Aliens

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Is there extraterrestrial life?

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (non carbon based)

    Votes: 19 2.5%

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon based)

    Votes: 25 3.3%

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon and non carbon based)

    Votes: 82 10.8%

  • Yes, and they are humanoid creatures

    Votes: 39 5.1%

  • Yes, and they are those associated with abductions

    Votes: 19 2.5%

  • Yes, but I don't know what they'd be like

    Votes: 379 49.8%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 151 19.8%

  • No, they only exist in movies

    Votes: 47 6.2%
  • Total voters
    761
silverman_GT
Several sites say the first video is in fact the infamous "Black Knight Satellite".

One thing i'd like to ask is, what the hell is the "Black Knight Satellite" exactly?
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Back in the 50's when the satellite era was just beginning, some people saw a satellite orbiting Earth in odd and changing orbits that could not be attributed to any Earthly agency such as Russia. The question has never been solved. Lights (and more rarely solid-appearing objects) moving about the sky continue to be reported, and the mystery continues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_satellite

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/02/black-knight-satellite-interest-mysteriously-increasing/

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/aliens.119024/page-36#post-7417850
 
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Dotini
Back in the 50's when the satellite era was just beginning, some people saw a satellite orbiting Earth in odd and changing orbits that could not be attributed to any Earthly agency such as Russia. The question has never been solved. Lights (and more rarely solid-appearing objects) moving about the sky continue to be reported, and the mystery continues.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Knight_satellite

http://mysteriousuniverse.org/2015/02/black-knight-satellite-interest-mysteriously-increasing/

https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/aliens.119024/page-36#post-7417850
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Here's the photo from STS88, actually a thermal blanket lost from the airlock during EVA.

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Some people said they saw Black Knight... but then they were selling a sci-fi book on the subject.

It may be true that "the technology to put satellites into space" didn't exist until the late 50s but we'd been sending rockets up there since the early 1940s, possibly earlier. What's to say there wasn't significant debris?
 
Exorcet
I feel that advanced humans would probably halt evolution and keep the basic look the same. Then again, some could just as easily change themselves intentionally.

As far as time travel goes, that for me is less likely than extraterrestrials, even considering the size of the universe. It took 4 billion years for intelligent life on Earth to develop. The universe is 13 billion years old. Give 2 billion years for all the quasars and such to die out and you're left with the oldest hypothetical civilizations having 7 billion years of time to develop technology and travel. There could very well be another civilization, or two, or three, in the Milky Way or the Magellanic Clouds.
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(post dig, but I did want to respond last week)

Well, given a near-infinite amount of time till the ultimate heat death of the Universe, there's more time in the future to develop time travel than there has been in the past to develop space travel.

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The major problem with the time travel idea (apart from self-cancelling paradoxes, the question of whether the traveller travels in space and time at the same time... whether they can anchor themselves to the planet's surface or eventually end up in the exact same space in a different time, sometimes light years away from where the planet was at that time) is that human time travellers will not need to physically travel to our time for anthropological observation.

Such an idea might have made sense in the 60's... with 60's era technology... but given what we know now about progress in terms of cameras, drones, and etcetera... we can probably assume that any civilization advanced enough to travel through time will either be able to send very tiny probes... or will be able to remotely view our time without physically sending machines.

It'd be cheaper, too.

Which means the only futurians (or aliens, for that matter) stupid or reckless enough to come in person will be tourists.

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Makes sense.
 
niky
Makes sense.
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I think so. Space/time tourists probably make more sense when it comes to supposed UFO sightings than science expeditions. The cube business on the last page only raises questions for me if it's supposed to be some kind of scientific survey, but if imagine the space Simpsons taking a road trip in the cube it seems more believable.

That said that though, there is still the fine (or small) print you mentioned which stacks against time travel. When it comes to space travel, there are some relatively mundane ideas that could work; like probes, multi-generational ships, or genetic modification/repair (for anti-aging, or this could just naturally be a trait of a species which is the case for immoral Earth organisms).

