500PP Racing Car Super Lap: Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca
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- 4,820
- Kentucky
- barrett5
- BarrettMopar
Shooter being all clutch with getting the fastest time with 9 minutes to go... meh.
Getting a fastest time on the final possible lap is more like it!
I don't think my lap was otherworldly, like the aliens but I did shoot for the moon and made it. So I'm more than happy! 👍
Getting a fastest time on the final possible lap is more like it!
I don't think my lap was otherworldly, like the aliens but I did shoot for the moon and made it. So I'm more than happy! 👍
- 632
- R246
- gkgamer
L_shooter only has 17,400km on his ts030 or is it wrongly displayed on my system?
last time I stuck to the s2000 but this time I went for the ovals with the ts030.
I also did change the oil around 9,000 km on just to make sure I am really the moroniest person on gtp... check
last time I stuck to the s2000 but this time I went for the ovals with the ts030.
I also did change the oil around 9,000 km on just to make sure I am really the moroniest person on gtp... check
- 731
- London, United Kingdom
- BenMillard
Best recorded FF times:
1609 1:25.238 Citröen Xsara Rally Car '99 G-EFFECT_0201 (stick steering)
1645. 1:25.273 Citröen Xsara Rally Car '99 ZedMan1996 (wheel)
1902 1:25.493 Citröen Xsara Rally Car '99 BenMillard (stick steering)
Could I have found another quarter second? Nope! GG to these FF masters.
1609 1:25.238 Citröen Xsara Rally Car '99 G-EFFECT_0201 (stick steering)
1645. 1:25.273 Citröen Xsara Rally Car '99 ZedMan1996 (wheel)
1902 1:25.493 Citröen Xsara Rally Car '99 BenMillard (stick steering)
Could I have found another quarter second? Nope! GG to these FF masters.
- 5,364
- Ohio
Watch their replay and look at the odometer.
- 1,552
- Netherlands
- bernies123
The what?
- 5,364
- Ohio
The thing on the dashboard that counts kilometers. You know, like on a real car? Oh wait… 
- 1,552
- Netherlands
- bernies123
The thing on the dashboard that counts kilometers. You know, like on a real car? Oh wait…
What is a real car? I tought in this game you play only with future machines.
No serious, I never hear about a odommeter. here we call it km teller
- 5,364
- Ohio
We call em, the thing that counts miles. 
- 65
- Dordrecht
- JR_Lebowski
- 712
- montreal
- l_maxx_pain_l
too bad @o0Maxx0o it happened at the last day
Nothing bad last day, i improve my 1.19,519 ABS 1 to 1.19,410 No ABS, its kind of a good day!!
Only a cheater beat me, i dont know how to call him
- 180
- Canada
- hotsaucer
Great driving @o0Maxx0o , ABS 0 
. I tried that and spun 1st corner EVERY time. Best non-active steering driver and a double podium for Canada!
How is it that shooter has half the km on his car yet half a second up on @HansDampf ? His car has weirdly good handling and grip.. for example he's off the track in T6 but does the corner no problem, same thing in other corners. The rear of his car rotates perfectly and not a hint of sliding. Just odd if anything! If I do some of his racing lines (and I've tried) I immediately lose grip. Would like to hear from others on how the hell shooter does it??
. I tried that and spun 1st corner EVERY time. Best non-active steering driver and a double podium for Canada! How is it that shooter has half the km on his car yet half a second up on @HansDampf ? His car has weirdly good handling and grip.. for example he's off the track in T6 but does the corner no problem, same thing in other corners. The rear of his car rotates perfectly and not a hint of sliding. Just odd if anything! If I do some of his racing lines (and I've tried) I immediately lose grip. Would like to hear from others on how the hell shooter does it??
- 712
- montreal
- l_maxx_pain_l
Great driving @o0Maxx0o , ABS 0
How is it that shooter has half the km on his car yet half a second up on @HansDampf ? His car has weirdly good handling and grip.. for example he's off the track in T6 but does the corner no problem, same thing in other corners. The rear of his car rotates perfectly and not a hint of sliding. Just odd if anything! If I do some of his racing lines (and I've tried) I immediately lose grip. Would like to hear from others on how the hell shooter does it??
i report him on the gt6 web site as an cheater/hacker.
edit: i'm pissed off apologies if you have read before the editng lmao
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Same thing?
- 4,820
- Kentucky
- barrett5
- BarrettMopar
- 5,364
- Ohio
Yeah, Brazilian, Bruno I think. Then guys dissected his replay videos and found wider tires.
I think.
I think.
- 712
- montreal
- l_maxx_pain_l
If he's not guilty, nothing gonna happen?
Anyway they will do anything as long as not more to make complaints.
edit: Lol, its you, you are a magician, with 17 000km, i cant believe and understand how you can go fast like that, having this kind of grip, its like you got full downforce but without downforce....
- 43
- Berlin
- 632
- R246
- gkgamer
if it were me, I'd say that this is the very reason why I am faster than you...
unfortunately I am not L-shooter-RB26 and I am much slower than you.
