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Originally posted by Solid Lifters
OK, so he was a licensed race car driver, and he still raced on public streets? Proof that "Drifters" are stupid.

God must have been in a really uncreative mood the day you were born.
 
OK, so he was a licensed race car driver, and he still raced on public streets? Proof that "Drifters" are stupid.

That's just ignorant. There's a difference between downtown during rush hour and a mountain road in the boonies in the middle of the night.

"Proof that 'drifters' are stupid"...

What a dumbass...
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
There's a difference between downtown during rush hour and a mountain road in the boonies in the middle of the night.

Why?

Does time or location have an effect on the rules of the road? If you drive over the top of someone coming down a mountain road is it less bad than mowing someone down in a city street?


Losing traction anywhere on British roads - and that's anywhere from squealing one on launch upwards - is an offence of "Driving without Due Care and Attention". 3 points on your licence. And it doesn't matter if you do it in the middle of London or halfway down Scafell Pike.

The rules of the roads in any country apply to everyone, everywhere all the time.
 
Does time or location have an effect on the rules of the road?

Yes, you should read road signs sometime.



Anyway why be a hypocrit? Cause if you say you've never once raced on a public road I KNOW you'd be lying. All of us are guilty of it no matter how you look at it. Being a "dumbass" make that man's career. He's a professional race car driver and the most popular and well-known drifter in the world. Something about his credentials should give you a little hint about his skill. It really isn't a big deal and it happens all the time.
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
Yes, you should read road signs sometime.

I do it all the time. It's part of being a driver - rather than another one of the mindless bunch who sit behind their steering wheels.

Originally posted by battle_stage
Anyway why be a hypocrit? Cause if you say you've never once raced on a public road I KNOW you'd be lying.

I'm neither a "hypocrite", nor a liar. I occasionally exceed the posted speed limit - at least as far as is indicated on my speedometer. But I have never engaged in a race on a public road with another driver. Ever.

I've done a few traffic light Grands Prix - but I only accelerate up to the posted limit. If the other driver wishes to continue accelerating that is his/her choice - and I've even seen one stopped by the police around the next bend.


Drifting has NO place on any public roads. Tracks I have no problem with, but not on public roads. It is an excessive risk (another part of being a driver is assessing risks - there is no such thing as risk free driving, but you can minimise the risk to yourself and others around you) - you simply cannot guarantee that there won't be someone trying to use the road normally at the same time (and road users are not limited to cars/other things with internal combustion engines. There's pedestrians and cyclists as well). In the event of an accident, the party to blame will always be the drifter. Always. Anyone who deliberately sets out to break traffic regulations and add to others' risk in this fashion IS a dumbass, no matter what their "credentials" are. And this includes one of my favourite actors - Jackie Chan - who engages in this hobby.


(Edit: As an aside, "credentials" derives from the Latin "credo", meaning "trust". I wouldn't trust any driver that drifted on public roads - especially not with me in the car.)
 
So true, I drive through the pennines sometimes to see some family in Mansfield and you'd be suprised at seeing people walking, jogging or cycling in some of the least likely areas. You go round thoes bends drifting, no matter how much skill you have, it's only a case of some innocent being there at the same time and wham, you've killed him. I don't care if that guy has made a career out of driting on the public roads, if he was to kill one person driving his car non of it would be worth it, and I stick to the view that street racers and people who drive dangerouse on public roads are assholes. And no I've never taken part in a street race, like Famine I have gone 5-10mph over the limit, I have cruised at 80 odd mph on the motorway instead of 70, but when it all boils down going 10mph over the limit on a fast road where no corners are tight is no where near as dangerouse as driving fast, drifting and doing handbrake turns round some country or mountain road.
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
That's just ignorant. There's a difference between downtown during rush hour and a mountain road in the boonies in the middle of the night.

"Proof that 'drifters' are stupid"...

What a dumbass...

No, I'm not ignorant, or a dumbass. You're just defending someone, who did something incredibly stupid, you admire and your feeling defensive by my comment.

If you don't know the difference, between driving dangerously on a public road and on a closed race track, then you're the ignorant dumbass.
 
You drifters remind me of street racers with your "oh theres no one else around it' ok".

Don't say your nothing a like when it comes to public roads, because I KNOW your lieing ;).
 
If I can remember from "Wind Tunnel with Dave Despain" last year, once person E-mailed saying that "...the Japanese made drifting a sport, but I can recall taking my Ford in the 1950s or 1960s and sliding out...so America came up with drifting."

