Aliens

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Is there extraterrestrial life?

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (non carbon based)

    Votes: 19 2.5%

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon based)

    Votes: 25 3.3%

  • Yes, and they are not Earth like creatures (carbon and non carbon based)

    Votes: 82 10.8%

  • Yes, and they are humanoid creatures

    Votes: 39 5.1%

  • Yes, and they are those associated with abductions

    Votes: 19 2.5%

  • Yes, but I don't know what they'd be like

    Votes: 379 49.8%

  • Maybe

    Votes: 151 19.8%

  • No, they only exist in movies

    Votes: 47 6.2%
  • Total voters
    761
Here is what appears to be an official document released by the NSA (National Security Agency): http://www.nsa.gov/public_info/_files/ufo/key_to_et_messages.pdf

It discusses decryption and analysis of extraterrestrial signals. This may be tantamount to an official acknowledgment that the US admits to an alien intelligence.

There is no indication that the alien intelligence implied in this story is organic, or inorganic. There is no guarantee or confirmation that it exists at all.

Make of it what you will.


Respectfully submitted,
Dotini
 
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Occasionally we hear of that sub-species of weird phenomena known as the BVM, or Marian apparition. Witnesses will claim to see or receive messages from the Virgin Mary. The most famous of these occurred at Fatima, Portugal, over a period of 9 months in 1917, said to have been witnessed by 70,000 people. Does the the video below give us a peek at this sort of event?

http://www.goddiscussion.com/59963/...n-seen-in-ivory-coast-virgin-mary-apparition/

In my opinion this can be best explained as an unusual meteorological occurrence or electrical eccentricity. Energetic plasma particles are sometimes flared and launched from the sun and get through Earth's protective magnetosphere, organized into bubbles, cylinders or rope-like structures.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2008/30oct_ftes/

Strong magnetic fields attendant to glowing discharges of plasma can not only produce shimmering apparitions but also affect the consciousness of nearby percipients.

It is greatly preferred that explanation of apparently religious or alien events be accomplished to the greatest extent possible by the use of natural processes and the discoveries of science.

Respectfully submitted,
Dotini
 
AMCNUT
I just hope that if/when we find sentient life that they are benevolent... and I sure as 🤬 don't want 'em finding us! I have a feeling that if that were to play out it would not go well for the human race!:scared: As stated above, if they have the technology to boot across the cosmos to earth without thinking twice about it, they probably also have the technology to completely obliterate us if they wanted to....
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When the alien is found it's not going to be the weird eyed creature you picture ready to probe you.

 
Aliens.. I believe in them because of statistical probability, most other things associated with Aliens are all possible, given that pretty much everything people have said they are/would do etc.. are all things that can be seen in human nature. We are a diverse race... I'm sure aliens would be too.

I also believe they would be roughly humanoid. Many creatures on earth evolved with similar numbers and configuration of limbs, and typically the sensory bits are on the head (close to the brain). We may not be the most robust creatures on the planet, but our form has made us very capable and adaptable.. I think it would be true that similar evolutionary processes would take place on other worlds.

Not going to lie to you though.. when they come, they better come in peace... pretty sure we'd get our butts kicked... Will Smith or no Will Smith.....
 
Here is the energyzoa hypothesis (ETZH)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Cyberguru/etzh
"Could it be, that some of the orbital extraterrestrials are indeed some kind of plankton like energy creatures, with the difference of relative size and makeup. What if they are not flying saucers or mechanical spacecrafts flying in hyperspace, but in fact "primitive" energy beings gathering around an energy source - Planet Earth. As small and tiny the plankton may seem to us, as big and giant these orbs and disks may seem also. Giant they may seem, in fact these lifeforms may easily be different kinds of cosmic planktons of space.

These creatures are made up of pure energy, thus not biological in their makeup."

"Some of the imagery of space phenomena discovered by Martyn Stubbs and David Sereda, clearly resembles some of the imagery of the microscopic deep ocean life forms, known as hydrozoa.

Could it be possible that the ufo orbs and lights are indeed new lifeforms very much like the hydrozoa of the deep oceans? Is it possible that such creatures actually exist? Well, lets bare in mind that new species are being discovered in the oceans regularly. So it is entirely possible that some unknown species of insect or other animal may somehow survive in the upper atmosphere. But is it likely?

This possibility was considered by the US Air Intel, as it was mentioned in "Project Saucer" a digest of Project Sign released 27 April 1949, stating that the objects appeared to act more like animals than anything else, and that the airmen involved in the incidents expressed the feeling that they were living organisms.