Now, with that being said, shooter, even though I don't know him personally, is not coming from nowhere to win this one. He has a long history of very good results in the seasonals. He was already very competitive on gt5. I think he may already got a couple of wins in the past.
I tried to make my friends q---dock---p and mou-dame_da (both are ds3 users) to enter the event. That was unsuccessful but both mentioned how fast shooter is at Laguna Seca. I also know that he's in a japanese GT500 league with Wolf-Aono and some of our own aliens and he's been performing steadily through the season. The guys I know there are, in addition to be depressingly fast, all legit and I serously doubt they'd accept a "cheater" among their numbers.
But I guess it remains possible.
It's just that I think you should be a bit more careful and maybe gather some evidence before reporting and calling people names although I understand how frustrating it must be to see your mark beaten just before the event closes.
I' m sure the forum rules had a bit on that, didn't they?
cheers and congrats anyways
edit: his lap is suspiciously good, it sure looks like something is different, imma try and contact him.
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- 1,552
- Netherlands
- bernies123
I look the replay and yes I think it was a legal lap. This event was a change for no ''aliens'' to set good times... It almost happens but a real alien join in the last day and destroy dreams. Well **** happens 
No way that I'm finish in the top 25 when al the aliens driving a tt. Sometimes it happens(Monza,laguna) . But be not surprise if an alien think the last day: ''mmm i give it a shot'' and destroy it . When i can handle the trottle i was for sure in the top 10. So that says all. Normally they destroy me with a 1/2+ second. It was al about the battery here.
Anyway: Great laps from the non ''aliens'' that must be said.
No way that I'm finish in the top 25 when al the aliens driving a tt. Sometimes it happens(Monza,laguna) . But be not surprise if an alien think the last day: ''mmm i give it a shot'' and destroy it . When i can handle the trottle i was for sure in the top 10. So that says all. Normally they destroy me with a 1/2+ second. It was al about the battery here.
Anyway: Great laps from the non ''aliens'' that must be said.
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TRL_Andromeda
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- 946
- Tarragona
- TRL_Andromeda
Shooter has proven to be one of the selected few that can actually beat the almighty immortal. This was up for debate a few months ago when he stole pretty much every single record from immortal, right at the last minute. I took help from a good friend who looked through all of the replay data, wich showed where he gained the time and how. and it was all down to a very agressive setup coupled with active steering on. The code data for the car was correct, (engine, gearbox, chassis etc.) and there was no settings outside the limitations of the game, no grip multiplier, tyres was of correct code (width)... Nothing to suggest there was any cheating going on.
Shooter beat everyone else with 4 tenths here, Immortal beat everyone else with 6 tenths in the FXX. It's sad but sometimes you just have to accept that there are people that are just out of your leauge.
- 712
- montreal
- l_maxx_pain_l
I took help from a good friend who looked through all of the replay data, wich showed where he gained the time and how. and it was all down to a very agressive setup coupled with active steering on. The code data for the car was correct, (engine, gearbox, chassis etc.) and there was no settings outside the limitations of the game
Shooter beat everyone else with 4 tenths here, Immortal beat everyone else with 6 tenths in the FXX. It's sad but sometimes you just have to accept that there are people that are just out of your leauge.
Nice, this is what actualy i wanna read!
I'm only 3 tenths and half behind, so i'm an half of tenth faster than everyone COOL!!! lol, im kidding
I can do a 1.19,2xx but needing more time to ajust my driving, no abbit with this kind of cars, and TT event in general, its was only the second time i'm work on an event like that, maybe in couples events i'll be able to be close to him and people in top 10.
I wish to see him without AS and ABS what he's look like againts me to see if we are in the same league hahaa
I probably need to apologies, tell me if you talk to him.
- 731
- London, United Kingdom
- BenMillard
Active Steering can exploit extreme setups to make a driver much faster because it helps them 'surf' the limit of grip.
Active Steering doesn't add grip but it does adapt the steering angle when you are 'surfing' on a very slight slide. You can see this in Photo Mode during a replay. In GT6 this slight slide is the fastest way to corner. (Original GT's manual explains this well.)
Customising a setup to exploit this 'surfing' is what all the top TT setups seek to achieve. But the driver has to deliver the steering inputs, timing them with precise amounts of brake and gas. Only the 'platinum' drivers can perfect this. (TRL members for example.)
Active Steering is a performance boost because it adjusts the steering more precisely than almost any human can do it, when the car is sliding. Normal steering is calculated for all DS3 users when we push 100% left or right, so it's probably similar code to how that works. DS3 steering is not always the 'ideal' angle and it doesn't handle oversteer situations. Active Steering is probably not perfect but it does help driving in that difficult but very fast 'sweet spot' of oversteer.
Active Stability Management applies brakes on specific wheels to stop the car spinning around. That is slower because it stops the car 'surfing' the limit of grip and scrubs off speed. This is a legitimate newbie 'crutch' as it keeps people on the track without providing a performance boost to good drivers. Same story with Traction Control and (arguably) ABS. WRS allow these (along with many other groups) because they keep people on the track without giving an advantage to drivers who are already fast.