I think solutions to long space travel are closer in reach than time travel, which might not ever be possible. If we do take a less strict look at physics though, you do make a good point on future time being longer than past time. Unless we get really, really unlucky with quantum mechanics. When I first heard about particle randomness allowing for a second big bang after a heat death, it sounded like good news, but if it can happen in the future it could technically happen tomorrow. And it would be just my luck too, even at those odds.
 
@Exorcet - I think if our Universe ever buds a child, we wouldn't notice. It would probably expand in its own bubble of space-time, appearing in our Universe as nothing more than a passing singularity.

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I'm disappointed at the lack of four-dimensional beings invading our plane of reality.
 
GTsail290
I'm not sure.......

Did someone lose a princess recently?:nervous::nervous::nervous:
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It's a reference to Tangled. Rapunzel was kidnapped as a baby and every year since the entire kingdom releases sky lanterns on her birthday in her memory, hoping that one day the lost princess will return home.

The image above looks very similar.

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Long-time readers of this thread might recall some posts I've made regarding the Hessdalen Lights, a recurring and scientifically studied UFO phenomenon in a remote fjord and valley of Norway. In my own state of Washington I have seen similar UFOs on a semi-remote fjord where I have a fishing cabin. Another place this phenomenon occurs and has been systematically studied is the Toppenish ridge near Yakima, Washington.

Below are links to parts 1 and 2 of a three part article on the Yakima UFO phenomenon.

http://thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com/2015/07/yakima-opening-first-curtain.html
http://thebiggeststudy.blogspot.com/2015/07/yakima-second-curtain.html
 
TenEightyOne
Interesting... although it won't surprise you to learn that I'm skeptical :)
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No, I know you're skeptical. Skepticism is usual a strong and defensible position, and I like it.

But here, just exactly what is it you are skeptical about? The existence of an unidentified phenomenon? One or more of the explanations offered for it? Just what?
 
Dotini
No, I know you're skeptical. Skepticism is usual a strong and defensible position, and I like it.

But here, just exactly what is it you are skeptical about? The existence of an unidentified phenomenon? One or more of the explanations offered for it? Just what?
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I accept that the phenomenon exists :)
 
TenEightyOne
I accept that the phenomenon exists :)
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I'm not so sure our universe exists, but rather seems likely to be a hoax or simulation. http://news.yahoo.com/universe-fake-171049212.html

Even less am I sure this UFO phenomenon which I and others have seen exists and is real in any way we would currently understand. Certainly they are not permanently or durably real. If they were, we would have captured or killed one by now. I am persuaded they briefly manifest, not as a solid but as a symbol or signal, perhaps as a hologram, before vanishing back into a realm with which we are unfamiliar. They hint that we are not alone and reality is not what we think it is. They are like a psychological thermostat which alternately constrains and loosens our belief system.
 
Dotini
I'm not so sure our universe exists, but rather seems likely to be a hoax or simulation. http://news.yahoo.com/universe-fake-171049212.html

Even less am I sure this UFO phenomenon which I and others have seen exists and is real in any way we would currently understand. Certainly they are not permanently or durably real. If they were, we would have captured or killed one by now. I am persuaded they briefly manifest, not as a solid but as a symbol or signal, perhaps as a hologram, before vanishing back into a realm with which we are unfamiliar. They hint that we are not alone and reality is not what we think it is. They are like a psychological thermostat which alternately constrains and loosens our belief system.
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Someone suggested basically we are in a computer simulation. Sorry that's made my day :lol:
 
I don't buy it simply because of the fact that the simulation would be extremely boring. What kind of super advanced entities would be entertained by watching me (And billion others) go to work, pay my bills and go to the toilet day in day out?

Yeah, I think super advanced civilizations would have better things to do or bigger problems to solve than that.

And now I'm off to watch my cockroach simulation, hell yeah, I can't wait to find out whats happening in the world of cockroaches today! :sly:
 
Michael88
I don't buy it simply because of the fact that the simulation would be extremely boring. What kind of super advanced entities would be entertained by watching me (And billion others) go to work, pay my bills and go to the toilet day in day out?

Yeah, I think super advanced civilizations would have better things to do or bigger problems to solve than that.