Don't think that I have no respect for automobiles when I say this, but I think "Initial D" is a pretty cool Anime series. I seen the white Trueno take on the black R32 in the episode "5 Dangerous Hairpin Turns." It was too bad that the DVD couldn't be read after I seen the R32 (R32 Nissan Skyline GT-R, by the way). Anyhow, I wouldn't be surprised if this car makes it into GT4.

Now for some un-expertly commentary on the popularity of cars and their correlation to Gran Turismo. Now if it is one thing I'm getting a bit tired of, it's people who like to bash on young folk getting into Japanese cars in extreme situations. I never seen the movie, but "Gone in Sixty Seconds" had a GT500 known as the GT500E. "Dukes of Hazard" had that General Lee car. Now, I'm 21 years old. I know that I don't know much about cars older than 1983 or any movies or series back then. Now, is it because some young guy with a Japanese car showing off flashy moves is considered crap by American car fans? Well guess what? Some people are sick of V8s and ground-pounding heavyweights. Now sure, they aren't flashy. However, this is a double-edged sword. Some muscle car loverss are sick of some people who are into Japanese tuner cars and techno music. Likewise, some import/sport compact (when it comes to America) aren't really into ground-pounding American cars. Some even say they are ugly. Now me, I like all cars of all eras. So in my view, don't be surprised if the next best marketable Japanese compact or fire-breathing dragon inspired by the media makes it into GT4, car commercials, magazines, and the like. It's about marketability. If America is continually drawn into NASCAR since ALMOST EVERYTHING are the official whatevers of NASCAR, then Hollywood and/or Tokyo will use the same methods. It's all about the Benjamins. In closing, say what you want about the AE86 and any other media-inspired car or truck. How can it be countered? Market American cars in a way that attracts people like bees to honey. If you have to employ kiss-ass methods, so be it. Hopefully they'll make it into GT games. Maybe Japan has more "show and go" cars (in the perspective of a muscle car lover), but the marketability and exposure of the car is exceptional no matter if any American car will ever get such recognition.

As a note, even if there is a Honda Civic tuner that looks like crap, just remember. This is the young generation of today, not 1960 Fords in Riverside. The young generation are car fans too despite tastes. Give them respect, otherwise, this compacts vs. muscle/pony car rivalry will continue until one side finally raises the white flag.
 
Originally posted by cmetom
the middle of the night on a Japanese mountain pass is NOT the middle of the night in a suburb in england or the united states... ever think about that? cultures are different.

While drifting in Japan doesn't make it any safer, I agree with him in that Japanese mountain roads are extremely different from the rural roads in other countries. Moreover, Japan is a lot more lenient on drifting than the US (or so I've heard), so the standard is different. Finally, like it or not, Tsuchiya is partially responsible for the transformation of drifting from an underground activity to a mainstream one. It's arguable that drifting wouldn't even exist "on the track" were it not for his 'reckless' behavior.
 
By the way, people say that the AE86 just a glorified Corolla. Well, this one will excite the import/sport compact crowd. If the AE86 is "crap," you'd might as well say that the 1984 Mustang looks like a glorified Escort.

And the angry rants continue...
 
Modern drifting as a sport came from Japan, no if's, and's, or but's about it. All cars are gonna slide at some point in time in motorsports, but that doesn't neccessarily mean they were drifting.
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
Modern drifting as a sport came from Japan, no if's, and's, or but's about it. All cars are gonna slide at some point in time in motorsports, but that doesn't neccessarily mean they were drifting.

The Japanese did not "create" drifting, there is video footage from and early 60s rally race that proves that, but the Japanese did bring it to light.

Can they claim it solely for themselves just because thay have added their own uniqueness to the activity? No. Unless the word "drifting" was create to describe this modified activity, and I don't think they came up with the word.

Is drifting a sport? No. It's like riding a unicycle, it takes technique, and skill, but you can't call it a sport.
 
The Japanese did not "create" drifting, there is video footage from and early 60s rally race that proves that, but the Japanese did bring it to light.

You have some poor reading comprehension. Re-read what I said.

Modern drifting as a sport came from Japan, no if's, and's, or but's about it. All cars are gonna slide at some point in time in motorsports, but that doesn't neccessarily mean they were drifting.

I'm not talking about rally racing. You're on a ****ing loose surface, of course you're gonna slide. I said MODERN DRIFTING AS A SPORT.

Is drifting a sport? No. It's like riding a unicycle, it takes technique, and skill, but you can't call it a sport.
Competitive driving not a sport? Well there goes that...

Keiichi himself coined the term drifting. He gave birth to modern drifting. I don't care what you think happened, or what actually happened before that because that's not what I'm talking about.
 
