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I was just thinking if mp3's are "Illegal" then why do they keep making mp3 players. Becuase isn't that just saying to the music companys that people don't care if there Illegal. So what do you guys think of this.
 
Well if you buy the cds and convert them to mp3 format in order to have an easier portable audio player then I see no problems with legality.
 
mp3's are not illegal, pirating music is illegal
 
yeah but it is just as easy to download a song you want off a cd rather than buy a cd just for 1 or 2 songs. but then they make downloading illegal so we cant do that. i mean whats the point of buying an eminem cd when he only has like 3 good songs... but you can always pay a dollar to dl a song, that is ok...
 
Originally posted by hanker
You must have been thinking really hard.....
I was about to say the same thing.

mp3 players are for playing mp3's because it is a versatile format. I don't believe they are made to encourage Peer 2 Peer Downloading of pirated music.

I see mp3 players as a way of making good money.
 
in my local super market they cell CD-Rs....right above it there is a legal notice saying that copying music and software is an offence..etc...
why sell them?

One CD-R manufacturer actually make new drives that can copy PS1 games and copy protected CDs directly so that you dont need a chipped console in order to play them...
 
Originally posted by TurboSmoke
in my local super market they cell CD-Rs....right above it there is a legal notice saying that copying music and software is an offence..etc...
why sell them?
Because it is up to the individual to make sure their own actions are legal and ethical.

There is nothing illegal about owning mp3s. What's illegal is stealing them. You're perfectly within your rights to buy a CD and rip a copy for your own use. I do it all the time by taking my bought CDs to work, copying them to my hard drive, and listening to them that way while the CD returns safe at home. But I don't give them away or burn copies for people. It's really not that hard a concept to grasp.

Your car is capable of violating the speed limit. By an extension of your train of thought, your car should not have been sold in a way that was capable of going faster than the legal limit. The government should have relieved you of the responsibility of deciding what speed to drive by mandating that no car should be physically capable of exceeding the national limit.

Also, a lot of you who like to whine about Metallica and how they killed Napster need to understand a little bit about copyright law:

Metallica, and in fact all artists must pursue legal action against priacy, or they are in real danger of losing ownership of their creations.

If known piracy continues and is not challenged by legal action for a certain period of time, the law assumes that the original copyright owner is abandoning their rights to the material, and the material passes into the public domain. So unless Metallica sues Napster and its users to make them stop violating the copyright, the copyright becomes void and Metallica loses their ownership of their own music.

It's far more involved than the simple question of Metallica being greedy. We'll leave the whole moral issue of theft out of it as well. There are very real, legal reasons that put Metallica perfectly in the right.
 
There have been a few good posts about this already. To reitterate (sp?) ...

Mp3s are not illegal. Copying music you do not own is illegal. The mp3 format made copying music very easy, and are easily distrubuted.

I own about 100 CDs. I've made mp3s of all of them. If I buy an iPod and put my mp3s on it I've not done anything illegal.

How about this for an analogy. Guns murder people. Why are guns still manufactured? Because not all guns murder people. It depends on the person using it.

Not all mp3s are illegal. I actually have very few mp3s that I did not purchase the CD for.
 
Originally posted by LoudMusic
I own about 100 CDs. I've made mp3s of all of them. If I buy an iPod and put my mp3s on it I've not done anything illegal.

However, if you then lend your iPod to someone, and they listen to it while you're listening to one of your CDs, you are in breach of copyright.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
Not in the UK. It's about multiple simultaneous use.

Oh, sorry, I was replying to "Is downloading an MP3 you already own on a legally purchased CD illegal?". Should have clarified (:

Yes, I believe multiple simultaneous use is not legal here either. But if you own it then downloading it shouldn't be an issue. Hell, they can't figure out where it comes from anyway.
 
As a side note, it's illegal to shoot people, but you can still buy guns.

It's illegal to stab people, but you can still buy knives.

So even though it's illegal to burn stolen music, you can still buy MP3 players and CD-Rs.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
Not in the UK. It's about multiple simultaneous use.

Oddly, ownership of a tape/video/CD/other recording medium is limited to the contents and not the physical object.

If you own an audio tape you are entitled to download the very same tracks on it from the internet - however it must be the same track, and not a different version, even if it's the same length (prove it... :D).

But the company that produced the audio tape (or CD/video/... and so on) can take back the tape at any time.

Strange world.
 
Originally posted by GilesGuthrie
However, if you then lend your iPod to someone, and they listen to it while you're listening to one of your CDs, you are in breach of copyright.

In this sense, if you think about it, if you even let your friend listen to any cd you have even just for a minute, then it is considered illegal. Am i right?

I belive the whole controversy over mp3s is just stupid. Sure, p2p is illegal, and i can understand the fact that they are tryign to get rid of it, but even though that is gone, they cant stop p2p sharing. If you think about it, all you have to do is copy a cd and give it to your friend and your p2p'ing!

On this note (p2p), why does it seem like software companies aren't pursuing the same thing? If i was to try and search on Kazaa or a related p2p program for Adobe Photoshop, i'd get about 40-50+ results.

Shouldnt software companies be pursuing P2p just like music?

*shrug*
 
Peer-to-peer networking is NOT illegal. You are entitled to distribute anything you have created and have legal copyright for - or have permission to distribute - in any way you see fit.
 
Originally posted by Acid X
In this sense, if you think about it, if you even let your friend listen to any cd you have even just for a minute, then it is considered illegal. Am i right?

No. If you lend the original disc to someone, they can listen to it all they want. As long as you do not charge them for the loan.

However, if you rip the disc to your hard drive (or iPod, to continue the analogy), you are in breach of copyright if you listen to the MP3 while they are listening to the CD that you purchased.

It's all very difficult to prove, of course.
 
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