A little rant on how poor this "simulation" is.

[the Interceptor]

I did not say the whole game is crap.. re-read my first post

Okay.

Thread title: a little rant on how poor this simulation is.

1st post:

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For those of you looking for a racing simulator I suggest GTR2. For people who want to spend hours on end developing ways to bounce off cars without getting penalized I suggest GT5.

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What do these things mean then?


What you actually meant - but didn't say - is this:

Thread title: an overall good simulation with a few faults

1st post: I like the cars and the tracks, but the grip levels of the tires are not quite there, and the penalty system is really buggy.

/thread

 

[Viperguy324]

Okay.

Thread title: a little rant on how poor this simulation is.

1st post:What do these things mean then?


What you actually meant - but didn't say - is this:

Thread title: an overall good simulation with a few faults

1st post: I like the cars and the tracks, but the grip levels of the tires are not quite there, and the penalty system is really buggy.

/thread

Ok I'm game ..something like

Thread title: An overall good game.. not a simulator

1st post: I like the cars and the tracks, but the grip levels of the tires are not there, and the penalty system is really ridiculous. The only people that would consider this a simulator is someone who has never driven on a track in a race car. You can use the tires or the BS penalties to diqualify it as a SIM...It becomes arcade when cars race into turns only to slam into each other. (see S10).

 

[Dave A]

I only agree with him on the penalty system. The grip levels of the tyres in this game are the closest to right I've felt in any console game and better than most PC sims too. There's only Live For Speed that I've played that I could argue is better.

The S tyres are not your basic £500 performance road tyre's, the S3's offer a lot more grip than that. Thoes are closer to the N3's. The S3's are closer to road legal cut slicks and thier grip levels are comparable to that. If you think that you can put 550bhp down easilly just ebcause your on cut slicks you are very much mistake. Ofcourse tyre's make a hughe difference to your available grip but just because your Ford GT is on cut slicks that doesn't mean that if you put your foot down the car isn't going to light up and slide exiting a corner. Just because your supercar is on stickier tyres it doesn't mean you can hit the power as and when you feel like. The key to GT5 is being stable when you do start to accelerate, and to keep the car smooth while your doing it. I have a hard time with the driving aids off in the more powerful cars but that doesnt mean the tyres arn't grippy enough, it means my throttle control and smoothness on corners isn't good enough.

The S tyre's are basically like thoes road legal racing tyres that a lot of racing events force competitors to use.

 

[the Interceptor]

Okay, so let's assume this is not a simulation rather than an arcade game because of faulty grip levels. Then again, you know that there is a severe jump in realism when you turn the physics from standard to pro. Now from my point of view, the cars in this game still handle much more realistic than the cars in Need for Speed or Ridge Racer, which are arcade games. So how can you call Prologue, if it already is more realistic than an arcade racer in standard mode and even gets more realistic in pro mode, an arcade game?

 

[Viperguy324]

Okay, so let's assume this is not a simulation rather than an arcade game because of faulty grip levels. Then again, you know that there is a severe jump in realism when you turn the physics from standard to pro. Now from my point of view, the cars in this game still handle much more realistic than the cars in Need for Speed, which is an arcade game. So how can you call Prologue, if it already is more realistic than an arcade racer in standard mode and even gets more realistic in pro mode, an arcade game?

ok ..say you have 3 ducks ..one is fat and slow, one is heavy and quick and the other is light,fast and can fly on dime. Is it a falcon then?? no its still a duck.

 

[PalmerW]

I only agree with him on the penalty system. The grip levels of the tyres in this game are the closest to right I've felt in any console game and better than most PC sims too. There's only Live For Speed that I've played that I could argue is better.

The S tyres are not your basic £500 performance road tyre's, the S3's offer a lot more grip than that. Thoes are closer to the N3's. The S3's are closer to road legal cut slicks and thier grip levels are comparable to that. If you think that you can put 550bhp down easilly just ebcause your on cut slicks you are very much mistake. Ofcourse tyre's make a hughe difference to your available grip but just because your Ford GT is on cut slicks that doesn't mean that if you put your foot down the car isn't going to light up and slide exiting a corner. Just because your supercar is on stickier tyres it doesn't mean you can hit the power as and when you feel like. The key to GT5 is being stable when you do start to accelerate, and to keep the car smooth while your doing it. I have a hard time with the driving aids off in the more powerful cars but that doesnt mean the tyres arn't grippy enough, it means my throttle control and smoothness on corners isn't good enough.

The S tyre's are basically like thoes road legal racing tyres that a lot of racing events force competitors to use.

I agree. My only issue with gt5p is the current penalty system. But i am hoping the upcoming damange update, will elimate the need for many of the penalties. Once we have damate, penalties should be limited to track cutting/wall riding (hopefully with a more severe penalty).