An aggressive setup that makes the car rotate a lot would be near impossible for a human to drive perfectly. Immortal at Ascari with FXX is a masterclass in what is possible. (Along with heavily worn and limited engine to reduce high rpm instability, probably other setup tricks as well!) Extreme setups with Active Steering enable a level of performance beyond an accomplished player, especially over a race distance, so it is normally banned in authentic race series.
I remember when SRF was sometimes available or even forced on in Seasonal Events. It is sometimes forced on in Quick Matches. Road cars at Indianpolise road course or Group C Le Mans at La Sarthe this year for example. Experienced players don't like this because it is so unnatural while making you faster than the standards physics. It has no place in 'the real driving simulator'.
Active Steering, when dialled into a specialist setup, is a big advantage and as unnatural as SRF. I wish it was banned from Seasonal Events!
Then again, DS3 drivers like me are not playing the game 'properly' if we decide Active Steering users are not playing the game 'properly'. So I would have to be banned from competing in these events as well because the game is doing most of the steering for me, too.
Active Steering doesn't add grip but it does adapt the steering angle when you are 'surfing' on a very slight slide. You can see this in Photo Mode during a replay. In GT6 this slight slide is the fastest way to corner. (Original GT's manual explains this well.)
Customising a setup to exploit this 'surfing' is what all the top TT setups seek to achieve. But the driver has to deliver the steering inputs, timing them with precise amounts of brake and gas. Only the 'platinum' drivers can perfect this. (TRL members for example.)
Active Steering is a performance boost because it adjusts the steering more precisely than almost any human can do it, when the car is sliding. Normal steering is calculated for all DS3 users when we push 100% left or right, so it's probably similar code to how that works. DS3 steering is not always the 'ideal' angle and it doesn't handle oversteer situations. Active Steering is probably not perfect but it does help driving in that difficult but very fast 'sweet spot' of oversteer.
Active Stability Management applies brakes on specific wheels to stop the car spinning around. That is slower because it stops the car 'surfing' the limit of grip and scrubs off speed. This is a legitimate newbie 'crutch' as it keeps people on the track without providing a performance boost to good drivers. Same story with Traction Control and (arguably) ABS. WRS allow these (along with many other groups) because they keep people on the track without giving an advantage to drivers who are already fast.
An aggressive setup that makes the car rotate a lot would be near impossible for a human to drive perfectly. Immortal at Ascari with FXX is a masterclass in what is possible. (Along with heavily worn and limited engine to reduce high rpm instability, probably other setup tricks as well!) Extreme setups with Active Steering enable a level of performance beyond an accomplished player, especially over a race distance, so it is normally banned in authentic race series.
I remember when SRF was sometimes available or even forced on in Seasonal Events. It is sometimes forced on in Quick Matches. Road cars at Indianpolise road course or Group C Le Mans at La Sarthe this year for example. Experienced players don't like this because it is so unnatural while making you faster than the standards physics. It has no place in 'the real driving simulator'.
Active Steering, when dialled into a specialist setup, is a big advantage and as unnatural as SRF. I wish it was banned from Seasonal Events!
Then again, DS3 drivers like me are not playing the game 'properly' if we decide Active Steering users are not playing the game 'properly'. So I would have to be banned from competing in these events as well because the game is doing most of the steering for me, too.
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- Portugal
- Braulioaej2
Could someone help me out here a little bit?
Just recently got GT6 so I'm trying to save up some money, so I gave this seasonal a shot with one of the cars I already had instead of buying the Opera S2000. I'm using the anniversary edition Megane Trophy V6, but after almost an hour of trying I only got to around 1:28:800 I believe. Does anyone just happen to have a good setup for it?
It didn't cross my mind to take a note of mine when I was in-game yesterday, sorry for that.
I know it's only 800ms to gold, but it's been quite frustrating as I can't get around the chicane near the end like I did in my record, so even though I'm gaining time at the beginning of the race, I lose it all at the chicane.
PS: I'm using a DS3 btw. Also tried the Lexus IS-F Racing (also anniv edition) but it was way worse!
Edit: Also I'm not using any aids besides ABS and I'd like to stay away from them, lol.
Just recently got GT6 so I'm trying to save up some money, so I gave this seasonal a shot with one of the cars I already had instead of buying the Opera S2000. I'm using the anniversary edition Megane Trophy V6, but after almost an hour of trying I only got to around 1:28:800 I believe. Does anyone just happen to have a good setup for it?
It didn't cross my mind to take a note of mine when I was in-game yesterday, sorry for that.
I know it's only 800ms to gold, but it's been quite frustrating as I can't get around the chicane near the end like I did in my record, so even though I'm gaining time at the beginning of the race, I lose it all at the chicane.
PS: I'm using a DS3 btw. Also tried the Lexus IS-F Racing (also anniv edition) but it was way worse!
Edit: Also I'm not using any aids besides ABS and I'd like to stay away from them, lol.
