America - The Problems

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Rob Shcneider (sp??) said something along the lines of "September 11 was a good excuse for america to stop being the worlds bully" Not his exact words though, I may have got the quote wrong. But I agree with him. America shouldn't be the worlds police, is that not what the UN is for?

If all you're going to tell me is "I'm sick of all this America/War/Saddam bull****, then don't, you choose whether too come into this thread in the first place.
 
I thought I was done, but not quite. Do you think that Bush was sitting in his chair, sipping on his coffee, thinking....

"hummm..., these gas prices could be a lot lower if we just sent in our troups....., sons, daughters, fathers, and mothers and sacrifice their lives and effect the lives of millions to save a few bucks. Yeah, that's what I'll do. Oh looky here, the twin towers are gone, now I have an excuse to finish what my dad started and get gas prices reduced. It's only gonna cost some lives...."

I highly doubt it. Common sence would tell you otherwise. Bush launched this campaign under the jurisdiction of the UN with support of over 40 countries. And believe me, this would not be a easy decision for anyone.
 
ALPHA, have you been listening to that tosser Bomber on Channel Z last night?
That fat **** needs to STFU

BTW, I would rather trust Bush with weapons of mass destruction than Suddam
 
Originally posted by HRT_Maloo
ALPHA, have you been listening to that tosser Bomber on Channel Z last night?
That fat **** needs to STFU
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Bomber is a stoner, don't listen to him, he is only good for laughs.
We don't have Channel Z here anymore, we got The Edge, :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, that ****ing greenie is only good to laugh at

Im listening to the rock, no black music or **** like Avril Lavine and Nic and Rodg in the morning :lol:
 
Originally posted by Viper Zero
Maybe because we're the only ones trying to do something in this world.
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TRANSLATION: Bushy Boy needs a war so that people (in his opinion) have something to recognise him by when he is 81 and crippled.
 
Originally posted by ALPHA
Obviously I have been bummed out so I will shut my mouth.



The country I live isn't perfect - did I hint that NZ was better than America, if you feel that that was the meaning of the connatation it was purely unintentional and not what I think.

The one thing I really meant was that Bush, and other presidents are not as mentally equiped as they should be and shouldn't be able to start a war without enough support from the UN.

Now nothing is going to be done about it because the US is such a 'superpower' and everybdoy else is powerless.

If the world were to vote on this matter would more people be in favour of the war?
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If you recall we tried that and alot of the countries that approved with the agreement 12 years ago backed out on their word.(got cold feet). Besides, why do we need anyones approval to protect our interest and our safety?
 
Ahh, the day that <all World Leaders involved in the war> go to jail for war crimes against Iraq, ie going in without UN backing, will be a very happy day for the world indeed. *Bliss*
 
Originally posted by SandStorm
Ahh, the day that <all World Leaders involved in the war> go to jail for war crimes against Iraq, ie going in without UN backing, will be a very happy day for the world indeed. *Bliss*
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Grow up. No one cares about your attempt to piss people off.
 
And that's what makes it worse? ;)

Actually, I'm only hoping the Aussie Prime Minister goes to jail, the others are fine.
 
Hoo boy. I have to say that I have no resentment against any particular country, although some definitely have a self righteous attitude in general and it just so happens to be directed toward the U.S. right now.

NEWSFLASH: If you life in an English speaking country, or even a white/European country, and you're not in Europe you owe your national soverignty to oppression and genoocide. Get over yourselves, hypocrites.

If 100,000 anti war protesters take to the streets in a city of 12 million, it looks like all of America (or France, Britain, Germany, etc.) is against Bush. The other 11,900,000 people are going about their business as best they can, talking about the stupid protesters tearing up their own cities.

I saw a nice protest sign over the weekend: "war is terrorism with a bigger budget." . . . :rolleyes: . . . do I need to refute that? Okay then I will. Terrorism is when, all of a sudden like, out of nowhere, some person blows up in a resturaunt, and takes everybody with them... or maybe on a bus, or in a plane. Another example would be hijacking a plane and flying it into a building, taking all the passengers for their last ride. WAR is when a sadistic regime that's into mass murder, brutal oppression, attacking it's neighbors as a hobby, etc., is warned for 13 years to cut it out while they lie and refuse to, gets it's political and military infrastructure annihilated. Big budget? Yes. Terrorism? Hardly.

America is a benefit to the world at large. This is just a fact. Is America the only beneficial country? Nope.

America's power comes at a price. Everybody always simultaneously resents and wants to be like the biggest coolest kid on the block. Everybody wants to be seen with him but they also gossip about him because it soothes their egos. Meh... nothing surprising here. So piss and moan away, less powerful English speaking countries. It amounts to nothing more than predictable schoolyard antics.

I wish Japan would stop killing dolphins and sharks.

I wish China and Indonesia would stop eating dog.
 
Thank you Milefile.
Has anyone been watching the news? Seems that the citizens of Iraq are cheering our troops as they ride in.
I also saw on CNN I believe a Kurdish family who had named their son Dick Cheney 9 years ago and they are expecting another baby soon and are naming him George Bush. This is a far cry from what the anti-war movement wants to believe. They want you to believe that the Iraqi people are happy and safe and see our forces as invaders and terrorist on their happy home.
Instead of standing out in the streets and acting like you know what the hell they are talking about maybe they should take a few minutes and listen th the liberated Iraq citizens. They are happy we are there.
As for M. Moore on the award show last night.Shame on you for acting like you speak for the majority. He is proof that crap really does float to the top.
 
Originally posted by milefile
Terrorism is when, all of a sudden like, out of nowhere, some person blows up in a resturaunt, and takes everybody with them... or maybe on a bus, or in a plane. Another example would be hijacking a plane and flying it into a building, taking all the passengers for their last ride.
America is a benefit to the world at large. This is just a fact. Is America the only beneficial country? Nope.