And now I'm off to watch my cockroach simulation, hell yeah, I can't wait to find out whats happening in the world of cockroaches today! :sly:
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By being conscious, you watch yourself, on the job, on the bus and on the toilet. But what if it really is not you - at least not your body - that is the consciousness and doing the watching? Perhaps you are a node in a vast, active, living intelligence system!? :eek:

(Tip of the hat to Philip K Dick)
 
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Michael88
I don't buy it simply because of the fact that the simulation would be extremely boring. What kind of super advanced entities would be entertained by watching me (And billion others) go to work, pay my bills and go to the toilet day in day out?

Yeah, I think super advanced civilizations would have better things to do or bigger problems to solve than that.

And now I'm off to watch my cockroach simulation, hell yeah, I can't wait to find out whats happening in the world of cockroaches today! :sly:
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First, you would have to assume that a hyper-advanced civilization would have the same concept of boredom as humanity does. Heck, people often don't agree with each other on the topic of what's boring and what's interesting. Given the millions of people who've played "The Sims", watching billions of Sims go to work, pay bills and go to the toilet day in and day out...

Secondly, you're assuming that humanity is the center of the simulation, or that we are even the desired final product.

Your Master Simulator could set the rules which create the Universe, run the simulation through a few cycles to see that it's viable, let it run, and go back to view the summation of the results after the heat death of the Universe, a few minutes, hours, days, weeks... etcetera... later. Or whatever passes for time units in the Master Simulator's reality (if time indeed passes for the master simulator). We would be long dead (simulation over) before he/she/it/e gets to looking for proof of us.

To actually find "life" that evolves in this simulated Universe, you'd have to define what life is. What if the definition of the creator doesn't apply to three-dimensional life? What if their Universe-sized search engine is set to look for complex silicate life-forms, or is busy indexing trillions of hydrogen-plasma life forms or the trillion plus one primitive bacteria soups brewing around the Universe?

More worrisome than the simulation idea is the idea that we are unimportant enough to the simulation that nobody sees fit to tell us we aren't real.

The one sure way to show the Master Simulator that we're worthy is to create a Universe-simulator ourselves. One complex enough to support intelligent life.

Either that, or hack the program and transcend the bounds of our simulation.
 
silverman_GT
What do you guys think?
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Take a guess as to the origin of the following line:

"He sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good."

Apollo 8 astronauts Borman and Lovell informed us in 1968, after emerging from the dark side of the Moon, that there is indeed a Santa Claus.

If you really want to creep yourself out about the alien intelligence question, do the following simple experiment:
- While alert and sober, go outside on a dark, clear night.
- In a warm coat, carefully observe the sky for as long as it takes to do the following.
- Watch until you see object(s) moving with respect to the stars. You are looking for satellites, not airplanes. Make sure of this.
- Watch a satellite until you see one stop, then change or reverse direction. Once you've seen this with your own eyes, you will never be the same again. You are going to get the overwhelming impression that you have been in direct, personal contact with an alien intelligence phenomenon that has responded to your observation of it.
 
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Dotini
Take a guess as to the origin of the following line:

"He sees you when you're sleeping. He knows when you're awake. He knows if you've been bad or good."

Apollo 8 astronauts Borman and Lovell informed us in 1968, after emerging from the dark side of the Moon, that there is indeed a Santa Claus.

If you really want to creep yourself out about the alien intelligence question, do the following simple experiment:
- While alert and sober, go outside on a dark, clear night.
- In a warm coat, carefully observe the sky for as long as it takes to do the following.
- Watch until you see object(s) moving with respect to the stars. You are looking for satellites, not airplanes. Make sure of this.
- Watch a satellite until you see one stop, then change or reverse direction. Once you've seen this with your own eyes, you will never be the same again. You are going to get the overwhelming impression that you have been in direct, personal contact with an alien intelligence phenomenon that has responded to your observation of it.
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Might be worth a try. I will be going on a camping trip in a few weeks, so why the hell not? :lol:

Pardon me for the question, but have you ever tried these steps before? Not that i'm skeptical, just wondering what will happen after 'Santa Claus' responded.
 

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