AI slow down to let you win.
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- Phoenix AZ
- nascarfan49
- nascarfan49
Absolutely farcical, there's no other way to describe it.
Just done the National A Schwarzwald League 1-lap Nordscheife Race. Optimistically entered it in a completely stock Scirocco R which is way below the PP limit (438 vs 560).
Anyhow, I was a consistent 20-ish seconds off the front until somewhere after the Karussell, when the gap suddenly reduced to 10 seconds and then I caught and passed the leading 2003 M3 GTR down the straight. While I was catching the M3 up through the preceding corners it was completely obvious that it was going slowly.
Begs the question whether there are limits to what lengths the AI is programmed to slow down? When I get the opportunity I might try entering in different cars or driving at different paces and see how that affects the AI's times.
Another example from the previous night is the B-5 mission race at Silverstone. Your opponent (in an identical Nissan GT-R) gets a three second start, is easily passed within the first few corners and is then glued to your bumper for the rest of the lap. In order to make the situation even more ridiculous this event has a collision penalty, and the rubber banding catapults the AI into the back of you when slowing down for a corner. This is obviously deemed your fault.
From my limited experience with GT6 it feels the driving is better than ever. Unfortunately my impression so far is that the racing has never been worse.
Just done the National A Schwarzwald League 1-lap Nordscheife Race. Optimistically entered it in a completely stock Scirocco R which is way below the PP limit (438 vs 560).
Anyhow, I was a consistent 20-ish seconds off the front until somewhere after the Karussell, when the gap suddenly reduced to 10 seconds and then I caught and passed the leading 2003 M3 GTR down the straight. While I was catching the M3 up through the preceding corners it was completely obvious that it was going slowly.
Begs the question whether there are limits to what lengths the AI is programmed to slow down? When I get the opportunity I might try entering in different cars or driving at different paces and see how that affects the AI's times.
Another example from the previous night is the B-5 mission race at Silverstone. Your opponent (in an identical Nissan GT-R) gets a three second start, is easily passed within the first few corners and is then glued to your bumper for the rest of the lap. In order to make the situation even more ridiculous this event has a collision penalty, and the rubber banding catapults the AI into the back of you when slowing down for a corner. This is obviously deemed your fault.
From my limited experience with GT6 it feels the driving is better than ever. Unfortunately my impression so far is that the racing has never been worse.
- 542
- Newport Beach, CA
- TurismoSlayer
Has anyone figured out how to change to opponent vehicles during replays yet? If so, we could examine their inputs and such. The other night I was button mashing to see what would happen. All I found was "select" changes view, "square" I think does a close up, and start obviously exits. Sorry if this has been brought up already.
- 1,511
- Michigan
- tahoe01
Press X or start during the replay, scroll over on the menu that pops up, open up car select menu, choose the car. This is also how you get to the photo mode option. Note: you have to exit the auto-start replay, then choose to play the replay at the race screen.
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- Newport Beach, CA
- TurismoSlayer
- 6,318
- West Virginia
- HBR-Roadhog
- HBR Roadhog
I was checking the AI times today after one of my races. I did not see much evidence of the AI slowing down, possibly a little but not much at all. The race in question was in IA section on Grand Valley. The winning car posted a best lap of 1:56.8 3 of his laps were in the 1:57 range and the last lap was a low 1:58 I think the 1:56 came from drafting as he moved ahead of the previous leader.
In this race I was in a car that just couldn't quite get it done and ended up in 4th place. If the AI would have slowed down and let me win then I would have won but that did not happen. I was running 1:56 - 1:57 every lap and I did gain the most on the last lap where I was able to squeeze a 1:55 out of the car I was in.
I ran the race again in a different car, one that was to fast this time turning avg laps of 1:48 and the AI still turned laps in the range of what i saw the first time around.
Of course the AI do seem to get stronger in IA and stronger again in S
In this race I was in a car that just couldn't quite get it done and ended up in 4th place. If the AI would have slowed down and let me win then I would have won but that did not happen. I was running 1:56 - 1:57 every lap and I did gain the most on the last lap where I was able to squeeze a 1:55 out of the car I was in.
I ran the race again in a different car, one that was to fast this time turning avg laps of 1:48 and the AI still turned laps in the range of what i saw the first time around.
Of course the AI do seem to get stronger in IA and stronger again in S
There is rubberband, 100% sure...
It depends on the race how bad it is. In the early Int.B races they slow down extreme, at least 10% maybe more.
In the last championship it seems a little less extreme, but still very noticeable.
(I did it with a stock MP4-12C/sport hard against 2 Veyrons and a F1, not easy but possible. Should be impossible if you look at the gaps after the first 1-2 laps)
So maybe you can have a little more challenging races in IA or S, but NA, NB and IB is a joke.
