 hours of the race, which seems unusual judging from many race reports I've read. Fastest laps were 8:06 on RM's and 8:12 on RH's.

Feels like I picked the perfect car with the AI grid I raced with (Audi R10, Peugeot 905). It could be that with some other LMP cars, it would have not been enough by a fraction, but I could have pushed a little more over the course of the race as well.

I can only recommend the R8 LMS to everyone wanting a close race. I would say that you have a chance to win in the dry with everything that can go below 8:15 on RH's. If it rains, the race gets a lot easier to win though.
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Nice one:tup: Might have to give the R8 LMS a go myself.:nervous:
 
145 - 08m59.0 - (L+450) - Out lap - fresh RH Tyres - 64 kg of fuel
146 - 08m02.2 - (L+455) - Hot lap
147 - 08m03.0 - (L+466) - Hot lap
148 - 08m14.4 - (L+473) - In Lap


I managed to pull 28 seconds out from the Audi R10 in this my final dry weather stint.

We were both running 4 lap stops
9m04 -
8m07 -
8m14 -
8m21

these were the Audi R10 TDi's laps - so it was running 8m14's normally then pitted for fuel and fresh tyres for a few seconds over 9 minutes.

I ran Race Hards which wore down on te final lap - I had to drive smooth to make the tyres last - and go fast - A high speed balancing act.

As usual I'd recomed a full set of tyres... then you can drop to Mediums or Softs to let you catch up. Maybe even turn the ABS or TCS on (Let you drive with a bit less care

If you are going too fast... you can limit yourself... maybe stretch the stints to 6 laps - maybe more. (Great practice to learn the smoothest way around the track. The line of least resistance.)

above all have fun.
 
Last race I have left to do (well, Vettel challenge Suzuka and Nürburgring are still silver).

I have work to do on weekdays so I most likely will do event with 2 hours stints daily.

I want to drive it with premium car from dashboard view. Car is balanced to drive both wet and dry and tyres wear quite evenly (hard rear/medium front).

To be honest, I want easy win from this because I would very much hate it to drive over 12 hours and notice I will be losing this battle till finishline.

Secondly, I have love n' hate relationship with this track. I know track well since driven it hundreds of laps with gt4 and gt5, but I feel comfortable with it up to semi fast sport cars. I have never liked driving it with Formula Gran Turismo or LM cars because track is so freaking bumpy and dangerous for them.

I used very balanced 787B succesfully for LeMans 24H, having done 372 laps till time was up. 16 hours of event, track was 100 wet. Without slipstreaming car get to 368 kph (228.7 mph) on first section of Mulsanne straight. Track surface was very smooth compared on Nürburgring one. I have frustrating experiences about losing control of car at 'Ring due hopping over high kerbs or taking bad angle and air at Quiddelbacher-Höhe. Highspeed chokes of grass at Kesselchen and Klostertal and even Tiergarten (map: http://wordlesstech.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/The-Green-Hell-Nurburgring-Infographic.jpg ) has taken manytimes my car in massive spin and hit on barrier.

So, if I will be using my 787B for this, have you advices how to tweak ride height and suspension stiffness for this and maintain good balance of car?
 

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