Further, one of Project Blue Book "Unknowns" describes the object(s) as being "Amoeba like": 208. Sept. 23, 1948; San Pablo, California. 12 noon. Witnesses: Sylvester Bentham and retired U.S. Army Col. Horace Eakins. Two objects: one, a buff or grey rectangle with vertical lines; the other a translucent "amoeba" with a dark spot near the center. The arms of the "amoeba" undulated. Both objects traveled very fast.

This mysterious aerial phenomena was also referred to as Foo Fighter during World War II.

In other reports during and after the War, the witnesses often describe the object or object's behavior or flight as resembling a flock of birds or a swarm of bee's. It should be noted that when allied aircraft were equipped with the H2S 10-centimetre radar, the Foo Fighter reports increased.

Now, when dealing in conjecture anything is possible. These biological UFO's live in the atmosphere. By the same token, given the reports of Undersea Objects, is it not possible that the creatures actually dwell in the sea, most of the time? As life began in the sea, why should some form of intelligent or semi-intelligent life not have evolved in, and remained in the Sea?

Two points are worthy of note: the first is the incredible speed attributed to these objects, the second being the objects ability to change color as it accelerates / decelerates. Several species of Cephalopod (Squids etc) can accelerate at considerable speed and also change color as camouflage. The Humbolt Squid when angered changes color from placid white to red. Several UFO reports state the object changing color from red to white.

If you observe their behavior and movement it is obvious that they act just like the microorganisms of our biological sphere. It's beautifuly portrayed in the first few minutes of Martyn Stubb's film "The Secret NASA Transmissions"[5] as well as David Sereda's film "Evidence: The Case for NASA UFOs".[6]

If one observes the filmed phenomenon from the extraterrestrial energyzoa hypothesis perspective, it is easy to come to some logical explanations for the phenomena."
 
Cool theory. Others suggest transforming UFO's could be demonic in nature, disguising themselfes as flying "machines", others say they are hyperdimensional "ships of light", whatever that means.
 
First of all, the "UFO" that exist, if any, would be some kind of bacteria or organism, that is unknown for us on earth. I dont belive all this bs alien flying saucer things. Everything that cant be explained is either UFO or alien, for example people that dont have green cards in US, can be illegal aliens. If i would come to US i would be a alien, because my looks and mentality is different for what you are used to.
 
^ In this context, "alien" means a lifeform that came from outside our planet.
 
I'm 98% sure that there are aliens amongst the universe. However, I'll truly believe it when I see it so I picked the maybe option.
 
What follows may be explained as some kind of mistake or hoax, I don't know.

"Here is a video of a weird anomaly found on Mars using Google Mars. Some are already speculating that it could possibly be some type of Mars space station or even a possible power station of some kind. David Martines an armchair astronaut discovered the weird anomaly and posted his findings along with coordinates for fellow explorers can discover it for themselves. Martines says he found the object purely by accident at the following coordinates 71 49’19.73″N 29 33’06.53″W. The object is not like mountains or any other surface features and seem to possibly have red and blue stripes on it. Martines says according to his calculations the object is very large measuring approx 700 ft long and 150ft wide. This could possibly be some type of secret NASA project or possibly some type of alien formation. Martines has nicknamed the object Bio Station Alpha."

Here is the video:http://sightingufo.com/possible-mars-space-station-located-using-google-mars
 
Dotini
What follows may be explained as some kind of mistake or hoax, I don't know.

"Here is a video of a weird anomaly found on Mars using Google Mars. Some are already speculating that it could possibly be some type of Mars space station or even a possible power station of some kind. David Martines an armchair astronaut discovered the weird anomaly and posted his findings along with coordinates for fellow explorers can discover it for themselves. Martines says he found the object purely by accident at the following coordinates 71 49’19.73″N 29 33’06.53″W. The object is not like mountains or any other surface features and seem to possibly have red and blue stripes on it. Martines says according to his calculations the object is very large measuring approx 700 ft long and 150ft wide. This could possibly be some type of secret NASA project or possibly some type of alien formation. Martines has nicknamed the object Bio Station Alpha."

Here is the video:http://sightingufo.com/possible-mars-space-station-located-using-google-mars
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That is very interesting.
 
I imagine any satellites orbiting Mars have now been programmed to focus on this spot. For all we know it could be made by Martians, I have sometimes suspected their could be an underground civilisation on Mars, though their has been no evidence of doors or cave entrances going anywhere. Though this image has always been intruiging to me:

mars-bigfoot.jpg


Martian Bigfoot? Or just a funny shaped rock?
 
A lot of our members and staff here at GTP are of the Scottish persuasion. For their amusement I link this charming and homey little video which notes that Bonnybridge may be the UFO capital of the world.