BTW:
If you watch the replays from other cars the time of the first lap is not correct, because the time start not running when he goes over the start line. It starts running when you pass the line, so first lap shows a much lower time than what he did.
This makes it a bit hard to see the rubberbanding in 3lap races (in 2nd they already start to slow down).
But in 5/8 laps it is very noticeable.
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- Rainbow Bar&Grill
- Rrralphster
May 2013, thread about what we want to see added to B-spec:
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...icles-and-tracks.260298/page-114#post-8525699
"Yes, I want all these options.
I just have one question. How hard would it be to program the A.I. to respond to all the new "realism" options that people have suggested?"
....
https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/thre...icles-and-tracks.260298/page-114#post-8525699
"Yes, I want all these options.
I just have one question. How hard would it be to program the A.I. to respond to all the new "realism" options that people have suggested?"
....
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- Germany
- Crowood
Jeah, sure the PS4 is more advanced in power and hardware over the PS3, also its menues and flexibility is much better. But you can't put your own music, pictures, videos etc on it, as far as i know even portable harddrives are not yet supportet. The power is a great step forward, but the usability is far from the PS3 yet.
@Topic:
Did the national B supercar festival yersterday, cars over 620 PP take part in it. I was driving the 15th Anv Ford '66 GT with race exhaust (about 530 PP). I smoked the aventador on the straight (stock trans from the Ford is revlimited by 280km/h)! Fastest car in the field was the mclaren MP4-12C, he smoked ME on every straight, also ramming me of the road or made me spin. When i pulled a few seconds lead over the mclaren, he allways was right back on my tail on start/finish line....
(the Track is monza)
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Once they are behind you they start driving at 100%, and since the slipstream effect is way to strong you have little chance of escape. If you let him pass he will slow down again, it is just a question of timing/where the finish line is.
Also i find the MP4-12C is to strong and to easy to drive compared to others.
hessi
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- GTP_hessi
I second that. And it doesn't help if you bring up yet another example where you won a race against 600+ PP AI cars in your 350 PP Kei car. The slower you are, the slower the AI is.
Just to be clear, I do not condone this, but adapt to it (as long as PD doesn't change it) - try to drive clean, do not chose ridiculously underpowered cars, but something that's actually fun and it's a very similar experience to GT5. The devil we know...
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- London
- D-MVN
I tryed that, if i use a really equal car they still slow down because most races are to short to win in a equal car.
You have to take a car good enough to be 1st in the middle of the race to prevent them from slowing down, but this means you are much faster in the 2nd half, so also no challenge.
You cant beat the stupid rubberband, this is what makes it so bad.
It is ok to make it easier for not so good drivers, but please dont take every last bit of challenge away for the others.
- 22,549
- Arizona
- HamiltonMP427
How was this new to anyone who played GT5? As I said from early views and now playing it, the seemed to have meshed GT5 with earlier GTs by giving either faster cars to the AI up front (along with the cushion of gaps in rolling starts) and also made the first four cars faster, with the rest especially the fifth car being a road block.
Also the only time I've been hit by an AI is if I come into their racing line or braking point and they aren't willing to make corrections like actual competition (e.g. changing racing line or breaking points since I'm faster in that moment). I haven't been spun or punted into a wall since GT4 and prior when the blind/angry AIs would get you.
Also the only time I've been hit by an AI is if I come into their racing line or braking point and they aren't willing to make corrections like actual competition (e.g. changing racing line or breaking points since I'm faster in that moment). I haven't been spun or punted into a wall since GT4 and prior when the blind/angry AIs would get you.
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- England
- Blue--08--
I don't believe anyone said it was new but that said it certainly wasn't this bad in GT5 but even if it was it doesn't mean it should continual in this way.
- 22,549
- Arizona
- HamiltonMP427
I agree it shouldn't continue this way, but at the same time considering the number of threads already addressing this issue, that is why I said what I've said. I've already been highly critical of the AI and it jumped up more so when the video of Jordan playing the game before release was put up. Now it's back to what I felt when I played GT5 I don't see any improvements really.
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I tried the Rome 10 minute race. The car leading the race was lapping about 1:22 throughout the race and I was in 3rd the entire time. I decided to crash towards the end of the race and see how the AI lap times changed. The AI slowed down to 1:33 to let me catch up!
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- Jakarta
- Chiyo_Cute
Yes this is ridiculous!, just golded it by 0.020 seconds thankfully and just right before finish line the red AI still tried to knock me down literally!! glad there wasn't any penalty!
Most of the time I was watching that stupid AI just getting bigger and bigger in my rear mirror and to make sure he doesn't pass me because that would mean trouble (collision penalty)
Just drive faster and brake later 
I did it1,703 under Gold and he was never anywhere near my back.