I am personally tired of hearing solely about drifiting in my sport compact car issues and everywhere else I've turned to gain insight on the automotive world. It's like skateboarding; some people are passionate about it, it gets real popular because of marketing and exposure through media (initial D for instance, as entertaining as it is), then goes out of style for long stretches just the same. Drifiting is a sport, yes, as much as figure skating is, but I do not consider it the pinnacle of all that is cool with cars, in fact, it's just a novelty. Getting faster times (modifying your car to be FASTER and not strangely biased towards wheelspin and short bursts of acceleration resulting in burned out parts and busted up cars) and competing directly with others seems like a much more worthwhile pursuit (ahem...RALLYING, which, by the way, requires much more skill and balls) than doing glorified high speed donuts in a parking lot for cheering 17 year olds between bikini contests. People just put way too much emphasis on drifting. Of course this is just an opinion, but maybe other people can relate with me.
 
Problem is, no matter how empty a road is on average theres always the risk of someone being there & the 'drifter' & that other innocent person going about there business being involved in a major accident.

I personally think drifiting is pretty cool although up until 'recently' I never realised it was that major of a thing. Infact even when I knew sod all about drifting I found in games I did it anyway since it fitted 'my driving style' just coz its fun :)

Still in real life if I was driving around a corner & some dick was 'drifting' a banger with crap taped to it crashed into me I wouldn't be a happy bunny. Like all street racing, it all boils down to selfishness. To put yourself & others at risk for a 'bit of fun'.
 
Originally posted by akum6n
While drifting in Japan doesn't make it any safer, I agree with him in that Japanese mountain roads are extremely different from the rural roads in other countries. Moreover, Japan is a lot more lenient on drifting than the US (or so I've heard), so the standard is different. Finally, like it or not, Tsuchiya is partially responsible for the transformation of drifting from an underground activity to a mainstream one. It's arguable that drifting wouldn't even exist "on the track" were it not for his 'reckless' behavior.
I don't give a crap if he is responsible for making drifiting a sport, you don't do it on public roads, he was an asshole for doing so and like I said before and like T5-R's just said, all it takes is 1 person in the wrong place, is a quick adrenaline rush worth running someone over. A lad 18 who used to live near me was a street racer and a drifter, last month he got arrested, he was speeding round a corner and he hit a pregnant woman, the baby's dead and she's in a coma. The guy is one or the more skilled drivers around, I've seen him race on circuits in Caterhams and Clio's so don't say that it's all ok because he's skilled, you can't predict where another person will be and theres nothing to say you will never lose control of your car, and don't say it's ok because if he didn't, then drifting as a sport would never have come about, because innocent peoples lives are more importnat.
 
Mind telling me what a pregnant women is doing walking in the middle of the road on a mountain in the middle of no-where at 2am? I'm not talking about in the middle of the day in populated areas.
 
She was from a place called Chatsworth which is in the country round the pennines, I don't know how you can try to justify driving dangerously, a public road is a public road, people don't need a reason to be walking, driving or cycling on it. Also people have been hit by reckless drivers down the snake pass and you can hardly call that a populated area.
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
Mind telling me what a pregnant women is doing walking in the middle of the road on a mountain in the middle of no-where at 2am? I'm not talking about in the middle of the day in populated areas.

This has to be the most stupid thing I've ever read here. What does it matter what she was doing? She got hurt, and her baby is DEAD! Her car could have broken down on the way to the hospital to have her baby.

Your such a stupid asshole for saying that. Seriously! I don't think I should even bother! Your are so way beyond logical thinking, that what I have to say wont make a difference.

If I was the father of that baby and husband to that woman, that "drifter" asshole would be dead!
 
Exactley. Some people just don't value other peoples lives as much as a quick adrenaline rush thee days, it's sick when you think about it.
 
I value nothing! Kill everyone! You guys are so far from seeing my point I don't even care anymore.
 
Originally posted by battle_stage
You guys are so far from seeing my point

Would be nice if you had one, rather than the same, tired old "drifting is ace", "Keiichi Tsuchiya is great" tripe.

Fact: Motorsport does not belong on public roads.

People are often where they shouldn't be, doing things they shouldn't do. Motorsport takes place on tracks in order to at least give the semblence of a controlled environment - there are always extra elements, like the mad priest at Silverstone, the cameraman at Adelaide or any one of the spectators killed in the Nascar crash last year. Taking risks with your own car/money/life is acceptable. Taking risks with others is not. People who attend motorsports events have chosen to be there. Members of the public have no choice.
 
Originally posted by cmetom
sometimes, life isn't all about minimising risks. although i don't think you're gonna fully understand the meaning of that.

Oh now that you put it like that, i can defently understand how killing some one is ok :rolleyes:
 
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