I like having the variety of tire chocies we have in GT5p...this should make races very interesting once we have private rooms to race online in. Right now we are limited to the events pd creates for us, which requires us to use a certain tire...i think this is where the complaint for the orginal poster really is, rather then if this is a sim or an arcade game...but that is all just my opinion. Now i will Let the monkey poop fight at the zoo continue...

 

[the Interceptor]

ok ..say you have 3 ducks ..one is fat and slow, one is heavy and quick and the other is light,fast and can fly on dime. Is it a falcon then?? no its still a duck.

So where does arcade end and simulation begin?

I remember playing Need for Speed III on my PS1. I was driving a Diablo on a track whose name I forgot. I was able to floor the car constantly for the whole race, and take turns just by pulling the handbrake. That is arcade.

In Prologue, you're very far from just flying around the track with ease. Especially in pro mode, this game is very demanding and definitely not for people who like to just go for a quick ride now and then. Therefore, I still fail to see how this game is an arcade racer. Besides, remember you were not able to name any console game which has more of a simulation character than Prologue.

 

[Scaff]

I know all about formula fords... are there any in the game?

I'm baseing my assesment on a the type of cars used in the game. Those cars in those pics do not look like series type cars at all. They look like local racers that are driving for little trophies.. not contingancy money.

You are twisting this into a broad generalzation... I dont expect the market based cars in the game to always run on slicks.. But as it has been said you don't take a GT-40 to the track to race cars(to win)..with street tires.

No sorry but I am not the one generalising here, please remember you said....

Go to the track and find cars racing other cars with streetable tires.

...now those are pictures from a track, from the very grid of the track, clearly showing a car about to race with street legal tyres. That the car's are not in GT5 was not that I can see a part of your statement. However it was not only the FF1600's running street legal tyres, that you don't somehow seem to see this as proper racing as its a local event is quite frankly strange, what difference does it exactly make that its a local series (one that is taken very seriously and does most certainly involve prize money).

If you want a car that was racing on the same day and on road legal tyres then take another look at my pictures, you will see an Integra Type R quite clearly, it raced in the Saloon car championship, which mandates road legal tyres.

However you want higher profile motorsport events that run with road legal tyres, well we have the Mini Se7en and Miglia national championships or the Motorsport News Caterham championships, both national events in the UK that run road legal tyres.

However the best example of a motorsport discipline in which the competitors are the best in class in the world (some would argue the best drivers in the world) and the cars must run road legal tyres is the WRC.

Your statement was a blanket one that GT5 tyre choice is poor because you never see road legal tyres on the track in a race event, and I'm sorry it doesn't matter how many caveats you try and put in, the statement simply is not true.

Scaff

 

[deadlyz33]

LOL

Saying GT5p isn't a simulation game because you feel like the grip levels on the tire selections are off is like saying you don't want to eat the big delicious steak in front of you because they decorated the plate with lettuce instead of basil. STUPID. You do realize this isn't gt5 right? This is gt5 PROLOGUE. Come back when you think GT5 sucks. When damage is implemented and your driving around in standard mode your gonna be crying how you get damage way too easy, and that the levels are too hard to beat. Your opinions were observed and rejected. Anything else you don't like about the game?

 

[JackB]

I don't really mean that you play xobx or whatever, but you know how annoying those kids are. And the way you wrote your first POST in this thread, Its annoying.

I'm 50 years old and have a PS3 and a 360. I checked and your profile states you are 21 years old. That's a kid to me... When you assume anyone on Xbox Live is a kid and somehow anyone with a PS3 is and adult shows a "kid like" sense of logic.

Viperguy is doing his best to stay on topic and defend his position with real world experience. I've really enjoyed reading some of the well thought out posts from Viperguy, Scaff and others.

 

[Scratch]

This thread is going nowhere, i wouldn't mind seeing it closed... Its more about insulting peoples knowledge and intelligence than anything else.

 

[Spec M]

Viper you got a cool as job. I had plans of enlisting into the AF to be an EGRESS systems aprentice
or ATC but I decided to wait after elections. Meanwhile I fell in love with UTI.
Oyea TACP also but im not the best swimmer.

 

[Type_R_]

Best thred ever,grownups 'fighting' and wondering ,is he a'real' racer.I think GT5P is already att that level,where it gathers real life drivers to take the 'game' seriosly.And its only getting better.

 

[Scaff]

This thread has gone nowhere and has turned from what could have been a constructive debate into a borderline problem thread.

Given that I am locking it, not because I am trying to suppress the opinions of the OP or the subject itself, simply because I fear if I don't people may end up saying something they regret in a major way.

I think in closing this it will give a number of people a chance to 'cool' down and hopefully the debate can continue in the future in a slightly less volatile manner.

Scaff