adding a lil toe in the rear????

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I've been reading on the other site they stated adding a lil toe will help bring times down?????
 
Yep.

RWDs - positive rear toe
FWDs - negative rear toe (-1.00 recommended)
4WDs - positive rear toe (from 0.00 to 0.09 recommended)

:)
 
awd=4wd -.-

WRONG WRONG WRONG AWD ARE USED ON VEHICLES CARS SUCH AS EVOS GTRS SKYLINES ETC ETC 4WD ARE USED FOR TRUCKS LIKE FOR F250 POWER STROKES DIESEL CUMMINS you used 4wd for dirt or towing. I'm a diesel mechanic its that you guys use the wrong terminology..
 
awd is the same as 4wd

On occassion, at least IRL. AWD is used when it needs to be used...kinda of like Auto 4WD. Normal 4WD is always on. But in GT5 I don't think it matters.

And very similar to mazda here, I'm an automotice technician. That's what distinguishes the 2 terms.
 
WRONG WRONG WRONG AWD ARE USED ON VEHICLES CARS SUCH AS EVOS GTRS SKYLINES ETC ETC 4WD ARE USED FOR TRUCKS LIKE FOR F250 POWER STROKES DIESEL CUMMINS you used 4wd for dirt or towing. I'm a diesel mechanic its that you guys use the wrong terminology..

That's where you are both wrong.
4wd is used for cars that have 4 wheels putting power to the ground. Awd is used for cars that may have more than 4 wheels putting power to the ground and AWD stands for ALL wheel drive. Example a Segway is AWD but not 4WD. Get it? Lol :D
 
That's where you are both wrong.
4wd is used for cars that have 4 wheels putting power to the ground. Awd is used for cars that may have more than 4 wheels putting power to the ground and AWD stands for ALL wheel drive. Example a Segway is AWD but not 4WD. Get it? Lol :D

That depends on the vehicle itself. But it terms of vehicles with only 4 wheels, then we both are correct.
 
That depends on the vehicle itself. But it terms of vehicles with only 4 wheels, then we both are correct.

Yup, I must agree on that one, but I think AWD originally stood for a vehicle with more, less or 4 wheels that had all wheel drive. Maybe it differs from country to country...
 
That's where you are both wrong.
4wd is used for cars that have 4 wheels putting power to the ground. Awd is used for cars that may have more than 4 wheels putting power to the ground and AWD stands for ALL wheel drive. Example a Segway is AWD but not 4WD. Get it? Lol :D

And the debate is ON!!!!




The 4WD vehicles were simpler. The output shaft from the transmission went into a transfer case where the engine power was split between front and rear driveshafts. In 2WD, the rear driveshaft turned a pinion inside the rear differential, spinning a ring gear that turned the right and left axle shafts, eventually turning each wheel. With the transfer case lever engaged in 4High or 4Low, a fork would engage a chain drive, turning the front driveshaft and pinion (at the same speed as the rear driveshaft) in the front axle's differential, also turning the ring gear and right and left front axle shafts, then the wheels. This is also referred to as a "part-time" 4WD system because the 4WD had to be manually engaged, and without a center differential it could be used only on low-grip terrain or driving surfaces.







AWDAccording to the Society of Automotive Engineers, an all-wheel-drive vehicle is one with an on-demand feature that occasionally or intermittently sends power to the non-primary powered wheels. The most basic systems often begin with a front-drive platform with some kind of power-splitting differential housed inside the transmission in or in a separate box. AWD is able to send rotational power through a prop shaft to a rear differential where power is directed to each of the rear wheels.In some cases, a certain percentage of engine power is sent to the rear wheels, until the computer sensor detects front wheelslip and redirects more power. Many crossovers or small SUVs were originally developed from passenger car platforms, so the AWD systems were adapted to work for the platform, rather than being designed specifically for that vehicle. Although this type of system doesn't offer an extra low-range gear, it does provide a good amount of traction in snow, rain, or icy conditions when the computer system can detect small and large amounts of wheelslip between front and rear wheels. Just as 4WD systems have benefitted from the advancement of added computer power, so have AWD systems
 
And the debate is ON!!!!




The 4WD vehicles were simpler. The output shaft from the transmission went into a transfer case where the engine power was split between front and rear driveshafts. In 2WD, the rear driveshaft turned a pinion inside the rear differential, spinning a ring gear that turned the right and left axle shafts, eventually turning each wheel. With the transfer case lever engaged in 4High or 4Low, a fork would engage a chain drive, turning the front driveshaft and pinion (at the same speed as the rear driveshaft) in the front axle's differential, also turning the ring gear and right and left front axle shafts, then the wheels. This is also referred to as a "part-time" 4WD system because the 4WD had to be manually engaged, and without a center differential it could be used only on low-grip terrain or driving surfaces.