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Terrorism in actual fact means to use violence too gain religious or political revolution. So Milefile the sign is correct
 
Originally posted by DGB454
Thank you Milefile.
Has anyone been watching the news? Seems that the citizens of Iraq are cheering our troops as they ride in.
I also saw on CNN I believe a Kurdish family who had named their son Dick Cheney 9 years ago and they are expecting another baby soon and are naming him George Bush. This is a far cry from what the anti-war movement wants to believe. They want you to believe that the Iraqi people are happy and safe and see our forces as invaders and terrorist on their happy home.
Instead of standing out in the streets and acting like you know what the hell they are talking about maybe they should take a few minutes and listen th the liberated Iraq citizens. They are happy we are there.
As for M. Moore on the award show last night.Shame on you for acting like you speak for the majority. He is proof that crap really does float to the top.
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you haven't seen then that majority of people who have been talking to Sky news over the Iraq war said "no we don't want bush attacking our country" and secondary school children holding guns and having dug-outs just outside their school prepared for battle
 
No. It's not. If you want to resort to technical formailities simply to ensure a particular viewpoint is favored, go right ahead. I find it more effective and simple to just know the difference.

So according to you all war is terrorism. The war on terrorism is terrorism. The war in Iraq is terrorism. Your war in Northern Ireland is terrorism. The Falklands? Panama? Kosovo? Rwanda?
 
war is just another way of saying battle or fight

come on Milefile what do you hope to acheive is regime change that is what this war about isn't it and far as that goes its political and ANY kind of violence that occurs for a political or religious or even economical revolution is terrorism
 
Definitions for keeno_uk:

War
1 a (1) : a state of usually open and declared armed hostile conflict between states or nations (2) : a period of such armed conflict (3) : STATE OF WAR b : the art or science of warfare c (1) obsolete : weapons and equipment for war (2) archaic : soldiers armed and equipped for war
2 a : a state of hostility, conflict, or antagonism b : a struggle or competition between opposing forces or for a particular end <a class war> <a war against disease> c : VARIANCE, ODDS 3
- war·less /-l&s/ adjective

Terrorism
Pronunciation: 'ter-&r-"i-z&m
Function: noun
Date: 1795
: the systematic use of terror especially as a means of coercion
- ter·ror·ist /-&r-ist/ adjective or noun
- ter·ror·is·tic /"ter-&r-'is-tik/ adjective

Terror
1 : a state of intense fear
2 a : one that inspires fear : SCOURGE b : a frightening aspect <the terrors of invasion> c : a cause of anxiety : WORRY d : an appalling person or thing; especially : BRAT
3 : REIGN OF TERROR
4 : violence (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>
 
Originally posted by milefile
Your war in Northern Ireland is terrorism.
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yes our war with Northern Ireland of course we have a war in Northen Ireland. :rolleyes: Sinn Fein is a terrorist group demanding that Northen Ireland should be returned to the Rep. of Ireland and that the Prodestants would leave the country thats why we have riots and terrorist bomb attacks in Northen Ireland and in central london aswell. But now there is peace at last and the peace process is starting again
 
Keeno_uk:

My point should be pretty self evident. I presented the definitions of both “war” and “terrorism” so that you could discern the differences between the two. The point was to provide you with the tools necessary to learn for yourself the differences between the two. If you need a further explanation, I will be more than happy to try my best at explaining the differences.
 
Okay then you have just explained what you do to start a war NOW what are the reason's Behind evey war I garuntee its poltical or religious or econimic
 
Originally posted by keeno_uk
yes our war with Northern Ireland of course we have a war in Northen Ireland. :rolleyes: Sinn Fein is a terrorist group demanding that Northen Ireland should be returned to the Rep. of Ireland and that the Prodestants would leave the country thats why we have riots and terrorist bomb attacks in Northen Ireland and in central london aswell. But now there is peace at last and the peace process is starting again
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I'm not sure what the roll eyes smiley is supposed to communicate, but you, and everybody who has a knee-jerk reaction against this war, seem to ignore historical perspective every chance you get. No need to get into the history of Britain and Ireland, which is, I know, is a sore subject for such a haughtily psuedo-liberal country like England. I have had children from Belfast and Derry live in my house. I know what has gone on and what is going on there. It's sad to see them spread out on a wall when they see a cop (we have to explain that these are not British troops or Protestant police), or afraid to walk down a street who's curbs were painted red, white and blue for the 4th of July because they think it's a British Protestant area (yes, I know some Protestants, too). We have to explain that these are not British troops or Protestant police.

Iraq's regime knew well in advance what was coming for them. They had ample chance to avoid it by following any one of the 15+ resolutions over the past 13 years. If this war was a surprise attack or unprovoked you're argument might hold water. If a handfull of Americans hijacked a couple planes and crashed them into civilian targets to send Saddam a message, that would be terrorism. If the coalition forces murdered 100,000 civilians with chemical weapons (like Saddam did), that would be terrorism.

And this is the second time. Molosovic was the turning point. Endanger the world, attack your neighbors, kill your own people and you're done. End of story. Eventually nobody will even want to try.

Iraq's conduct during this was proves who has the moral high ground, unequivocally.
 
Originally posted by keeno_uk
Oh and Coercion means forceful change and the force is.............................violence
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Violence...

Does anyone really believe there will ever be a world devoid of violence? That mentality is the same mentality that sues McDonalds over a hot coffee. They want that there will be no risk in life, that diplomacy will do all the work and make the world safe, and it can, but not always. War is part of what human's do.

I love when people throw the word "violence" around like it's automatically someone's fault and something that can be eradicated.
 

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