On a side note, I'd like to ask if any of our members have personally investigated the so-called "vitrified forts" of Scotland, and if so, if they came to any conclusions as to their origins?

http://programmes.stv.tv/the-hour/h...thing-strange-is-going-on-in-scotlands-skies/

Respectfully submitted,
Dotini
 
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Dotini
Earth Not From Same Nubula as Sun: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110623145430.htm, http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/43513975/ns/technology_and_science-space/

This is either a hoax or colossal blunder from NASA, or it is the most disturbing news I've had all week.
Apparently, we are cosmic orphans, adrift in an alien solar system! WE ARE THE ALIENS:crazy:
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If accurate, I don't get why its so disturbing. It changes nothing about what we know of Earth from the last few billion years. Its the equivalent of finding out your family tree is inaccurate because your great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather was adopted.

Even if the theory this data points to is incorrect I wouldn't call it a colossal blunder either. It just means that there is some part of solar system formation that we don't understand. If I read it correctly this also affects the moon and Mars. Just beyond Mars is an asteroid belt. If the asteroid belt is the result of objects colliding perhaps one is extra-solar or had a vary large orbit and then the events that created the asteroid belt also affected Earth and Mars, or even created them. Jupiter, despite also being in the proximity is unaffected either because it is further away from the sun (gravity would cause things to be more affected toward the sun) or its mass is large enough that it is undetectable.

Those are just my initial musings. My amateur mind can come up with hundreds of theories, most of which would be ruled out by information I do not possess, and many of them do not include Earth being an orphan. However, the current data points to some form of the NASA theory being the most likely. At the end of the day my life is unaffected. We never knew how Earth formed to begin with. So long as we don't get the Pluto treatment I don't care.
 
FoolKiller
At the end of the day my life is unaffected.
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Thanks for all those good and excellent points, Foolkiller. I especially approve of this one about how our lives are almost entirely unaffected by what goes on "out there" - at the level of other stars, galaxies, filaments, universal boundaries and origins. In the realm of astronomy, really only the sun, moon and occasional stray rock affects our quotidian existence in any recognizable way.

Even so, it is usual to think of ourselves - and Earth - as part of a family of sun and planets that arose in a logical, understandable and predictable way that mirrors our understanding of the natural world and our place in it.

But if elements of anomaly and unknown processes are introduced into our worldview by new science and/or physics, then a certain sense of complexity and randomness is introduced into our otherwise stable mental picture of Earth and the solar system. It is only in this sense of new doubt or ambiguity that I used the term "disturbing" to characterize news from NASA that challenges previous more comfortable assumptions. I don't really think we are orphans, adrift, or alien. It's just that we are often less well-informed than we at first assume.

Respectfully yours,
Dotini
 
In the event that aliens are discovered, how will people here on old Earth take to the news?

If the alien's we come across have a society, how will our society adapt/cope/understand it?

Will the best of our intentions come out, in the form of mutual respect, studying each other, and advancing each other?

Or will the worst of our intentions come out, in the form of greed, exploitation, and manupilation?

It's not the question of do alien's exist that fascinates me, but it's the question of how will our society deal with the new "stranger" on the block.
 
Hm, depends how THEY actually are, if they're that what our bible describes as "Angels", our "good" side my even show, but if they're not much different from us in behaviour, our "bad" side will definately win.
 
sumbrownkid
In the event that aliens are discovered, how will people here on old Earth take to the news?
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This is a good question that is often asked. Back at the beginning of the space-age about 50 or so years ago, NASA, as part of embarking on it's ambitious voyages of discovery to the planets, commissioned the prestigious Brookings Institution to make a scholarly and scientific assessment of just this question.

They came to the conclusion that if Americans were to unambiguously come into contact with advanced alien life, then we would likely be very adversely affected. This is the SAME THING as what has happened with many primitive and isolated tribal cultures when and as they came into contact with advanced European and Americans spreading across the globe in ships and airplanes to war, explore, conquer and convert.

Now if that assessment has fundamentally changed in 50 years of "advancing" education, culture and technology, I cannot say with any degree of confidence. But I would doubt it.

Respectfully yours,
Dotini
 
^It's interesting to note that in our history, one society conquered and dominated others because they were more powerful than their neighbors.

If the alien society turns out be just as, if not more, advanced as ours, I think most people would think twice about trying to dominate them.

See America today as an example. We wouldn't dare try to step a foot in Iran, Russia, China, or India but we wouldn't lack any confidence in daring to step feet in Afghanistan or any other 3rd world country.

Alex p.
Hm, depends how THEY actually are, if they're that what our bible describes as "Angels", our "good" side my even show, but if they're not much different from us in behaviour, our "bad" side will definately win.
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If they are indeed Angels as described in the good books, I think our fear, rather than adoration of them that will force out our good side more often than not.
 

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