AWDAccording to the Society of Automotive Engineers, an all-wheel-drive vehicle is one with an on-demand feature that occasionally or intermittently sends power to the non-primary powered wheels. The most basic systems often begin with a front-drive platform with some kind of power-splitting differential housed inside the transmission in or in a separate box. AWD is able to send rotational power through a prop shaft to a rear differential where power is directed to each of the rear wheels.In some cases, a certain percentage of engine power is sent to the rear wheels, until the computer sensor detects front wheelslip and redirects more power. Many crossovers or small SUVs were originally developed from passenger car platforms, so the AWD systems were adapted to work for the platform, rather than being designed specifically for that vehicle. Although this type of system doesn't offer an extra low-range gear, it does provide a good amount of traction in snow, rain, or icy conditions when the computer system can detect small and large amounts of wheelslip between front and rear wheels. Just as 4WD systems have benefitted from the advancement of added computer power, so have AWD systems

Which is a more in depth explanation of what I was saying previously.
 
mazdaman
And the debate is ON!!!!

The 4WD vehicles were simpler. The output shaft from the transmission went into a transfer case where the engine power was split between front and rear driveshafts. In 2WD, the rear driveshaft turned a pinion inside the rear differential, spinning a ring gear that turned the right and left axle shafts, eventually turning each wheel. With the transfer case lever engaged in 4High or 4Low, a fork would engage a chain drive, turning the front driveshaft and pinion (at the same speed as the rear driveshaft) in the front axle's differential, also turning the ring gear and right and left front axle shafts, then the wheels. This is also referred to as a "part-time" 4WD system because the 4WD had to be manually engaged, and without a center differential it could be used only on low-grip terrain or driving surfaces.

AWDAccording to the Society of Automotive Engineers, an all-wheel-drive vehicle is one with an on-demand feature that occasionally or intermittently sends power to the non-primary powered wheels. The most basic systems often begin with a front-drive platform with some kind of power-splitting differential housed inside the transmission in or in a separate box. AWD is able to send rotational power through a prop shaft to a rear differential where power is directed to each of the rear wheels.In some cases, a certain percentage of engine power is sent to the rear wheels, until the computer sensor detects front wheelslip and redirects more power. Many crossovers or small SUVs were originally developed from passenger car platforms, so the AWD systems were adapted to work for the platform, rather than being designed specifically for that vehicle. Although this type of system doesn't offer an extra low-range gear, it does provide a good amount of traction in snow, rain, or icy conditions when the computer system can detect small and large amounts of wheelslip between front and rear wheels. Just as 4WD systems have benefitted from the advancement of added computer power, so have AWD systems

Way to copy and paste that from google lol..... I'm not a mod but this thread totally just got off topic....... yes adding toe in the rear will bring down times by 0.003 0.001 depending on what car speaking in rear wheel drive terms but will slow you down on indy.
 
Way to copy and paste that from google lol..... I'm not a mod but this thread totally just got off topic....... yes adding toe in the rear will bring down times by 0.003 0.001 depending on what car speaking in rear wheel drive terms but will slow you down on indy.

Naaa not google I was reading motortrend lol but ok I'm gonna try it out Monday if I'm free.
 
From what I've come to understand, AWD means all wheels in operation are power wheels at all times. Because its meant to work at all times and all speeds, including top speed of the vehicle, the system isnt quite as strong as 4WD or as reliable for situations where you may slide or get stuck.

4WD means you can use 4 wheels for power but you can also disable them to use 2WD when 4WD is not necessary. Also 4WD is in vehicles with more than 4 wheels, but considered #WD where # = number of wheels that can be powered. It's for off-roading, and not recommended for high speeds.
 
AWD has an automatic kick in as well whereas 4WD does not.
 
4WD is selectable and also has 4H, 4L, 2WD. Power is typically split at 50/50. Wheels will rotate at same speed. Is used for off-road.
While AWD can't be changed and stays the same. It is better fit for snowy, wet conditions. Better for on-road use.
A key difference between 4WD and the AWD systems is that AWD systems are biased to the front wheels. So your kinda driving a FWD almost. But, when the front wheels begin to slip, some engine power is then transfered to the rear wheels via a device known as a viscous coupling. Or, when the back wheels begin to slip, more power is transfered to the front wheels.
 
I agree with Mazda and slash. If you have AWD car not all wheels have same power the whole time. While 4WD has same power output for the whole time.


And I know someone that made an AWD a lot faster by adding toe and camber. I was surprised
 
michrulejj
I agree with Mazda and slash. If you have AWD car not all wheels have same power the whole time. While 4WD has same power output for the whole time.

And I know someone that made an AWD a lot faster by adding toe and camber. I was surprised

I have with a few of mine.
 

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