Edit: 3,599 (2:17,201 Gold has become way to easy, was no where near a perfect lap)
The problem here is the way to strong slipstream effect, but if you get exits from the last corners before the straights right you pull just enough of a gap that he not gets you. And his disadvantage is that he is faster in your slipstream, so has to brake early.
Also try out how much you can cut the inside of corners without penalty.
I did it
Edit: 3,599 (2:17,201 Gold has become way to easy, was no where near a perfect lap)
The problem here is the way to strong slipstream effect, but if you get exits from the last corners before the straights right you pull just enough of a gap that he not gets you. And his disadvantage is that he is faster in your slipstream, so has to brake early.
Also try out how much you can cut the inside of corners without penalty.
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- Michigan
- DaveTheStalker
Rubber banding is PISSING ME OFF!!!! The closer I get to the front, the worse the handling gets. Get in 1st, Sport Soft tires become the worst possible tires, Comfort Hard. More wheel needs to be applied to make a turn. The rear end steps out under braking, even when the diff is over adjusted to keep the car when braking.
The IB LeMans European Tour is giving me fits!!! I'm using the AMG GT3 15th Anny. The car goes from AMAZING, to garbage.
The IB LeMans European Tour is giving me fits!!! I'm using the AMG GT3 15th Anny. The car goes from AMAZING, to garbage.
I just found out how this works i think.
I just had the best race ever since playing GT6 ! (Last race Allstars in IB)
The trick is using better tires, the opponents use race hard and i used soft sport.
(So far i always used the stock hard sport)
The leading Huayra did 1:59 1st lap, 2:01 in 2nd and 2:00 in 3rd
I did 2:00, 1:57 and 1:56.
Now the fun part, i was behind him towards the end of lap 3.
The whole 4th i was direct behind him and pushed as good as i could, but he really stepped it up !
I did the lap in 1:55,2 he did a 1:55,4 , improved his best quite a bit under pressure !
I passed him just after the line out of slipstream, pushed hard the whole 5th lap, he alway just behind me,
I did 5th in 2:55,3 he got 2nd place 0,38 behind.
Not a single contact with him the whole race btw !
And that MP4-12C handles f...ingfantastic with those soft sports.
That replay will be my new favorite.
Crazy:
I did the exact same race 2h before just with hard sport, it went totally different.
The Huayra also started with 1:59, 2:00 but in 3rd he had already slowed down to 2:05, i guess because i was still way behind.
4th he did 2:06,5 in 5th 2:08,5, in total he gifted me ~24sec.
I got up to him mid 5th lap and could pass easy becaus he was driving so slow, he was also not pushing me much for the rest of the lap.
Same result but such a horrible race.
So the secret seems to be to match the opponents closely with car&tires, they don't pity you any more and give you a fight instead.
I just had the best race ever since playing GT6 ! (Last race Allstars in IB)
The trick is using better tires, the opponents use race hard and i used soft sport.
(So far i always used the stock hard sport)
The leading Huayra did 1:59 1st lap, 2:01 in 2nd and 2:00 in 3rd
I did 2:00, 1:57 and 1:56.
Now the fun part, i was behind him towards the end of lap 3.
The whole 4th i was direct behind him and pushed as good as i could, but he really stepped it up !
I did the lap in 1:55,2 he did a 1:55,4 , improved his best quite a bit under pressure !
I passed him just after the line out of slipstream, pushed hard the whole 5th lap, he alway just behind me,
I did 5th in 2:55,3 he got 2nd place 0,38 behind.
Not a single contact with him the whole race btw !
And that MP4-12C handles f...ingfantastic with those soft sports.
That replay will be my new favorite.
Crazy:
I did the exact same race 2h before just with hard sport, it went totally different.
The Huayra also started with 1:59, 2:00 but in 3rd he had already slowed down to 2:05, i guess because i was still way behind.
4th he did 2:06,5 in 5th 2:08,5, in total he gifted me ~24sec.
I got up to him mid 5th lap and could pass easy becaus he was driving so slow, he was also not pushing me much for the rest of the lap.
Same result but such a horrible race.
So the secret seems to be to match the opponents closely with car&tires, they don't pity you any more and give you a fight instead.
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- Cornwall, UK
- nosebluntbob
- 21
- Cornwall, UK
- nosebluntbob
goin on gt5 and see if you can beat a 657 nur lap with a muscle and sport tyres see how easy it is without using a 1000bhp viper obv considering the rs is 530ish ppHaha, i remember the US tour in international B, there was a Ford Focus RS driving will all the vettes and camarosSeriously, a Focus VS big american muscle?! Sure he'll smoke them all
